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Nelson Mandingo posted:I'm honestly in awe of these magic declassification powers. If you dream about sharing nuclear state secrets, are they declassified? if a president dreams of declassifying state secrets and people use dream espionage to steal the now declassified secret, it's legally not espionage.
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Cranappleberry posted:if a president dreams of declassifying state secrets and people use dream espionage to steal the now declassified secret, it's legally not espionage. Is this what the song Dream Police was all about?
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 15:45 |
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IPlayVideoGames posted:It must be really stressful to be president when a random errant thought can declassify all of the nation’s secrets. What if everything was already declassified because at some point some president thought about it for for a split second but just never told anyone? Digging up Grover Cleveland to see if his corpse may have declassified anything
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 15:52 |
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Tayter Swift posted:Digging up Grover Cleveland to see if his corpse may have declassified anything He did, on two non-consecutive occasions.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 15:56 |
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Cranappleberry posted:if a president dreams of declassifying state secrets and people use dream espionage to steal the now declassified secret, it's legally not espionage. Those dang Beagle Boys, stealing nuclear secrets left and right!
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 15:57 |
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I would just love it if Obama responded to that by saying "Oh, did I forget to mention I had declassified everything sent to Hillary's email" and just watching all of the chudosphere explode as they try to argue that a president can't just unilaterally declassify everything while also arguing that the president can unilaterally declassify everything.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 15:59 |
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Look, we all know most presidents think about declassification every seven seconds
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 15:59 |
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evilweasel posted:the government cannot prosecute anyone for any crime involving classified material without the testimony of each and every president that was in office since the document was created that they never thought about declassifying it Ah the tried and true strategy of declassifiersayswhat?
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:06 |
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Poor president, thought about declassification and died
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:08 |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1572944058716135426 Some House GOP member strategy presentation slides have leaked. Ignoring the absolutely dire deck construction, it's an interesting blend of high on their own supply ("save and strengthen", "stop companies from putting politics in front of people", "protect the lives of unborn children and their mothers") and "jesus christ please stop giving up the game in tweets and interviews" ("ensure polls 30% better than banning", "increase accountability in the election process")
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:09 |
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drat, Bill has been sitting on this superpower and has never intervened to prevent his wife gettin' Locked Up
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:10 |
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Randalor posted:I would just love it if Obama responded to that by saying "Oh, did I forget to mention I had declassified everything sent to Hillary's email" and just watching all of the chudosphere explode as they try to argue that a president can't just unilaterally declassify everything while also arguing that the president can unilaterally declassify everything. No, they would just use that info in the most useful way possible for them. Getting you offended by their contradictions is a feature in their ideology, not a bug.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:14 |
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Donny big mac has his dump truck rear end in full effect in that Hannity interview.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:16 |
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evilweasel posted:the government cannot prosecute anyone for any crime involving classified material without the testimony of each and every president that was in office since the document was created that they never thought about declassifying it it's like playing The Game: Presidential Edition! which all of you just lost
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:17 |
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Paracaidas posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1572944058716135426 I can just imagine the consultant trying to explain that people love it when you allow them to do psycho poo poo but they hate it when you actually look psycho.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:25 |
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Automata 10 Pack posted:No, they would just use that info in the most useful way possible for them. Getting you offended by their contradictions is a feature in their ideology, not a bug. I know it invites dispute, but I agree with the posters that say hypocrisy doesn't really matter in reality and this includes justices ruling on which laws/rights apply and to whom.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 16:29 |
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I kind of wish Donny would have proven his statement by blurting out some some highly classified material on the show. "Area 51 exists and these are the exact co-ordinates and there aren't any aliens there but we are developing weapons that would liquify peoples eyeballs using this technology some guy named Robert Jones, who lives in Manhattan, New York and likes to walk his dog around central park between the hours of 7 and 9 am every sunday, discovered. See, highly classified material that I just declassified it because I can. Easy as that. Also the code for the nuclear briefcase is 1111. See. Declassified"
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 17:06 |
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Madkal posted:I kind of wish Donny would have proven his statement by blurting out some some highly classified material on the show. He's not going to do anything like that, because he's well aware that this declassification bullshit is just bullshit. It's fun to make fun of, but don't get too caught up and forget that this is just bullshit he's hurling out there for the most deluded parts of his base. Granted, it's always hard to tell when Trump's just bullshitting vs when he legit believes the nonsense that comes out of his mouth. But if he thought what he did was perfectly legal and in the right, he wouldn't have gone through so much trouble to hide the documents from the government in the first place.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 17:24 |
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Main Paineframe posted:He's not going to do anything like that, because he's well aware that this declassification bullshit is just bullshit. It's fun to make fun of, but don't get too caught up and forget that this is just bullshit he's hurling out there for the most deluded parts of his base. Also that information isn't worth anything if he just blurts it out.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 17:51 |
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Main Paineframe posted:He's not going to do anything like that, because he's well aware that this declassification bullshit is just bullshit. It's fun to make fun of, but don't get too caught up and forget that this is just bullshit he's hurling out there for the most deluded parts of his base. All court filings to date have been absolutely meticulous about not making this argument. It would go so, so badly if they even tried. It's just slop for the squealing hogs that are his base.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 17:51 |
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bird food bathtub posted:All court filings to date have been absolutely meticulous about not making this argument. It would go so, so badly if they even tried. Notably, Trump's filings to date have included only attorney argument, and not any affidavits or other evidence. One of the things that Andrew Torres of Opening Arguments has pointed out is how completely unprecedented that is - that you are typically not allowed to get an injunction without putting your allegations into evidence.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 17:55 |
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bird food bathtub posted:All court filings to date have been absolutely meticulous about not making this argument. It would go so, so badly if they even tried. also, lawyers have a lot of leeway in arguing stuff they do not personally believe to be true to a court. they have much less leeway about arguing things they know not to be true.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 17:56 |
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The expected planeload of migrants from Texas to Delaware ended up never happening, with anonymous sources telling reporters that DeSantis leaked fake info on purpose to "punk" the media. One issue for that narrative, though, is that DeSantis's people did round up another group of asylum-seekers to send to Delaware. Those people were gathered at a hotel, only to be abruptly told on the morning of the supposed flight that the whole thing was canceled and there would be no flight. Just to really add an extra dose of cruelty to it, only about half the group were bused back to be unceremoniously the migrant resource center where they'd been picked up. The rest were just straight-up abandoned at the hotel, stranded ten miles from the resource center with no transportation to get back. https://twitter.com/Blaskey_S/status/1572768393475883009
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Madkal posted:I kind of wish Donny would have proven his statement by blurting out some some highly classified material on the show. You just know Trump reset that code to 12345.
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Main Paineframe posted:The expected planeload of migrants from Texas to Delaware ended up never happening, with anonymous sources telling reporters that DeSantis leaked fake info on purpose to "punk" the media. DeSantis and his entire administration belong in Gitmo.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 19:20 |
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Seems like there was an enormous amount of fraud with the CARES Act and the early days of the pandemic. Some of it was probably worth it as just the cost of getting all of it out as fast as possible, but still pretty staggering. Current estimates are: - $76.1 billion in PPP fraud. - $46.5 billion in unemployment fraud. - $661.5 million in food assistance fraud. - (Debatable whether this is technically fraud or not since there weren't explicit restrictions on how states could use it, but...) Roughly $80 billion in aid to state governments/local governments/schools was used for funding projects or hiring staff that they needed before the pandemic and was not covid-related. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1573009447454412800 quote:U.S. watchdog estimates $45.6 billion in pandemic unemployment fraud
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 19:29 |
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I guarantee 100:1 odds that while trump says he declassified all these documents that he absolutely, without a doubt, doesn’t actually know what’s in a single one of them. His lawyer has been arguing over and over that he, “can’t come to trump’s defense unless he sees the documents first.” Lawyer, “what’s in the documents that’s so important?” Trump, “I have no idea. I don’t read documents. But they’re declassified.” Trump is not a source of reliable information for his own defense. It’s hilarious how bad a position he’s put himself in over these drat things.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Seems like there was an enormous amount of fraud with the CARES Act and the early days of the pandemic. The $12 million Florida set aside for actions like the Martha's Vineyard airlift came from Federal COVID funds.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 19:53 |
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Blind Rasputin posted:I guarantee 100:1 odds that while trump says he declassified all these documents that he absolutely, without a doubt, doesn’t actually know what’s in a single one of them. His lawyer has been arguing over and over that he, “can’t come to trump’s defense unless he sees the documents first.” I know "Trump doesn't read anything" is a common belief, but in this case, some of the documents had Trump's handwriting on the margins. So not only did he read them, he took notes.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 19:54 |
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Reminder that Trump loves documents so much that he would often print tweets
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 20:02 |
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Main Paineframe posted:The expected planeload of migrants from Texas to Delaware ended up never happening, with anonymous sources telling reporters that DeSantis leaked fake info on purpose to "punk" the media. It's a Rule of Cruel that you are also incompetent at the end of the day, I guess.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 20:04 |
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Blind Rasputin posted:I guarantee 100:1 odds that while trump says he declassified all these documents that he absolutely, without a doubt, doesn’t actually know what’s in a single one of them. His lawyer has been arguing over and over that he, “can’t come to trump’s defense unless he sees the documents first.” He almost certainly knows what's in them. You don't get these documents without knowing exactly what is in them.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 20:22 |
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Jaxyon posted:He almost certainly knows what's in them. You don't get these documents without knowing exactly what is in them. Counterpoint: Trump never pays attention to anything that's not directly about himself, gets bored when required to read more than a one-page list of bullet points, and only listens to what he wants to hear. He likely knows the broad outline of the docs, but I'd be shocked if his understanding extended much beyond "important/secret stuff including The Nuclear that I wanna keep."
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 20:25 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- (Debatable whether this is technically fraud or not since there weren't explicit restrictions on how states could use it, but...) Roughly $80 billion in aid to state governments/local governments/schools was used for funding projects or hiring staff that they needed before the pandemic and was not covid-related. I mean, at least it sounds like that money was spent on salaries and *stuff* rather than just used to cut taxes.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 20:47 |
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Trump the Jellybrained Oaf is something of an act, he's more a narcissistic sociopath. He does believe in conservative conspiracy theories, starting with virulent racism, and throws tantrums at the slightest provocation because it's historically worked for him given the idiots sucked into his orbit, but he's above all a self-dealer. This is what's scary about him having top secrets, because it's almost certainly because he thought he could turn it around for himself and gives no thought whatever to the fortunes of others. Smashing and taking is his thing, even if the plot is to receive a pittance, as this is all a carny grifter is used to. Trump steaks and tax breaks and marginal profits on a never-ending series of boondoggle projects, whether they are buildings or social media that one will ever use. This is not the addle-brained dementia he displays in public as much as it is a function of his fundamentally broken personality. When you catch breaks in his logic, guess what, he's always been like that.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 20:51 |
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cgeq posted:I mean, at least it sounds like that money was spent on salaries and *stuff* rather than just used to cut taxes. Several states are currently being sued or are suing the federal government over the ability to use the money for tax cuts. Florida already did to cut business taxes and the gas tax. Texas and several others haven't done it yet, but are still holding onto the money and keeping it unspent while they sue to use it for tax cuts. https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/07/05/republicans-tax-cuts-stimulus/
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 20:51 |
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This Bloomberg article from yesterday deep dives into Twitch as a platform for Child Predators and groomers. https://twitter.com/cecianasta/status/1572550288699191296?s=46&t=hEV0IuKodnf3zh8o6ynVwA One day later, Matt Gaetz announces he is joining Twitch. https://twitter.com/repmattgaetz/status/1573014879895965696?s=46&t=hEV0IuKodnf3zh8o6ynVwA
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 20:57 |
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I will never understand why Gaetz thinks that's the most flattering photo of him.
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# ? Sep 22, 2022 21:33 |
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Jaxyon posted:He almost certainly knows what's in them. You don't get these documents without knowing exactly what is in them. Or who might be interested enough to pay for what is on them.
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Tayter Swift posted:I will never understand why Gaetz thinks that's the most flattering photo of him. The angle takes 10 pounds off his forehead.
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