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Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

YggdrasilTM posted:

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:19

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# ? Jun 1, 2024 00:35

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

Captain Invictus posted:

I have never seen Phil Foglio in the flesh but, somehow, he is precisely how I imagined he would be

it's wild to me that "the guy who drew the extremely horny comic strip in Dragon magazine" is both still alive and working

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:38

YggdrasilTM: Nov 7, 2011

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:46

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

what

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:47

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Captain Invictus posted:

what

tap now, pay later.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:49

Framboise: Sep 21, 2014; To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.; Lipstick Apathy

YggdrasilTM posted:

add 2 taps to your tap pool. I love it!

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:49

Devor: Nov 30, 2004; Lurking more.

YggdrasilTM posted:

This must require the thing using the Tap to be untapped, otherwise this just goes infinite to make infinite taps

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:53

YggdrasilTM: Nov 7, 2011

Devor posted:

This must require the thing using the Tap to be untapped, otherwise this just goes infinite to make infinite taps

Only once each turn. You could go infinite with two of these anyway.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:58

Simply Simon: Nov 6, 2010; 📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

Devor posted:

This must require the thing using the Tap to be untapped, otherwise this just goes infinite to make infinite taps

Did you miss the "once per turn"?

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:58

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

YggdrasilTM posted:

Only once each turn. You could go infinite with two of these anyway.

You could?

# ? Sep 23, 2022 14:58

Simply Simon: Nov 6, 2010; 📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

Each of the two can only activate once. Please

# ? Sep 23, 2022 15:03

YggdrasilTM: Nov 7, 2011

If you could activate them more than once, the hypothetical "must be untapped" clause would not be enough. You could tap the first one and do an infinite loop with the second one.

Since it's once per turn, there are no problems.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 15:07

Devor: Nov 30, 2004; Lurking more.

Simply Simon posted:

Did you miss the "once per turn"?

Yep

# ? Sep 23, 2022 15:07

Framboise: Sep 21, 2014; To make yourself feel better, you make it so you'll never give in to your forevers and live for always.; Lipstick Apathy

Honestly that's one that I do feel like could be a black border card if it was just worded differently. Something like...

T: You may activate an ability of a permanent that has T in the activation cost without tapping that permanent two times this turn (You may choose a different permanent for the second activation). (This ability may only be activated once each turn.)

# ? Sep 23, 2022 15:18

dragon enthusiast: Jan 1, 2010

Framboise posted:

Honestly that's one that I do feel like could be a black border card if it was just worded differently. Something like...

T: You may activate an ability of a permanent that has T in the activation cost without tapping that permanent two times this turn (You may choose a different permanent for the second activation). (This ability may only be activated once each turn.)

I think this is one of those cases like animate dead where the printed version is incredibly easy to understand and cleaner even if it doesn't really quite work under magic rules

# ? Sep 23, 2022 15:26

Aphrodite: Jun 27, 2006

There's a few like that, where the effect could work under the rules but it's acorn because there was a funnier way of writing it.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 15:27

ilmucche: Mar 16, 2016; What did you say the strategy was?

Question for the rules folks, how do poxwalkers and cabal therapy work? Does the spell cost get locked in (sacrifice), then poxwalkers is sacced and the spell is cast so poxwalkers can come back?

# ? Sep 23, 2022 15:59

Macdeo Lurjtux: Jul 5, 2011; BRRREADSTOOORRM!

I believe costs must be paid and complete before thebspell is cast so I believe so.

Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Sep 23, 2022

# ? Sep 23, 2022 16:13

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

ilmucche posted:

Question for the rules folks, how do poxwalkers and cabal therapy work? Does the spell cost get locked in (sacrifice), then poxwalkers is sacced and the spell is cast so poxwalkers can come back?

quote:

601.2h The player pays the total cost. First, they pay all costs that don�t involve random elements or moving objects from the library to a public zone, in any order. Then they pay all remaining costs in any order. Partial payments are not allowed. Unpayable costs can�t be paid.
Example: You cast Altar�s Reap, which costs {1}{B} and has an additional cost of sacrificing a creature. You sacrifice Thunderscape Familiar, whose effect makes your black spells cost {1} less to cast. Because a spell�s total cost is �locked in� before payments are actually made, you pay {B}, not {1}{B}, even though you�re sacrificing the Familiar.

601.2i Once the steps described in 601.2a�h are completed, effects that modify the characteristics of the spell as it�s cast are applied, then the spell becomes cast. Any abilities that trigger when a spell is cast or put onto the stack trigger at this time. If the spell�s controller had priority before casting it, they get priority.

Triggers don't trigger until after you do the steps. One of those steps is paying the cost (IE: Putting poxwalkers in the graveyard) which means poxwalkers will be in the GY and see you cast a spell, bringing itself back.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 16:20

ilmucche: Mar 16, 2016; What did you say the strategy was?

Excellent, thank you

# ? Sep 23, 2022 16:46

CatstropheWaitress: Nov 26, 2017

How on earth is that card not named 'Tap Dancer'

(yes yes, sole -> shoe -> feet -> tap, but still)

# ? Sep 23, 2022 17:28

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

The World Inferno posted:

How on earth is that card not named 'Tap Dancer'

(yes yes, sole -> shoe -> feet -> tap, but still)

Sometimes you gotta work for a joke.

I'm just glad that they didn't make another un-card that required players to take their shoes off, because that was deeply unpleasant the last time.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 17:35

fadam: Apr 23, 2008

YggdrasilTM posted:

There's a competitive CEDH deck that probably wants this lol. Magda runs a bunch of lovely vehicles to tap dwarves, and a free one seems like it might be really strong.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 18:09

YggdrasilTM: Nov 7, 2011

# ? Sep 23, 2022 18:16

Wittgen: Oct 13, 2012; We have decided to decline your offer of a butt kicking.

Wow that art nails the Zapp Brannigan energy.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 18:20

LGD: Sep 25, 2004

tbh I don't really love Rex's design from a flavor perspective as a presumed Zapp Brannigan pastiche because:

a. the crashing is what makes him interesting and a 1/6 chance to crash (absent Night Shift or similar dice manipulation) is fairly infrequent
b. by default he can't ever crash really big things when it seems those are exactly the things he should crash
c. while he has the appropriate power to crew whatever he turns into a vehicle it's doesn't need to be him piloting and potentially crashing things

# ? Sep 23, 2022 18:23

fadam: Apr 23, 2008

LGD posted:

tbh I don't really love Rex's design from a flavor perspective as a presumed Zapp Brannigan pastiche because:

a. the crashing is what makes him interesting and a 1/6 chance to crash (absent Night Shift or similar dice manipulation) is fairly infrequent
b. by default he can't ever crash really big things when it seems those are exactly the things he should crash
c. while he has the appropriate power to crew whatever he turns into a vehicle it's doesn't need to be him piloting and potentially crashing things

# ? Sep 23, 2022 18:25

Lone Goat: Apr 16, 2003; When life gives you lemons, suplex those lemons.

LGD posted:

c. while he has the appropriate power to crew whatever he turns into a vehicle it's doesn't need to be him piloting and potentially crashing things

Yeah but REX HIMSELF can be crewed as a vehicle, so in the end it all works out.

fadam posted:

lmaoooo

# ? Sep 23, 2022 18:44

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

I don't think it's supposed to be a pastiche of Zapp Brannigan, they're both pastiches of the same machismo action captain.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 18:46

Macdeo Lurjtux: Jul 5, 2011; BRRREADSTOOORRM!

YggdrasilTM posted:

"She's built like a Basalt Monolith but handles like a moxen!"

# ? Sep 23, 2022 18:52

Eikre: May 2, 2009

fadam posted:

There's a competitive CEDH deck that probably wants this lol. Magda runs a bunch of lovely vehicles to tap dwarves, and a free one seems like it might be really strong.

It wouldn't be completely shocking if a Cheerios deck materialized one day and slotted it. It gives you value for your cost reduction but it still sticks to the field if you play it for 0. Usually things that do the former are just 0/0s when you try the latter.

Of course, Cheerios is a Storm deck and probably doesn't give too much of a poo poo about some tokens. But I'm pretty sure this would all be contingent on some other unforseen enablers being printed for the deck to make the cut in Legacy, so who loving knows. Is Sram anywhere near the viability threshold in CEDH?

# ? Sep 23, 2022 19:04

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

Does your tap pool empty out like your mana pool or is it like energy

The World Inferno posted:

How on earth is that card not named 'Tap Dancer'

(yes yes, sole -> shoe -> feet -> tap, but still)

On this note, I wonder how they're localizing "Attempted Murder" and if that pun works in any other languages

# ? Sep 23, 2022 19:09

Mezzanon: Sep 16, 2003; Pillbug

Might come out of mtg retirement just to build a commander deck that is Ghyrson Starn + mana barbs + burning earth because I hate people

# ? Sep 23, 2022 19:13

SEX HAVER 40000: Aug 6, 2009; no doves fly here lol

so with the persistent tokens guy i can fart out a billion tokens then cast something like worldpurge or aetherspouts and get the world's first recorded battle of wits edh win

# ? Sep 23, 2022 19:29

Goa Tse-tung: Feb 11, 2008; ;3; Yams Fan

The World Inferno posted:

How on earth is that card not named 'Tap Dancer'

(yes yes, sole -> shoe -> feet -> tap, but still)

because 5 years ago someone already had that idea

https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagi...tent=t1_iplfx12

# ? Sep 23, 2022 19:32

Kagaya Homoraisan: Aug 28, 2019; You say, run away
Instead, you get scared
For the way that I feel
Drops out into all this disorder

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Does your tap pool empty out like your mana pool or is it like energy

On this note, I wonder how they're localizing "Attempted Murder" and if that pun works in any other languages

theyre not, this set is english only

# ? Sep 23, 2022 19:39

The Nastier Nate: May 22, 2005; All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!; Yams Fan

YggdrasilTM posted:

Arrest

now your board is dead

edit: auras you control...nvm...still can be hit with -1/-1 counters to wipe your board

President Ark posted:

this card combined with the WU lady who makes tokens cards means you can wind up in situations where you have to shuffle your phone into your deck

also with Exit Through The Grift Shop and that WU lady you can auction off your phone

has there ever been a card that copies a creature and all its counters/auras/equipment too?

# ? Sep 23, 2022 20:00

Wittgen: Oct 13, 2012; We have decided to decline your offer of a butt kicking.

The thing I would love to do with the persistent tokens guy is give them to my opponent. Then make a living weapon go in and out of their battlefield a thousand times. Then restart the game with something like karn ult.

# ? Sep 23, 2022 20:01