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Probably not relevant to anyone else ITT, and not directly connected to the current conversation, butBarry Foster posted:Highly specific-case but in case this applies to anyone else in the UK (other than me):
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Not watched the Labour Files documentary yet but it's up on YouTube for those who are interested in spiking their blood pressure to unimaginable levels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elp18OvnNV0
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Liz Truss looking to see if she can speedrun a civil uprising
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Lady Demelza posted:It's still happening! It was renamed because even the creatives didn't want to be associated with a Festival of Brexit: https://unboxed2022.uk/ https://twitter.com/julianknight15/status/1573009656217501696
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Barry Foster posted:Probably not relevant to anyone else ITT, and not directly connected to the current conversation, but One of my friends had a party on the weekend and literally everyone has been floored by covid. Not particularly gentle either, they all feel like total poo poo, shortness of breath, rashes, the works. I'm the only one who escaped, and that's probably only because I caught it a couple of months back and am still presumably swimming with antibodies.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:One of my friends had a party on the weekend and literally everyone has been floored by covid. Not particularly gentle either, they all feel like total poo poo, shortness of breath, rashes, the works. I'm the only one who escaped, and that's probably only because I caught it a couple of months back and am still presumably swimming with antibodies. It's bad, and it's only going to get worse as time goes on for under-50s as antibodies wane, and the fact that the government has no plans to roll out the booster to everyone is deeply, deeply stupid which, given the topic of the thread today, shouldn't come as a surprise but still maddening
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Scientastic posted:The BBC just had some loving mouthpiece for the Institute for Economic Affairs, talking about supply side benefits to the tax cuts. Not just the obvious reason. One of the reason you always see some oval office from then, Adam Smith Institute or Taxpayers Alliance is because they are so well funded by rich cunts who resent having to pay even a solitary penny in taxation they can afford to keep people on call whose job is to go on TV and spout their rotten ideology at a seconds notice. TV producers know that and love it because it means it makes their job of filling air time easier. Which means they they are the first name on the rolodex when you need someone now to sound authoritative. It sucks rear end. Can only do it because these organisations are loaded with cash
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If I remember rightly the main figures behind Taxpayers Alliance aren't domiciled in the UK and so pay no tax at all.
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namesake posted:If I remember rightly the main figures behind Taxpayers Alliance aren't domiciled in the UK and so pay no tax at all. The great joke is that we don't know unless the donors tell us because they don't have to declare their donors publicly. One of the least transparent think tanks in the country, alongside ASI & IEA. As well as Policy Exchange & Centre for Policy Studies. Weird that all the right wing thing tanks are as transparent as a brick. Also I liked this line on their Wikipedia page: "When Nick Ferrari asked TPA's campaign manager Susie Squire whether she was "secretly Conservative", she rejected the accusation as "outrageous", saying the organisation was "totally independent".[16] In 2010, Squire became a special adviser to the Conservative Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, Iain Duncan Smith, before going on to become head of press for the Conservative party. Squire subsequently worked as David Cameron's press secretary in 10 Downing Street" 
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This budget reminds me of when Teresa May thought the Tory poll leads were so insurmountable that they could say they'd bring back fox hunting, except now the Tories are already 10 points behind in the polls. I can only assume they genuinely believe this will help the economy and not be a direct handout to the rich, despite direct historical evidence to the contrary. Who knew they genuinely believed anything!
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Sep 23, 2022 16:58
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They know that the games up, and that they'll be opposition for a decade after the next GE. The next couple of years will be about as much sabotage and looting as they can get away with.
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Sep 23, 2022 17:00
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Fair play to Truss. Less than 3 weeks in the job and she’s managed to tank the pound to the point where the government is going to have to intervene. Impressive really
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forkboy84 posted:Not just the obvious reason. One of the reason you always see some oval office from then, Adam Smith Institute or Taxpayers Alliance is because they are so well funded by rich cunts who resent having to pay even a solitary penny in taxation they can afford to keep people on call whose job is to go on TV and spout their rotten ideology at a seconds notice. TV producers know that and love it because it means it makes their job of filling air time easier. Which means they they are the first name on the rolodex when you need someone now to sound authoritative. was that not that oval office farages trick as well, always avail to go spout hate and bile on QT
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forkboy84 posted:The great joke
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If Keith can be Brown's man and not Blair's I might allow some hope in the future
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As an opponent of the death penalty it fills me with no great joy to suggest the sentence of death be delivered to the tory party, for treason, defrauding the public and carpetbagging.
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Given the number of tory MPs and rich people who seem incredibly pissed off about all of this I'm wondering if Liz Truss is trying to speed run collapsing the government.
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notaspy posted:If Keith can be Brown's man and not Blair's I might allow some hope in the future 
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This budget, Christ. Has there ever been a budget so evidently, I don’t know, “unequal to the moment” than this? It has only taken three weeks for me to conclude that Truss and Kwarteng are going to be worse for this country than Johnson/Sunak, May/Hammond. (I’m not quite ready to say they will be worse than Cameron/Osborne, what with completely decimating local government, being the poster children for austerity, and that whole EU referendum thing.)
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Given the number of tory MPs and rich people who seem incredibly pissed off about all of this I'm wondering if Liz Truss is trying to speed run collapsing the government. My pet theory is that Truss is actually a sleeper accelerationist working from within cos I can't explain her behaviour any other way.
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MI5 monarchist sleeper agent leading Labour against a republican socialist sleeper agent leading Tories.
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Boris Johnson was actively incompetentand rishi Sunak was at least disguising his handouts to companies in economic terms that could kind of make sense. Kwasi and truss are literally paid stooges of multinational corporations who are actively hostile to the UK's status quo because they can't buy everything that isn't nailed down and sell it back to us.
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piano chimp posted:My pet theory is that Truss is actually a sleeper accelerationist working from within cos I can't explain her behaviour any other way. That's not tin foil hattery though? Reece-Mogg owes his money to his dad's investment in disaster capitalism in 1997 and she's clearly his puppet. I say this as someone who actually knew Truss 20 years ago and the woman is something else when it comes to puppets, always was, trust me she was picked. Her brain is like a sponge absorbing all the words of the people around her and then spewing it all out when squeezed. Not an original thought in her life and she has the most terrifying internalised misogyny of anyone I have ever met and my dad has been a member of the Conservative party for 60 years.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Hell same. There are a number of people at our local co-op who are 'banned' after regularly bilking an entire basket, but most staff even if they see that person, they just go tell the manager and the manager calls the police who log it and then do gently caress all. I don't personally care very much if people shoplift but the actual store staff get bollocked if they don't make a token effort and that means I usually get roped in as a big burly fucker to try and deter them from deciding they can just punch one of the wee old ladies on checkout and run off with it. I feel like there is a better solution to all this but I can't quite put my finger on it.
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drat, if only people had enough money to spend on necessary items like food or drink and didnt have to put a social burden on shops, the police force and courts by shoplifting... Sadly there is no other way, the gold plating for the yaughts isn't going to pay for itself!
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Halisnacks posted:This budget, Christ. Others have already made the (apt) comparison with the Barber Boom, which (when teamed with the Energy Crisis) delivered the inflation, lopsided income growth, weak pound and living cost rises that produced the economic mire and labour untest that led to the IMF loan, the Winter of Discontent and THE BINS. I genuinely think this is (at least in part) salting the earth. The Tories know they're going to lose the next election and are now laying a minefield for their successors. They're daring Labour to commit to tax rises, big spending/borrowing, increased regulation, 'politics of envy' and so on. The state of our public services and infrastructure is already so dire that any government genuinely wanting to put things right would have to be extremely radical with its tax and spending plans - sorting out the NHS alone would need something approaching a war footing to achieve in a reasonable timeframe. This budget may produce a burp of economic growth - short term, unsustainable and entirely concentrated in the top 1% of the country and the economy, but the Tories would be able to point to positive GDP figures which would evaporate just in time for the next government to be blamed for 'snuffing it out'. If the freeports/charter cities thing happens, you can bet that the contracts will mean that a government wanting to reverse them would have to pay Jardine Matheson £500 billion to 'de-privatise' South Devon or something like that. Of course, the worst/most darkly comic timeline is that the Tories underestimate the venality of their voters, the desire of the British electorate to lick boot, the slavish devotion of the media to prop them up regardless and the effectiveness of their own voter suppression and win anyway. And/or they manage to underestimate the desire of a suceding Labour government to actually fix any of the damage they've done.
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As if things weren't bad enough
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what's a moka? one of those stove top coffee things?
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Classic Kieth https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1573358398954938369
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It is impressive that they just can't promise literally anything long term, like there is no overall intent, only situational focused group crap. And what more could you ask for in a person given total control of the country than an apparent complete unwillingness or inability to make decisions on his own and being merely capable of slowly reacting to things that happen to him.
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kecske posted:what's a moka? one of those stove top coffee things? The Moka is a highly ritualized system of exchange in the Mount Hagen area, Papua New Guinea, that has become emblematic of the anthropological concepts of "gift economy" and of "Big man" political system. Moka are reciprocal gifts of pigs through which social status is achieved. Moka refers specifically to the increment in the size of the gift; giving more brings greater prestige to the giver. However, reciprocal gift giving was confused by early anthropologists with profit-seeking, as the lending and borrowing of money at interest.[1] This gift exchange system was analyzed by anthropologist Marshall Sahlins as a means of distinguishing between the exchange principles of reciprocity and redistribution on the one hand, and the associated political principles of status and rank on the other. Sahlins used this example to contrast the regional political differences between the status-based "Big man" political system of Melanesia that engage in gift exchange, with the socially ranked "Chiefly" political systems of Polynesia associated with redistributive systems.[2] Since making this comparison, the Moka system has been the subject of extensive debate on the nature of the gift, and of so-called "gift economies". It has become a staple of classroom discussion as a result of the ethnographic film Ongka's Big Moka, which documents one Moka cycle in the early 1970s.
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I knew the guitarist from Toploader. He said the singer was a dreadful tool
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So, um, what does anyone actually do? The unions feel more militant than they have done for decades, and we’re still light years away from a general strike. Feels like it’s just going to be a case of ‘see where the chips have fallen after the riots’ at this point. That said, if one thing’s for certain, it’s that things will move so fast this winter it’s going to make our heads spin, so anything could happen.
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piano chimp posted:My pet theory is that Truss is actually a sleeper accelerationist working from within cos I can't explain her behaviour any other way.
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hello i'm liz truss and my first record was oinko's big wanko by david cameron
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It's only a week since The Queue and 4 days since The Funeral but it feels like forever ago, something back in history. (I mean I know it is technically now history but like long ago history).
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therattle posted:As you probably haven't noticed, I haven't posted in here for a while. I'm glad at least you took on some things from your time in the gulag of the mind. It's not pleasant looking at things from a left wing perspective, and a lot of people find it easier to just abandon thread and then complain elsewhere about us being mean. You at least had the distinction of holding your own and arguing your point well enough to get good replies. OwlFancier posted:I don't personally care very much if people shoplift but the actual store staff get bollocked if they don't make a token effort and that means I usually get roped in as a big burly fucker to try and deter them from deciding they can just punch one of the wee old ladies on checkout and run off with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9ZD3_ppcPE
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I worked with someone yesterday who went to see The Coffin. Apparently she said she had a moment of realization as to why the gently caress did she pay for a ticket down to london to stand in line to see the loving dead queen when she's the one who's skint, but then apparently rationalized it as "it makes money"(???) She's a bit mental.
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