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HopperUK posted:Who are we talking about? I can't find anyone from MASH in the listings but to be fair I am very tired. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Morgan
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Oh, well that's disappointing.
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I can't believe somebody from MASH has issues with women.
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hey why do they call him trapper anyway?
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christmas boots posted:hey why do they call him trapper anyway? MASH novel posted:His nickname comes from an incident in which he was caught having sex with a woman in the lavatory aboard a Boston & Maine Railway train: she claimed in her defense that "he trapped me!"
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Yeah, the book and the movie both have issues with racism and misogyny, especially the latter.
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The first 3 seasons of the show are pretty gross too but it gets better from there.
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Shiroc posted:The first 3 seasons of the show are pretty gross too but it gets better from there. Yeah, I love MASH but hoo boy it starts rough. I've seen lots of people online complain that it's only good for two years and then it wasn't funny any more, and it feels like it's because they enjoyed all the misogyny and they miss it.
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Lmao Dragnet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZo2hhvvlpw Yeah instant orange juice is totally contributing to this country's downfall. 
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Vandar posted:Lmao Dragnet. Quite the eyebrow raise on the no quarantine signs huh
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Meaty Ore posted:Yeah, the book and the movie both have issues with racism and misogyny, especially the latter. Racism? Please, woke types will get offended over everything. What’s racist about a black character named Spearchucker Jones?
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I hope I can one day love a woman as much as Jack Webb hated hippies.
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christmas boots posted:Racism? Please, woke types will get offended over everything. What’s racist about a black character named Spearchucker Jones? That's like the one scene from the movie I've ever actually seen, someone was channel surfing at work and the movie was on. He said something like "You can call me whatever you want as long as it isn't Late For Dinner."
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Vandar posted:Lmao Dragnet. holy gently caress, how many goddamn times have I heard a speech like this in my life
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The weirdest part is how bored he sounds while delivering it. You’d think he would relish the chance to tell off the youth in a monologue he wrote.
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Vandar posted:Lmao Dragnet. As true today as when it was written
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I AM GRANDO posted:The weirdest part is how bored he sounds while delivering it. You’d think he would relish the chance to tell off the youth in a monologue he wrote. He's clearly on barbiturates. Gotta take the edge off.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:He's clearly on barbiturates. Gotta take the edge off. 
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I rewatched Tropic Thunder recently, and I don't think you could say the blackface has aged, because you could have the same arguments about whether it was appropriate then as now. But there's a scene where the actors are talking about their love lives, and they get the rapper character, Alpa, to admit that there's someone he likes. He then lets slip that his crush's name is Lance, and the other characters react like he said something shocking and taboo. If the movie came out this year, they probably would've been tripped up for half a second, if that, and then gone back to trying to give him relationship advice. Also, the treatment of intellectually disabled people was kind of unpleasant to sit through. If you want a picture of American comedy in 2008, imagine Robert Downey Jr in blackface, saying the r word, over and over.
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Aces High posted:holy gently caress, how many goddamn times have I heard a speech like this in my life "You're dissatisfied with the way the world is? Listen, bub. When i was your age, there were things my generation thought could be better. And then we strived, and we fixed things, and made the world a better place. So now, you're trying to do the same thing? Make the world even better still? No, this time around, that's bad, for some reason I will not explain. Now is as good as it should ever get."
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Vandar posted:Lmao Dragnet. At the end when he's like "it has for over 400 years" what's he getting at? Jamestown was 1607 that's like less than 350 years from dragnet but I'm pretty terrible and math and also at listening to boring poo poo like dragnet. That's my one dragnet memory, it'd come on and there wasn't anything else on either so I'd be all "whelp, time to be bored I guess"
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Vandar posted:Lmao Dragnet. All the comments gushing over it too, ugh.
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Shwoo posted:I rewatched Tropic Thunder recently, and I don't think you could say the blackface has aged, because you could have the same arguments about whether it was appropriate then as now. But there's a scene where the actors are talking about their love lives, and they get the rapper character, Alpa, to admit that there's someone he likes. He then lets slip that his crush's name is Lance, and the other characters react like he said something shocking and taboo. If the movie came out this year, they probably would've been tripped up for half a second, if that, and then gone back to trying to give him relationship advice. Their reactions are kinda the point, though fair. Hell, they could have mixed it up a bit, though I can't imagine relationship advice from that lot would be useful. The ending does at least has Alpa Chino sitting next to Lance. Also while it absolutely gets used in the worst possible ways, the entire thing with Simple Jack (even compared outright to I Am Sam) is specifically pointing out Hollywood's treatment of mental disability and how showing it as anything other than endearing quirkiness suddenly makes people very uncomfortable. Pretty sure those bits are deliberately meant to be as cringeworthy as possible... which I'm not sure helps it any, but still. Now, Satan's Alley has just aged in a different way.
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DontMockMySmock posted:"You're dissatisfied with the way the world is? Listen, bub. When i was your age, there were things my generation thought could be better. And then we strived, and we fixed things, and made the world a better place. So now, you're trying to do the same thing? Make the world even better still? No, this time around, that's bad, for some reason I will not explain. Now is as good as it should ever get." I looked it up and the plotline is the youths doing petty crimes to try and go off and found their own breakaway state, so the point of the speech seems to be "push for change, because making things better is good, but do it without hurting people and do it within the system." So it's bad and ineffectual yeah but it's not "change is impossible and you kids are fools" bad. Idk, I've never watched an episode myself, just that clip and then I went looking at Wikipedia.
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They’re shocked with alpa chino because this is the kind of persona he made for himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_4qjjSCB4M
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Their reactions are kinda the point, though fair. Hell, they could have mixed it up a bit, though I can't imagine relationship advice from that lot would be useful. The ending does at least has Alpa Chino sitting next to Lance. All those scenes were just uncomfortable when I last rewatched tropic thunder
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The faux irony that pervades much of shows like South Park hasn't aged well but Tropic Thunder wasn't that, it draws a direct line between the exploitation and simplification of the differently abled and the industry's history with blackface. The film is overtly about Hollywood's hypocrisy and exploitation from multiple angles, it's supposed to be a bit uncomfortable at times.
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christmas boots posted:Racism? Please, woke types will get offended over everything. What’s racist about a black character named Spearchucker Jones? Hey! He threw the javelin in college. THAT'S how he got his name! Or so the story goes. He ended up getting written out because the writers (falsely) believed there were no Black surgeons in Korea.
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SCheeseman posted:The faux irony that pervades much of shows like South Park hasn't aged well but Tropic Thunder wasn't that, it draws a direct line between the exploitation and simplification of the differently abled and the industry's history with blackface. The film is overtly about Hollywood's hypocrisy and exploitation from multiple angles, it's supposed to be a bit uncomfortable at times. Vandar posted:Lmao Dragnet.
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Nameless Pete posted:I hope I can one day love a woman as much as Jack Webb hated hippies. Dragnet was truly the Victory March of the Squares. It's almost awe-inspiring in its singlemindedness.
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christmas boots posted:Racism? Please, woke types will get offended over everything. What’s racist about a black character named Spearchucker Jones? My dad was super super racist but my mom managed to hide that poo poo when we were kids/made sure he never used those words around us. Despite us watching MASH a lot, I don't remember that dude, but to be fair I also didn't care about the show, it was just what was on at dinner. I do remember the first time I heard spearchucker; I was in middle school, and there were some white high school age kids, all relatively bad shape, talking about a new student who was super fit. They called him that term, and me being smart, and studying Greek myths nonstop, determined that word meant super athlete, like the Spartans, because who else used spears but the ancient Greeks and like in the Olympics, a spear is like a javelin right? Yes, the new student was black. No, I thankfully did not say that word to him.
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Improbable Lobster posted:All those scenes were just uncomfortable when I last rewatched tropic thunder They were uncomfortable the first time I watched Tropic Thunder, I think that was the intended effect.
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You don’t remember him from MASH because he was only in the book and the movie. He never made it to the show
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christmas boots posted:You don’t remember him from MASH because he was only in the book and the movie. He never made it to the show Jones? He was in six episodes.
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I’ve already taken a position I can’t change it now
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Fighting Trousers posted:Dragnet was truly the Victory March of the Squares. It's almost awe-inspiring in its singlemindedness. And it inspired the Kong of Copaganda, Law and Order
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I can't tell if this has aged poorly or wonderfully but it's still probably the best thing to ever come out of Dragnet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_QRKfv8H4
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Vandar posted:I can't tell if this has aged poorly or wonderfully but it's still probably the best thing to ever come out of Dragnet: I think it's aged well because it knows it's ridiculous and doesn't give a gently caress. Like, I doubt they were under the impression they were being cool there.
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Mister Kingdom posted:He ended up getting written out because the writers (falsely) believed there were no Black surgeons in Korea. He got wrote out largely because of backlash to the name. The "no black surgeons in Korea" thing was more of a "why are you axing the only black character on the show" CYA.
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