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Arc Hammer posted:I actually really like his splatter fest approach to action scenes but they only work if you're using actual people and copious squibs. The bloom and the total CGI-ness of that Hobbit scene kills it. The lack of physicality does make it worse than his early films, but also the tonal whiplash makes it so those scenes and the dramatic scenes undermine each other to an extent. I can't fully get into the mood for either. Braindead is still PJ's best movie for me. He's alright at drama but he does splatter horror action better than Raimi, in my opinion. Too bad he lost interest in screenplays that fully embraced his sensibilities on that front.
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I strongly disagree with this meme. Tauriel's love triangle wasn't bad because "it wasn't in the books." The idea of adding in more distinct characters to the wood elves was a good adaptation decision, in my opinion, and there is nothing inherently wrong with romance, especially as it adds more substance to the conflict between the Elven king and the dwarves, which isn't particularly well fleshed out in the original book. It was bad because it was poorly written and shoehorned in to fill out the runtime of a three-hour movie that got inexplicably stretched into two movies totaling over five hours.
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Arc Hammer posted:I've never seen the extended hobbit films and after seeing this: that scene kicks rear end
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Ian McKellen deserved an oscar for not just walking away from that scene.
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Bugblatter posted:The lack of physicality does make it worse than his early films, but also the tonal whiplash makes it so those scenes and the dramatic scenes undermine each other to an extent. I can't fully get into the mood for either. yeah braindead is his best work
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Hard disagree. People who complain "Look at these lore nerds" don't understand that most of the fans of Tolkien's writings have no problems with a movie or series leaving the established paths of the lore, as long as it makes sense and is done in a creative manner. The Tauriel and Kili angle was a perfect example of that and it captured the essence of stories like Beren&Luthien or Aragorn&Arwen. The Second Age would have been a suitable setting for similar stories, since the major events are only laid out in broad strokes and there is plenty of room between the lines to create a narrative that can stand on it's own feet. But instead of working with and between the lore, the writers of RoP decided to tear down established foundations and pillars, to replace them with their often ludicrous ideas. This is why we have Galadriel as loose cannon cop who, when finally asked about her motivation, answers "I cannot stop". And why we are now getting a story about elven mithril addicts. There is a difference between inserting a quality story that understands the Tolkien legendarium and inserting nonsense that makes a mockery of it. https://i.imgur.com/S4XMkJ3.gifv Don't get high on your own (mithril) supply. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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Arc Hammer posted:I've never seen the extended hobbit films and after seeing this: Why is the video throbbing? Is that some attempt to dodge a copyright strike? Like at 0:35 the tops of the buildings lurch to the left.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:“Hey Peter yeah. That duology? Yeah it’s a trilogy now. No, each movie needs to still be around 180 minutes long. Figure it out.” Nope, the studios had nothing to do with that. They were just as surprised as everyone when PJ told them he wanted to extend it to 3 movies. quote:“More controversial still, as far as the media was concerned, was the expansion to three films. Two weeks out from Comic-con in July, where Jackson was due to show footage from Bag End and the Riddles in the Dark sequence, he had sat down with Walsh and Boyens to ‘talk about the shape of the two films’. They got on to which additional scenes they might shoot in these very pick-ups, and the list just kept on growing. ‘What if it was a trilogy?’ Jackson had wondered aloud. Source: Anything You Can Imagine: Peter Jackson and the Making of Middle-earth by Ian Nathan. Great book btw. Justaddwater fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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I still remember the stoner hilarity between my friends and I when it was announced that the guy who made Bad Taste was getting the Lord of the Rings trilogy. drat we must have watched Bad Taste nearly every weekend before that.
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Bruceski posted:Why is the video throbbing? Is that some attempt to dodge a copyright strike? Like at 0:35 the tops of the buildings lurch to the left. Yeah that's a copyright dodge tactic.
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the series turns more stupid every episode it has nothing to with tolkien's writing except some names, it misses all the themes
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Justaddwater posted:Nope, the studios had nothing to do with that. They were just as surprised as everyone when PJ told them he wanted to extend it to 3 movies. There are books/series that need multiple movies to cover. HP and the Deathly Hallows would have been cramped as gently caress as a single movie. There might have been some justification in stretching The Lord of the Rings to four of even six movies. There really isn't any justification aside from straight up green to stretch The Hobbit into three giant movies.
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ep5 I’m losing faith. The writing is getting really bad. Elves need absorb light from mithril? Or they all fade away in a few months? ^— that entire story beat is … incredibly dumb. Like wtf? Costumes, set, music remain awesome, but the writing really is starting to drag 
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alcaras posted:ep5 I kinda figure those are lies from Annatar. I’m suspicious about that meeting that Elrond specifically wasn’t invited to in episode 1. Were all the elven rings made of mithril or just Galadriel’s? Seems Annatar might have met with Gilgalad and used this story to pitch the rings to them. Which is why Elrond going to help Celebrimbor, who has a deadline for a forge, was an outcome of the secretive meeting.
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This is just making me think I should go back to the Shadow of Noun games. I think the plot was less dumb. (I'm not sure of that, actually. Never got very far in Shadow of Mordor.)
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Bugblatter posted:I kinda figure those are lies from Annatar. I’m suspicious about that meeting that Elrond specifically wasn’t invited to in episode 1. Were all the elven rings made of mithril or just Galadriel’s? Seems Annatar might have met with Gilgalad and used this story to pitch the rings to them. Which is why Elrond going to help Celebrimbor, who has a deadline for a forge, was an outcome of the secretive meeting. But (in the books) Gil-galad and Elrond rejected Annatar because though they didn’t realize he was Sauron, they didn’t get good vibes. So I don’t think Gil-galad is being secretly advised by an offscreen Annatar. IIRC only Nenya was made from mithril. I feel like the show has a lot of unnecessary mystery / plot gimmicks to try to keep viewers or something. Just tell a good story.
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alcaras posted:ep5 it's like a type 5 on bristol scale that has been spray painted gold 
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alcaras posted:ep5 My reading of that was not that they would fade away in a few months, but that they would be destined to diminish, and fade, and go into The West or become stupid little Victorian elves aka Galadriel's quote to Sam and Frodo after renouncing the one ring, and that mithril, containing the light of a Silmaril which in turn contained light from the Two Trees, would be like living in Valinor without leaving Middle-Earth. Now where they got the idea that two trees light exposure was like sleeping in a hypobaric chamber wrt elvish superiority, I dunno, but its not like a people desperate to not lose their youth and vitality turning to bullshit cures is unprecedented or anything. That said its equally possible Gil-Galad got snookered by some bad guy bullshit or just plain false hope and heard something that sounded good for a fear they've been worrying about since they got to Middle-Earth so who knows. Are there even any sons of Feanor left at this point in the story? I could see one of them pulling this poo poo out of his rear end in order to score some mithril which is some seriously superior metal. In the end we know the only cure for the elves fading is go back home to the Undying Lands either way and that its not going to work so its kind of moot.
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Oracle posted:My reading of that was not that they would fade away in a few months, but that they would be destined to diminish, and fade, and go into The West or become stupid little Victorian elves aka Galadriel's quote to Sam and Frodo after renouncing the one ring, and that mithril, containing the light of a Silmaril which in turn contained light from the Two Trees, would be like living in Valinor without leaving Middle-Earth. Now where they got the idea that two trees light exposure was like sleeping in a hypobaric chamber wrt elvish superiority, I dunno, but its not like a people desperate to not lose their youth and vitality turning to bullshit cures is unprecedented or anything. That said its equally possible Gil-Galad got snookered by some bad guy bullshit or just plain false hope and heard something that sounded good for a fear they've been worrying about since they got to Middle-Earth so who knows. Are there even any sons of Feanor left at this point in the story? I could see one of them pulling this poo poo out of his rear end in order to score some mithril which is some seriously superior metal. In the end we know the only cure for the elves fading is go back home to the Undying Lands either way and that its not going to work so its kind of moot. The show literally says "by spring".
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Oracle posted:My reading of that was not that they would fade away in a few months, but that they would be destined to diminish, and fade, and go into The West or become stupid little Victorian elves aka Galadriel's quote to Sam and Frodo after renouncing the one ring, and that mithril, containing the light of a Silmaril which in turn contained light from the Two Trees, would be like living in Valinor without leaving Middle-Earth. Now where they got the idea that two trees light exposure was like sleeping in a hypobaric chamber wrt elvish superiority, I dunno, but its not like a people desperate to not lose their youth and vitality turning to bullshit cures is unprecedented or anything. That said its equally possible Gil-Galad got snookered by some bad guy bullshit or just plain false hope and heard something that sounded good for a fear they've been worrying about since they got to Middle-Earth so who knows. Are there even any sons of Feanor left at this point in the story? I could see one of them pulling this poo poo out of his rear end in order to score some mithril which is some seriously superior metal. In the end we know the only cure for the elves fading is go back home to the Undying Lands either way and that its not going to work so its kind of moot. that whiny emo one could still be living by the sea shore and celebrimbror is feanor's grandson
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Oracle posted:My reading of that was not that they would fade away in a few months, but that they would be destined to diminish, and fade, and go into The West or become stupid little Victorian elves aka Galadriel's quote to Sam and Frodo after renouncing the one ring, and that mithril, containing the light of a Silmaril which in turn contained light from the Two Trees, would be like living in Valinor without leaving Middle-Earth. Now where they got the idea that two trees light exposure was like sleeping in a hypobaric chamber wrt elvish superiority, I dunno, but its not like a people desperate to not lose their youth and vitality turning to bullshit cures is unprecedented or anything. That said its equally possible Gil-Galad got snookered by some bad guy bullshit or just plain false hope and heard something that sounded good for a fear they've been worrying about since they got to Middle-Earth so who knows. Are there even any sons of Feanor left at this point in the story? I could see one of them pulling this poo poo out of his rear end in order to score some mithril which is some seriously superior metal. In the end we know the only cure for the elves fading is go back home to the Undying Lands either way and that its not going to work so its kind of moot. Only one son of Feanor wasn't given a definitive end, Maglor. After the Silmaril burns him and he casts it into the sea, he disappears from Tolkein's writings. Funky See Funky Do posted:The show literally says "by spring". I read it as irreversible by spring, but I might have misheard/misremembered the line.
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So are there any legitimate leaks for the rest of the season out there? There are fake leaks that were based off educated guesses and probably leaks into the very early screenings this past spring of the first 4 episodes to some people peppered with bad faith GamerGate poo poo. But nothing in terms of how the final 3 season of Game or Thrones had the entire plot leaked.
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I've decided that I’m going to just ignore the blatant timeline inconsistencies and idiocy like that mithril deficiency thing and instead enjoy the (few enough) things I like about the show. I definitely like the portrayal of the Harfoots. I can totally believe that the things they’re forced to do for survival (hiding, sticking close together, considering curiosity to be dangerous etc.) would evolve into the conservatism of the future hobbits. I also think it’s a good thing that they are just completely ignoring the race(ism) issue and just mix everything up. Yup, give me dark skinned Elves; and to hell with the "fans" for which this is a major sticking point.
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Zopotantor posted:I've decided that I’m going to just ignore the blatant timeline inconsistencies and idiocy like that mithril deficiency thing and instead enjoy the (few enough) things I like about the show. I'm glad their casting is more diverse, as any diversity is a step up from the previous films. I wish they'd gone a bit further though. We don't see many dwarven faces outside of Durin's family, so it sticks out a bit less with the dwarves... but we've seen a lot of elves and Arondir seems to be the only black elf in the world? The non-white representation is so sparse that it feels more like a trait similar to albinism than actual ethnic diversity. I mean I prefer token representation to no representation, but I hope they do better in future seasons. I know it's a bit hard to cast for diversity in New Zealand, so maybe the move to England will help. Hopefully, they can mix in some Asian representation while they're at it.
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Bugblatter posted:I'm glad their casting is more diverse, as any diversity is a step up from the previous films. I wish they'd gone a bit further though. We don't see many dwarven faces outside of Durin's family, so it sticks out a bit less with the dwarves... but we've seen a lot of elves and Arondir seems to be the only black elf in the world? The non-white representation is so sparse that it feels more like a trait similar to albinism than actual ethnic diversity. There were several Asians in crowd scenes in Numenor.
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Oracle posted:There were several Asians in crowd scenes in Numenor. I mean extras are better than nothing but...
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Zopotantor posted:I definitely like the portrayal of the Harfoots. I can totally believe that the things they’re forced to do for survival (hiding, sticking close together, considering curiosity to be dangerous etc.) would evolve into the conservatism of the future hobbits. Don't forget their Social Darwinist "Survival of the Fittest" ideology. "What, you can't pull your wagon anymore? To the end of the line you go"... Hobbits, those lovable little rascals...
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CommonShore posted:How did Galadriel get her armour back It's different and much better. I assume they gave her some of the good stuff they still have in storage, or did a rush job since they said they had 10 days.
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Kaysette posted:The fan edit that gets them down to one four hour movie is pretty good. I dunno about "good" but it's at least "more watchable"
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