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That DICK! posted:its not perfect but picard is actually really great, the hate on it is basically just a meme at this point. give if a couple episodes, and if you find you're not digging it, watch a couple more. things really pick up in season 2, but you need to know how things went down in season 1. and make sure you watch all of season 2 you're a sick person
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It's not something that comes up often but wow Generations had to come up with Picard and Guinan's deep connection beyond space and time and they came up with they talked for five minutes at Picard's imaginary christmas party.
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Sep 24, 2022 22:18
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So did they rescue every Worf in Parallels or did they kill ∞-1 Worfs?
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The reason why people rag on Picard/Disco so much is that they're bafflingly incompetent pieces of expensive entertainment that subsist entirely on their association with a known brand Like if PicardShow starred some random old guy and didn't have all the references to Star Trek I can't imagine people having patience for it
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Sep 24, 2022 23:20
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Man Patrick Stewart is such a great actor. In The Pegasus he's standing in the background while Terry O'Quinn and Jonathon Frakes talk but Stewart is stealing the scene just reacting to them with his eyes.
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Sep 24, 2022 23:23
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Arglebargle III posted:So did they rescue every Worf in Parallels or did they kill ∞-1 Worfs? did tng beat voyager to permanently killing a main cast member, the longest video in the history of star trek youtubes
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Arivia posted:did tng beat voyager to permanently killing a main cast member, the longest video in the history of star trek youtubes Yes, by killing Tasha Yar : P
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Tighclops posted:The reason why people rag on Picard/Disco so much is that they're bafflingly incompetent pieces of expensive entertainment that subsist entirely on their association with a known brand I watched all of Picard season 2 literally only because it was Star Trek and I was giving modern Trek one more chance to be good and relevant after the intense burning disappointment of Disco season 1. It was so badly structured, written and executed that I regret wasting my time on not only that show but the entire concept of live action Trek at this point, burn it all down for another 20 years.
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Sep 25, 2022 01:12
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Strange New Worlds will wash the taste out of your mouth to the point that for brief moments, you'll wonder if you misjudged the other two shows.
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Sep 25, 2022 01:31
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McSpanky posted:the entire concept of live action Trek at this point, burn it all down for another 20 years. Strange New Worlds is good. Not great, but good and with lots of potential. It's baffling that it exists at the same time as Disco and Picard are being shat out.
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RIP Sito the only part of Lower Decks that does NOT make sense is how upset Worf is Sito has earned herself a place among the honored dead! Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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Sep 25, 2022 02:20
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A deleted scene from "Family" showed that Wesley was named after Jack's grandfather, Richard Wesley Crusher. The same scene established that Wesley had several ancestors whom Jack considered "heroes". One ancestor fought in the American Civil War – on the Confederate side – in the opening battle of the conflict at Bull Run.
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That DICK! posted:A deleted scene from "Family" showed that Wesley was named after Jack's grandfather, Richard Wesley Crusher. The same scene established that Wesley had several ancestors whom Jack considered "heroes". One ancestor fought in the American Civil War – on the Confederate side – in the opening battle of the conflict at Bull Run. Oof, that's a big yikeserooni! Very problematic. Hopefully Traveller Wesley went back in time and killed him. This would also erase Wesley from the timeline, making things objectively better all around.
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Sep 25, 2022 03:02
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The two parter Future's End is pretty good for a Voyager 2 parter.
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Hollismason posted:The two parter Future's End is pretty good for a Voyager 2 parter. Good news: the two-parters generally get infinitely better from here. Namely Scorpion, Year of Hell, Dark Frontier, and Equinox.
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McSpanky posted:I watched all of Picard season 2 literally only because it was Star Trek and I was giving modern Trek one more chance to be good and relevant after the intense burning disappointment of Disco season 1. It was so badly structured, written and executed that I regret wasting my time on not only that show but the entire concept of live action Trek at this point, burn it all down for another 20 years. Literally anybody whose opinion is worth listening to is saying SNW is enjoyable and PicardShow's first season did so much lasting psychic damage to me that I still haven't watched SNW. I'm hoping I can get better enough to watch the first season soon, but I'm honestly worried that the magic is gone and I'm just going to be stuck like the guy they found in the closet on the ship from Night Terrors
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Tighclops posted:Literally anybody whose opinion is worth listening to is saying SNW is enjoyable and PicardShow's first season did so much lasting psychic damage to me that I still haven't watched SNW. I'm hoping I can get better enough to watch the first season soon, but I'm honestly worried that the magic is gone and I'm just going to be stuck like the guy they found in the closet on the ship from Night Terrors If you're so broken inside that the prospect of watching an episode of Strange New Worlds fills you with trepidation, then perhaps Star Trek is not a good fit for you and you should consider seeing other shows. SNW is the most Star Trek show that has ever Star Treked outside of the original series, and it even kind of whips the stretchy nylon pants off of TOS in more than one place to boot.
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I'll be the counter voice because I think SNW is at best okay. It can be a pretty good okay at times, but it has a lot of the same foibles that all the other live action Trek have had. Particularly for what it does to the Gorn. Straight up adding the xenomorph into Trek is horrible, let alone making that the new Gorn. The final two episodes really soured me on it, though the writing never felt like something I loved overall. It's cast is very charismatic and does a ton of work to sell it, and mostly succeeds, but it's just as dumb and awful as Picard from the writers room.
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Strange New Worlds has much, much better scripting than Discovery or Picard and it’s the only one that seems to have a point at all, or succeeds at making the future seem like somewhere you might want to live. That’s not to say it’s super well written. It can coast on its production which is also much better than either of the above shows, and its cast who are better looking and more likable. It feels less devoted to delivering frivolous whiz bang crap for idiots. But I don’t feel the show has yet had a breakout episode where it nails everything. Its attempts at tie-ins to broader in-universe historical stuff haven’t all been great so far either. That said, after one season it was absolutely clear that both Discovery and Picard were completely hosed and that’s not the case here.
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Eimi posted:I'll be the counter voice because I think SNW is at best okay. It can be a pretty good okay at times, but it has a lot of the same foibles that all the other live action Trek have had. Particularly for what it does to the Gorn. Straight up adding the xenomorph into Trek is horrible, let alone making that the new Gorn. The final two episodes really soured me on it, though the writing never felt like something I loved overall. It's cast is very charismatic and does a ton of work to sell it, and mostly succeeds, but it's just as dumb and awful as Picard from the writers room. Having actually watched the first episode and found it okay but not particularly enticing, this is pretty much exactly what I expected from a spinoff of Disco. It's fruit of the poisonous tree, I just don't think anything made from this group of creatives is going to make me happy no matter how well executed by the actors. And I'm cashing in my nerd bingo free space to say I will never accept their redesigned TOS Connie 
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McSpanky posted:Having actually watched the first episode and found it okay but not particularly enticing, this is pretty much exactly what I expected from a spinoff of Disco. It's fruit of the poisonous tree, I just don't think anything made from this group of creatives is going to make me happy no matter how well executed by the actors. The first episode of SNW is, inexplicably, basically a Discovery episode. IMO, the second episode works much better, and is built like a first episode anyway. Frankly, I'd recommend anyone with the least doubt to simply skip the first episode. Still irrationally angry about the phone thing. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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McSpanky posted:Having actually watched the first episode and found it okay but not particularly enticing, this is pretty much exactly what I expected from a spinoff of Disco. It's fruit of the poisonous tree, I just don't think anything made from this group of creatives is going to make me happy no matter how well executed by the actors. Congrats on watching the weakest of the 10 episodes and then bouncing on it I guess  e: beaten
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McSpanky posted:Having actually watched the first episode and found it okay but not particularly enticing, this is pretty much exactly what I expected from a spinoff of Disco. It's fruit of the poisonous tree, I just don't think anything made from this group of creatives is going to make me happy no matter how well executed by the actors. The worst part is that they had a much better variant on the design that looked at least better than what's in the show. 
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That's pretty much identical except for the nacelle pylons, though. Looks lighter than the show but that's just because it's a light scan. (Oh and it doesn't have the saucer rim windows but those didn't get introduced until SNW, they weren't on Disco)
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MikeJF posted:That's pretty much identical except for the nacelle pylons, though. Looks lighter than the show but that's just because it's a light scan. (Oh and it doesn't have the saucer rim windows but those didn't get introduced until SNW, they weren't on Disco) The lighter material and pylons are pretty important. The dark highly azteced look on the show is awful. Improving the material to be lighter and smoother ala TOS would go a long way to improving the model.
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nine-gear crow posted:Congrats on watching the weakest of the 10 episodes and then bouncing on it I guess I gave it a fair shot and it was a resounding "eh", with issues that largely transcend individual episode variation. I already didn't like the idea of a direct prequel to TOS and these people aren't interested in creating the kind of prequel I would like, one that's far more deferential to the source material and frankly 100% divorced from Discovery in absolutely every way conceivable. I don't owe a TV show anything, and it clearly isn't interested in owing me, so we're going our separate ways. As we say on Earth, c'est la vie.
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McSpanky posted:I gave it a fair shot and it was a resounding "eh", with issues that largely transcend individual episode variation. I already didn't like the idea of a direct prequel to TOS and these people aren't interested in creating the kind of prequel I would like, one that's far more deferential to the source material and frankly 100% divorced from Discovery in absolutely every way conceivable. I don't owe a TV show anything, and it clearly isn't interested in owing me, so we're going our separate ways. As we say on Earth, c'est la vie. And yeah, I feel this separate but related to it's issues, I hate the need to redesign everything. From the interiors, to the costumes, to the starship, they all just made everything worse. It was always something I loved in every pre Kurtzman iteration of Trek, the original Enterprise looked how she did in the 60's, the uniforms were the same, and so on. In a Mirror Darkly did a great job of redressing the original bridge to make it look better while still being the old bridge. Just getting the look and feel wrong is something it'd be great to be able to set aside, but it's always in the back of my mind.
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I hate that officially this is how it always was and the new Enterprise appeared as a hologram in Picard just to slam home that This Is How It Was And Isn't A Reboot The Enterprise Was Always Different And Twice As Big And Had A Giant Tron Bridge.
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McSpanky posted:I gave it a fair shot and it was a resounding "eh", with issues that largely transcend individual episode variation. I already didn't like the idea of a direct prequel to TOS and these people aren't interested in creating the kind of prequel I would like, one that's far more deferential to the source material and frankly 100% divorced from Discovery in absolutely every way conceivable. I don't owe a TV show anything, and it clearly isn't interested in owing me, so we're going our separate ways. As we say on Earth, c'est la vie. Honestly, I find that outlook far more respectable than the other like probably 85% of this subforum, and the internet in general who would figuratively screw their hand to a wall with a power drill in order to keep hatewatching a show they otherwise despise to the point where it is causing them genuine mental anguish, but they can't quit it because they're in too deep. If it sucks, hit da bricks.
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nine-gear crow posted:If you're so broken inside that the prospect of watching an episode of Strange New Worlds fills you with trepidation, then perhaps Star Trek is not a good fit for you and you should consider seeing other shows. SNW is the most Star Trek show that has ever Star Treked outside of the original series, and it even kind of whips the stretchy nylon pants off of TOS in more than one place to boot. I certainly hope CBS/Paramount is paying you to be a condescending rear end in a top hat to people posting about Star Trek in a Star Trek thread because I'd hate to think you were doing it for free
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Tighclops posted:I certainly hope CBS/Paramount is paying you to be a condescending rear end in a top hat to people posting about Star Trek in a Star Trek thread because I'd hate to think you were doing it for free Kurtzman's putting my kids through college 
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I basically rolled my eyes at every instance of SNW trying to score nostalgia points and enjoyed it when it was allowed to be its own show. I'm also not a fan of of the modern humor that has spawned from the MCU and wormed its way into SW and ST. Also the xenomorph gorn were super disappointing. I think I'm just not interested in Star Trek as a universe where I'm supposed to care about the history of factions and having interconnected references and retcon heavy prequels across writing teams and decades. It's just crawled up its own rear end like every other media franchise.
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nine-gear crow posted:If you're so broken inside Everyone in this thread is broken inside dog
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MikeJF posted:Everyone in this thread is broken inside dog Indeed. Thanks a bunch, "the last twenty five years of human history", you've really helped all of us.
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I really don’t know how more people didn’t smell the initial poo poo wafting off the fact that the guy who was fresh off of the megaflop of the ~DARK UNIVERSE~ was given the reigns to all of NuTrek by CBS in 2017.
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Eimi posted:The worst part is that they had a much better variant on the design that looked at least better than what's in the show. I like the stripes leading away behind the bridge bubble, very Excelsior. Also, I would like the design teams for the new series to stop loving jacking off to the Excelsior. Unrelated but I just watched Devil's Due and I'll let Ardra take over my planet any time.
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cenotaph posted:I basically rolled my eyes at every instance of SNW trying to score nostalgia points and enjoyed it when it was allowed to be its own show. I thought the last episode's detailed callbacks to Balance of Terror worked fantastically well.
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Powered Descent posted:I thought the last episode's detailed callbacks to Balance of Terror worked fantastically well. I think it was deftly executed but I'm not in love with the whole future visions Pike thing. I'm just really sick of time travel stuff.
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it's a sentiment that's been shared here and in the modern Trek thread, but I think the reason people latched on so hard to SNW even if it's got some obvious flaws is because it's the first current live-action Trek where you can actually talk about it and pick it apart and talk about character motivations or plot developments in any comprehensive way, instead of having nothing to latch onto besides "this sucks" because Discovery aggressively avoids developing its characters or exploring any of the implications of its setting and Picard has a season plot that was apparently written on a dare
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