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How in the gently caress did the Mass Effect: Andromeda tie in prequel books somehow pull in NK Jemisin and Catherynne Valente as authors? It's just such a weird mishmash of author quality and abandoned video game prequel novels that I still can't wrap my head around it.
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The E1 episodes on YA fiction do a pretty good job of summarizing why it's awful.
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Ravenfood posted:How in the gently caress did the Mass Effect: Andromeda tie in prequel books somehow pull in NK Jemisin and Catherynne Valente as authors? It's just such a weird mishmash of author quality and abandoned video game prequel novels that I still can't wrap my head around it. They were big Mass Effect fans! And then they had to work on Andromeda tie-ins!
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FPyat posted:Anyone read Viriconium? It's supposed to be a huge thing that Wolfe and Mieville were indebted to but I bounced off it quickly. As someone that loves Wolfe, Moorcock, Vance etc I have tried to read The Pastel City twice and tapped out both times. It's just bland, pulpy in a bad way, and frankly has more in common with Lin Carter's Conan pastiches than Moorcock's psychedelia.
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Sailor Viy posted:As someone that loves Wolfe, Moorcock, Vance etc I have tried to read The Pastel City twice and tapped out both times. It's just bland, pulpy in a bad way, and frankly has more in common with Lin Carter's Conan pastiches than Moorcock's psychedelia.
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thotsky posted:The E1 episodes on YA fiction do a pretty good job of summarizing why it's awful. Look, people getting bit by a dog and dying is certainly an overused trope but it's not reasonable to hold it against the entire genre
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There's also the adults perving on teenagers and endless Harry Potter ripoff bits.
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I feel like Locked Tomb is too loving confusing to be YA. Also too many swears. And very vivid depictions of gore. I guess I don't know what YA is anymore.
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A Proper Uppercut posted:I feel like Locked Tomb is too loving confusing to be YA. I can kinda see how you could apply YA to Gideon if you were of a mind, it's got a decent amount of YA tropes. Trying to apply the label to the second and third books is a pretty heroic stretch, though.
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Wolf Hall is YA. 
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Childhood's End is majorly YA
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Kazzah posted:Childhood's End is majorly YA i liked it about as much as most YA books so this tracks
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the ya baru cormorant she does start by being picked out for her gifts and attending a special school
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It feels like there's at least three different definitions of "YA" floating around this thread: (1) Books aimed at teens in general. (2) Books specifically marketed as "young adult". (3) Books engaging in a specific set of tropes popularized by Harry Potter and/or The Hunger Games, whether or not they're in categories 1 or 2 and regardless of what the expected age of the reader is.
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ToxicFrog posted:It feels like there's at least three different definitions of "YA" floating around this thread: (4) Wolf Hall
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I liked the YA books 'Chaos Walking' by Patrick Ness. I think they are the specific best example of a series that fits squarely in the YA category, even fits squarely in its modern form of 'a niche horribly warped by the perverse incentives created by a publishing industry that desperately wants safely packaged recreations of previous lightning-in-a-bottle hits ', while also being good and not bad?
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When does it go from children's lit to YA?
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Zurtilik posted:When does it go from children's lit to YA? the boundary between children's lit and YA is: in YA the characters are allowed to die messily. the boundary between YA and adult is: in adult fiction the characters are allowed to say "gently caress" more than once per book, and to say "titties" without using a weirdass fantasy substitute word like "glorgs".
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Zurtilik posted:When does it go from children's lit to YA?
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a computing pun posted:the boundary between children's lit and YA is: in YA the characters are allowed to die messily. Narnia is YA?
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Gaius Marius posted:Narnia is YA?
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Narnia good
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Narni-ya
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The Master and Margaritya
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Gaius Marius posted:Narnia good
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the deplorable wordfilter is censorship
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War & Peace is YA.
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There's gotta be one of those 3x3 charts for this
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I associate YA with a simple sentence structure and limited vocabulary, so eg Blake Crouch seems like YA to me.
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General Battuta posted:The Master and Margaritya Dhyalgren.
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silvergoose posted:There's gotta be one of those 3x3 charts for this Content scale and reading level scale.
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habeasdorkus posted:War & Peace is YA. Wyar and Pyace
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Gryadon Saunders
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The second and third Commonweal books absolutely fit the "YA is when these things are present" standard.
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tbh half the time when someone calls something YA without directly pointing to a shelf at a bookstore, they just mean a woman wrote it and they don't like it it's a useful marketing category but the only information it conveys is "can I give this to a high schooler"
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Two books in the Age of Madness series by Joe Abercrombie The Trouble with Peace (#2) - $4.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0847KH373/ The Wisdom of Crowds (#3) - $4.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08RYR6XY2/ Inhibitor Phase (Revelation Space) by Alistair Reynolds - $4.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08HLQV5ZG/ Season of Storms (Witcher #6) by Andrzej Sapkowski - $4.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075CT6XHW/ First two Codex Alera books by Jim Butcher Furies of Calderon (#1) - $1.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001DISRBC/ Academ's Fury (#2) - $2.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001L10YA8/ The Burning White (Lightbringer #5) by Brent Weeks - $4.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L2VT8QB/ Thin Air by Richard Morgan - $4.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0738K33YC/
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neongrey posted:it's a useful marketing category but the only information it conveys is "can I give this to a high schooler" what books are high school students not allowed to have
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ask their mom but usually it's based on how explicit the sex can be
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Didn’t stop my jr. high library from having a copy of Bio of a Space Tyrant Reading Piers Anthony’s chapter 1 gang rape scene featuring language like “purple-headed warrior” at 11 years old made me stop reading Piers Anthony forever right then and there, which is an overall positive though
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Is there any author more retroactively horrifying than piers Anthony
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