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Venomous posted:...how the poo poo did Italy not have the same kind of denazification as Germany after the war? they did, unfortunately
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Venomous posted:...how the poo poo did Italy not have the same kind of denazification as Germany after the war? our communist party used its only chance to be in government after the war to promote amnesty in the name of social reconciliation webcams for christ posted:they did, unfortunately
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Venomous posted:...how the poo poo did Italy not have the same kind of denazification as Germany after the war? The Partito Comunista Italiano were at worst the 2nd largest Communist party in Western Europe in 1945/6.
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You could draw parallels with Ukraine except the communists in Europe were seen as a greater threat than the Russia of today.
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webcams for christ posted:they did, unfortunately
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mortons stork posted:our communist party used its only chance to be in government after the war to promote amnesty in the name of social reconciliation assuming good faith with political opponents is unfortunately something that happens repeatedly with leftist parties (leftists are too nice). lenin knew the score here
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Sep 26, 2022 13:36
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Venomous posted:...how the poo poo did Italy not have the same kind of denazification as Germany after the war? The only areas purged of fascism were on the Soviet side and they were all reanimated in the 90s. The allies not only kept but financed and armed fascist powers in Iberia and Greece. Taking fascists away from power in Germany and Italy was a reluctant act. THS2 posted:assuming good faith with political opponents is unfortunately something that happens repeatedly with leftist parties (leftists are too nice). lenin knew the score here Even Lenin gave a lot of amnesty to what would very quickly become white army generals and officers as soon as the reds let them go in 1917.
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Sep 26, 2022 13:41
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Mr Hootington posted:Are you stupid? yes, but that doesn't answer the question This is a good watch, thank you
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Venomous posted:yes, but that doesn't answer the question To give you an idea of how thorough the western denazification was, only 24 out of thousands of captured Einsatzgruppen were ever put on trial, since that was how many fit in the court room at once. Out of those only four were executed, the rest were free men less than a decade later. They were responsible for the murders of more than two million civilians.
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Sep 26, 2022 19:01
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...gently caress.
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Also, as previously mentioned, look into Operation Gladio, Operation Paperclip and similar operations where ex-Nazis and fascists were re-patriated/glorified, as well as the fact that a bunch of the early leaders of NATO were ex-Nazis.
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can't believe the dude from SVU is a fascist
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Sep 26, 2022 20:39
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Read this for a different take on denazification: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleiburg_repatriations
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Venomous posted:...how the poo poo did Italy not have the same kind of denazification as Germany after the war? Italy wasn’t occupied by the Soviets.
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https://twitter.com/PADDYWILO71/status/1574017795121205249
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AnimeIsTrash posted:
italy's first big dork nerd idiot prime minister
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lmao that has to be satire
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Rosie Holt is good https://twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/status/1286214059226992641
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Carthag Tuek posted:lmao that has to be satire I should have known, she's too well spoken.
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also i guess "somebody" bombed the Nord Stream gas pipeline (between Russia and Germany). leaks were discovered yesterday, and now theyre saying seismographs picked up explosions danish defense has a video of the leak: https://www.forsvaret.dk/da/nyheder/2022/gaslakage-i-ostersoen/ Carthag Tuek has issued a correction as of 14:44 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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the only guy (america) who stands to benefit from this can't possibly do it right, and they definitely don't have the track record at screwing over their vassals either
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Palladium posted:the only guy (america) who stands to benefit from this can't possibly do it right, and they definitely don't have the track record at screwing over their vassals either It might've been the baltic states, known for being sensible and not being led by the grandsons of known Nazi collaborators.
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Palladium posted:the only guy (america) who stands to benefit from this can't possibly do it right, and they definitely don't have the track record at screwing over their vassals either The US stands to benefit economically the most by far. Every country particularly gung-ho about maintaining the sanctions also has a motive. I don’t see a motive for Russia. Or Germany for that matter.
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it was done by the swedes as a way to test the danish response
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It sure is weird how the main effect of this was is a giant sales orgy for American weapons and fossil fuels, with literally every other party being drastically impoverished, huh?
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icantfindaname posted:It sure is weird how the main effect of this was is a giant sales orgy for American weapons and fossil fuels, with literally every other party being drastically impoverished, huh? Sounds bullish for the USD
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icantfindaname posted:It sure is weird how the main effect of this was is a giant sales orgy for American weapons and fossil fuels, with literally every other party being drastically impoverished, huh? Not really.
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Orange Devil posted:The US stands to benefit economically the most by far. Every country particularly gung-ho about maintaining the sanctions also has a motive. I don’t see a motive for Russia. Or Germany for that matter. Also biden said he would take nordstream off the table months ago, also us ships were in the area, also flew helicopters along the path of the pipe, also... https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1574764007126441984?s=20&t=p5rlsj0EsxOTnNWds3DnCw
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lol it's absolutely in the US' best interest for this to happen. very intersting!
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nordstream must be destroyed
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Yes because you blow up a pipeline with aircraft, not submarines. The notion that the US blew the pipelines is utterly preposterous, get a grip please.
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spankmeister posted:Yes because you blow up a pipeline with aircraft, not submarines. https://twitter.com/radeksikorski/status/1574800653724966915 
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its only about 60-70m deep, just get a couple limpet mines down there not saying they did without more info, but you could do that from a chopper
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spankmeister posted:Yes because you blow up a pipeline with aircraft, not submarines. Yeah, the US actually wants Germany to conclude a separate peace with Russia. It's good to them
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If we look past all the posturing, Russia is hosed if they can’t sell their gas to Europe. Also, it’s not like you can close the tap, as far as I know, you use it or lose it. So who could’ve benefited from this attack, someone that is an enemy of Russia and is not directly affected if Germany runs out of gas, hmmm?
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Carthag Tuek posted:its only about 60-70m deep, just get a couple limpet mines down there According to that Twitter guy, the us was also testing underwater drones nearby
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:If we look past all the posturing, Russia is hosed if they can’t sell their gas to Europe. Also, it’s not like you can close the tap, as far as I know, you use it or lose it. So who could’ve benefited from this attack, someone that is an enemy of Russia and is not directly affected if Germany runs out of gas, hmmm? In the longer term they can sell their gas on the world market which due to the magic of the invisible hand will get them the same revenue even with Europe sanctioning them. Unless Europe builds a bunch of new nuclear plants, they're going to have to buy fossil fuels externally, and that will bid up the price and allow Russia to make the same money by selling to those third parties. You're just added a step or two icantfindaname has issued a correction as of 22:07 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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spankmeister posted:Yes because you blow up a pipeline with aircraft, not submarines. Yeah, the US would never do anything to stop Nord Stream 2 that's crazy talk. https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/1208225259016671232 Nord Stream 2: Trump approves sanctions on Russia gas pipeline quote:President Donald Trump has signed a law that will impose sanctions on any firm that helps Russia's state-owned gas company, Gazprom, finish a pipeline into the European Union. https://mwi.usma.edu/a-blast-from-the-past-the-role-of-maritime-sabotage-in-strategic-competition/ quote:A Blast from the Past? The Role of Maritime Sabotage in Strategic Competition
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