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I do not remember who it was, but the Rock beat somebody with just a People's Elbow and it made the people I was watching with ask what that guy did to piss people off backstage I want to say Scott 2 lovely... Hahahaha leaving that autocorrect I want to say Scotty 2 Hotty but why would they be wrestling each other in the first place?
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IIRC the first guy to be pinned by it was Mark Henry
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Sep 27, 2022 01:29
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Lunatic Sledge posted:he could just go for the pin, but that wouldn't be... electrifying
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Sep 27, 2022 01:37
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Dr. Quarex posted:I want to say Scotty 2 Hotty but why would they be wrestling each other in the first place? RAW:Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, Triple H & X-Pac defeat Cactus Jack, Rikishi Phatu, The Rock & Too Cool is apparently the only match to feature both Scotty And The Rock outside of rumbles. So thats neat I guess. as far as People Elbow finishers go, they're pretty rare. I can find two though. The Rock d CM Punk Royal Rumble 2013 via peoples elbow. Rock and Sock Connection d TakerShow via dual peoples elbow
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Sep 27, 2022 02:18
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Huh, thanks. I remember it as a powerful finisher but memory is fallible
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Sep 27, 2022 02:24
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he usually did the People's Elbow right after the Rock Bottom, too, which further muddies any elbow-based victories against Hogan he did two Rock Bottoms, then the elbow like Scotty 2 Hotty would probably be dead long before the elbow dropped
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Sep 27, 2022 02:42
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Well yeah, even the stress of being about to perform the worm nearly killed him, based on his facial expressions
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Sep 27, 2022 02:50
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The Rock Bottom was only deadly when Rock was doing a run-in. Then it could just instantly knock anybody out. Stone Cold could do this to three or four guys in a row with the Stunner. Don't ask me to explain the system math behind it, it's a very specific build.
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Sep 27, 2022 02:54
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, I've heard that as well. He was one of the weird examples of Vince Loyalty like his limo driver who's in the Hall of Fame and other folks who were set up for life. That said I also buy the explanation Dunn's bullied his way to the point where only he can do his job, either by getting rid of people who could do his job better (so basically anybody) or nobody wants to put up with him. He had the weird loyalty thing from the beginning because of his dad saving three weeks' worth of TV from the burning car. HHH and Stephanie didn't dump him immediately as expected because it would be rocking the boat unnecessarily with a major executive. And yes, there are absolutely people who have worked in WWE who are convinced that the WWE production style has become so complicated as a deliberate tactic on his part to make himself irreplaceable. And BTW, the clear up a popular misconception: He's not the director and never has been. On top of his executive office role and his executive producer role, he functions as the line producer during TV shoots.
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Sep 27, 2022 03:11
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The only thing that makes me think the 'Dunn has made himself irreplaceable' thing is bullshit is, like, if his way of doing things is too complicated for anyone else to do... wouldn't the new person just do things their way/the way anyone else in that role would instead? Like, if they hired Keith Mitchell in that role, wouldn't Keith just do things his way?
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Sep 27, 2022 03:57
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Gaz-L posted:The only thing that makes me think the 'Dunn has made himself irreplaceable' thing is bullshit is, like, if his way of doing things is too complicated for anyone else to do... wouldn't the new person just do things their way/the way anyone else in that role would instead? Like, if they hired Keith Mitchell in that role, wouldn't Keith just do things his way? He's not literally irreplacable, he just made the culture in WWE's production department weird and finnicky and a pain in the rear end to take apart and put back together if they wanted someone else to take over and change things. You know, like everything else about WWE's work culture.
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Sep 27, 2022 04:07
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Defenestrategy posted:as far as People Elbow finishers go, they're pretty rare. I can find two though. Rock retained the title at SummerSlam 2000 by People's Elbowing HHH, though that triple-threat was all sorts of delightfully overbooked and at that point Hunter had been bonked with the sledgehammer by Angle if memory serves
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Sep 27, 2022 04:23
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davidbix posted:And BTW, the clear up a popular misconception: He's not the director and never has been. On top of his executive office role and his executive producer role, he functions as the line producer during TV shoots. Who ever is in charge of camera cuts should be fired, and anyone who looked at the camera production and thought it looked good should be sent to an ophthalmologist and then fired.
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Sep 27, 2022 05:22
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Defenestrategy posted:RAW:Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Perry Saturn, Triple H & X-Pac defeat Cactus Jack, Rikishi Phatu, The Rock & Too Cool is apparently the only match to feature both Scotty And The Rock outside of rumbles. So thats neat I guess. That's the one where Kane comes back with Paul Bearer and promptly beats the piss out of the Radicalz and D-X, IIRC. Rock, Foley, Too Cool, Rikishi and Kane along with Paul Bearer being a quasi-faction is really wild when you think about it.
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D.N. Nation posted:Rock retained the title at SummerSlam 2000 by People's Elbowing HHH, though that triple-threat was all sorts of delightfully overbooked and at that point Hunter had been bonked with the sledgehammer by Angle if memory serves I don't remember the Summerslam match too well outside of the table break accident but I do remember Rock beating HHH for the title at Backlash a few months earlier with the People's Elbow (although that did have Austin chairshotting HHH twice beforehand). He also beat Rikishi with it at Survivor Series that year.
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Sep 27, 2022 11:13
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Has there ever been a tag team or stable that mixed faces and heels, besides things like two singles wrestlers being lumped together for an angle? Sure, wrestlers would go face and heel all the time and leave their group but did one exist that maintained the difference?
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Sep 27, 2022 13:20
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has there ever been a tag team or stable that mixed faces and heels, besides things like two singles wrestlers being lumped together for an angle? Sting & Lex Luger? Sting was a clear face, he thought Luger was a good guy but Luger was a bit dastardly at times, but was always good to his friend Sting.
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Sep 27, 2022 13:33
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Death Triangle has the Lucha Bros who are permafaces, and PAC who heavily leans heel
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forkboy84 posted:Sting & Lex Luger? Sting was a clear face, he thought Luger was a good guy but Luger was a bit dastardly at times, but was always good to his friend Sting. We never did get a payoff to that years-long storyline, did we?
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Sep 27, 2022 13:44
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has there ever been a tag team or stable that mixed faces and heels, besides things like two singles wrestlers being lumped together for an angle? Whatever is going on with Swerve and Keith Lee for the past couple of months
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Sep 27, 2022 13:52
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has there ever been a tag team or stable that mixed faces and heels, besides things like two singles wrestlers being lumped together for an angle? Dasher Hatfield (face) and Mr. Touchdown (heel) in Chikara did a pretty good job with this dynamic.
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Sep 27, 2022 13:58
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oh yeah Aron Stevens (heel) and The Question Mark (face, rip josephus) did a great great job with that dynamic in pre-pandemic NWA
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The obvious angle for that is a double turn as both members slowly grow and learn to appreciate the other's style.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:He's not literally irreplacable, he just made the culture in WWE's production department weird and finnicky and a pain in the rear end to take apart and put back together if they wanted someone else to take over and change things. You know, like everything else about WWE's work culture.
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, it's not so much that doing things differently would be a technical challenge, but that getting rid of Dunn means gutting and replacing an entire department, which is a much bigger ask than firing a department head that nobody likes. Yeah, once a department or company grows beyond a certain point, it's very difficult to get their particular culture to change how things are done. Doubly so if the person replacing the department head is an external hire. It's not impossible; as an example, Games Workshop had to replace their CEO a few years back, and the replacement almost immediately started changing how they did things in terms of engaging with customers and particularly the gaming press and social media (the previous CEO had been rather "isolationist" in that regard). But that guy had been a longtime GW employee who was promoted. I don't think WWE has anyone they could promote internally to do Dunn's job, or at the very least they're not in a big hurry to do so even if there is a potentially good candidate for the role.
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Halloween Jack posted:Yeah, it's not so much that doing things differently would be a technical challenge, but that getting rid of Dunn means gutting and replacing an entire department, which is a much bigger ask than firing a department head that nobody likes. Yeah, there's like a billion producers looking for work in Hollywood. All WWE needs to do is ask any of their contacts at Fox/NBC for a reccomendation and they'd get a list of candidates to pick from with whatever experience they want (if they want sports guys, drama/sitcom guys, etc). And places like Full Sail pump out enough new peeps that they could restart the department easily with people who are technically proficient. The problem is probably that things are probably set up in a crazy manner that everything is just catalogued in Dunn's brain or with a crazy system that only he knows so no one can find anything or they use some lovely proprietary products and software that only 3 people in the world remember how to program for and it would take a long time/money/efot to migrate.
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pseudodragon posted:Yeah, there's like a billion producers looking for work in Hollywood. All WWE needs to do is ask any of their contacts at Fox/NBC for a reccomendation and they'd get a list of candidates to pick from with whatever experience they want (if they want sports guys, drama/sitcom guys, etc). And places like Full Sail pump out enough new peeps that they could restart the department easily with people who are technically proficient. The problem is he's one of the highest executives in the company and is not going to go willingly.
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Penguin Patrol posted:Death Triangle has the Lucha Bros who are permafaces, and PAC who heavily leans heel Death Triangle has Fenix who is face aligned, PAC who is heel aligned, and Penta who is skeleton man aligned
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pseudodragon posted:Yeah, there's like a billion producers looking for work in Hollywood. All WWE needs to do is ask any of their contacts at Fox/NBC for a reccomendation and they'd get a list of candidates to pick from with whatever experience they want (if they want sports guys, drama/sitcom guys, etc). And places like Full Sail pump out enough new peeps that they could restart the department easily with people who are technically proficient. Pure speculation on my part, but I'm guessing if they forced Dunn out, any external hire is either going to have to fire a bunch of the existing production staff (and have near-immediate replacements for them on standby), or else try to do their best to learn and navigate the existing operational culture and deliberate institutional problems Dunn has set up in place to ensure that he can't be replaced easily. Which is not something any sane producer wants to have to do when they're coming in to take over the reins of having to produce weekly TV programs that don't have an off-season.
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Sep 27, 2022 15:53
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Why did WCW waste that bomb rear end entrance music on Jerry Flynn?
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LionYeti posted:Death Triangle has Fenix who is face aligned, PAC who is heel aligned, and Penta who is skeleton man aligned No lies detected
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Has there ever been a tag team or stable that mixed faces and heels, besides things like two singles wrestlers being lumped together for an angle? Bullet Club and Suzuki-gun at various times probably fit your criteria.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Why did WCW waste that bomb rear end entrance music on Jerry Flynn? Maybe nobody else wanted to walk to the ring to a Boston song? It's just this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ42CLtr7Jg
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MrBling posted:Maybe nobody else wanted to walk to the ring to a Boston song? Oh yeah I assumed it was a rip off/instrumental of a real song because it's WCW.
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Oh yeah I assumed it was a rip off/instrumental of a real song because it's WCW. also, it wasn't quite wasted because Jerry Lynn also got to use the song. Possibly because whoever was in charge of the music assumed they were the same guy.
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if Boston rip offs are good enough for Final Fantasy 7 then they're good enough for WCW
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Pope Corky the IX posted:We never did get a payoff to that years-long storyline, did we? We sort of did with the blowoff of the nWo Sting angle. The real Sting came out the next night after Fall Brawl 96 and delivered the free agent promo, specifically mentioning how he gave Luger countless chances despite everything Luger’s done and said. Luger not believing him when he said he wasn’t nWo was the last straw, and he got fed up with both him and WCW outright.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Pure speculation on my part, but I'm guessing if they forced Dunn out, any external hire is either going to have to fire a bunch of the existing production staff (and have near-immediate replacements for them on standby), or else try to do their best to learn and navigate the existing operational culture and deliberate institutional problems Dunn has set up in place to ensure that he can't be replaced easily. Which is not something any sane producer wants to have to do when they're coming in to take over the reins of having to produce weekly TV programs that don't have an off-season. Wouldn't how much stock I assume Dunn owes also be a factor? It may be too expensive to buy him out.
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Dawgstar posted:Wouldn't how much stock I assume Dunn owes also be a factor? It may be too expensive to buy him out. As a publicly traded company it doesn’t matter how much stock Dunn owns. They fire him tomorrow and what? He sells? He’d be one of thousands, and if it was enough to move the stock price the dip would be normalized over time. I imagine it’s the stress load of running 3x weekly shows with no down time that turns most people off, now try to find 2 or 3 of them to cover all the shows. That’s probably where the real issue is, how many people would be needed in the near to middle term to replace Dunn. Not like WWE has historically had any formalized succession plans.
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Nystral posted:As a publicly traded company it doesn’t matter how much stock Dunn owns. They fire him tomorrow and what? He sells? He’d be one of thousands, and if it was enough to move the stock price the dip would be normalized over time. One thing that I just thought of that they could potentially do, would be to start slowly outsourcing their TV production to an outside production company. Like start with NXT, then gradually phase Dunn out more and more until the external company is handling most of the production duties. That would give them a reason to eventually cut Dunn loose (as they would have effectively eliminated his position) and just have someone in a position as the executive liaison between WWE and whatever company. The downsides to that idea, of course, are finding a production company with all the talent and experience necessary to handle doing a weekly wrestling show on the scale of WWE that isn't also already tied up doing other live sporting event shows, and also showing that the costs of outsourcing WWE's TV production would be outweighed by the money saved from not having to pay Dunn (and most of his staff) a salary anymore.
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