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Lager posted:I just can't get over the realization that this news item is coming courtesy of the Bigfoot sex book congressman. Are you loving kidding me. ETA: ok, it’s not what we think. Interesting story though. The Washington Post posted:
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Are we gonna find out exactly who was on the White House end of the phone call?
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What’s a good podcast to keep up with this stuff that’s more on “just the facts” and less on speculation and hopium?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Are we gonna find out exactly who was on the White House end of the phone call? Someone who inevitably was just grabbing coffee for the administration.
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Boris Galerkin posted:What’s a good podcast to keep up with this stuff that’s more on “just the facts” and less on speculation and hopium? Opening Arguments is quite good IMO. They were a bit optimistic during the Mueller investigation but lately Andrew's been pretty spot on with e.g. how the 11th Circuit isn't going to buy Trump's bullshit even though it's a conservative court, etc. https://openargs.com/
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Sep 25, 2022 14:53
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Oracle posted:Yeah this feels rather coordinated. Why this guy and why now right before the hearing? I’m with the ‘drum up interest’ faction. ‘The call was coming from inside the (White) House’ is classic plot even the dumbest most tuned out non-voter knows and it’s a great teaser. Self-enrichment. He wrote a book about his time on the Jan 6 committee (he quit the committee in April), and the book is coming out the day before the final hearing. He's in the "drum up interest by dropping a few salacious details in the news media" phase of a political tell-all book release. That is what he's drumming up interest for.
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Sep 25, 2022 17:21
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mobby_6kl posted:Opening Arguments is quite good IMO. They were a bit optimistic during the Mueller investigation but lately Andrew's been pretty spot on with e.g. how the 11th Circuit isn't going to buy Trump's bullshit even though it's a conservative court, etc. https://openargs.com/ There's also Cleanup on Aisle 45 which also includes said Andrew. The other co-host was even more optimistic about Mueller, but she's also a big policy nerd, and the two shows generally focus on different aspects of the news even if they often cover the same story. https://mswmedia.com/show/clean-up-on-aisle-45/
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Sep 25, 2022 17:36
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Main Paineframe posted:Self-enrichment. He wrote a book about his time on the Jan 6 committee (he quit the committee in April), and the book is coming out the day before the final hearing. He's in the "drum up interest by dropping a few salacious details in the news media" phase of a political tell-all book release. That is what he's drumming up interest for. Yeah I saw this earlier today, sigh.
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drat. Not another coffee boy
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Fuschia tude posted:There's also Cleanup on Aisle 45 which also includes said Andrew. The other co-host was even more optimistic about Mueller, but she's also a big policy nerd, and the two shows generally focus on different aspects of the news even if they often cover the same story. https://mswmedia.com/show/clean-up-on-aisle-45/ Both of those and I add in Lawfare podcast (Brookings institute) when they have Jan 06 related conversations. Occasionally they have some other interesting topic but the majority of their policy stuff is too dry even for me. Edit: when they talk Eastern European politics with the former president of Estonia(? I think, president of one of those) those are a good listen. Edit2: they have enough clout to get very good panelists for their discussions, like heads of government departments and former high ranking members of government or recognized top thinkers so it usually worth a listen if the topic is interesting. Murgos fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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Sep 25, 2022 21:10
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mobby_6kl posted:Opening Arguments is quite good IMO. They were a bit optimistic during the Mueller investigation but lately Andrew's been pretty spot on with e.g. how the 11th Circuit isn't going to buy Trump's bullshit even though it's a conservative court, etc. https://openargs.com/ National Security Law is pretty good if you want the strictly legal aspects of what's going on, but they don't update often.
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Boris Galerkin posted:What’s a good podcast to keep up with this stuff that’s more on “just the facts” and less on speculation and hopium? Anything Preet Bharera is good. Like the Cafe Insider podcast.
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Nail this sleazy motherfucker to the wall. https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1574392573980020737?t=vkwRZclwmh9GuF7QazpmHA&s=19
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I enjoy that the turnaround time there is supposed to be two business *hours* from the time of subpoena, lmao
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Nail this sleazy motherfucker to the wall. Do they have recordings of him doing some low down stuff or something? Subpoenaed on Saturday to show up Monday seems to be a very short turnaround time. Are they trying to get info before the hearing on the 29th?
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Sep 26, 2022 16:14
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Meatball posted:Do they have recordings of him doing some low down stuff or something? Subpoenaed on Saturday to show up Monday seems to be a very short turnaround time. It's gotta be for the hearing. The subpoena says it was "publicly reported", implying they don't have any secret insider evidence yet. The last paragraph seems to just be asking nicely; "hey since Trump called you a piece of poo poo for not breaking your state constitution and endorsed your political opponent, you wanna explain what he asked you to do?"
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Judge Schnoopy posted:It's gotta be for the hearing. The subpoena says it was "publicly reported", implying they don't have any secret insider evidence yet. The last paragraph seems to just be asking nicely; "hey since Trump called you a piece of poo poo for not breaking your state constitution and endorsed your political opponent, you wanna explain what he asked you to do?" Vos is a weasel who would still happily clean Trump's rear end in a top hat with his tounge if asked. Source: am from Wisconsin
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Sep 26, 2022 18:40
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Are we gonna find out exactly who was on the White House end of the phone call? It was apparently only a 9 second conversation which suggests there probably wasn't a lot of detailed instructions going back and forth.
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Sep 26, 2022 20:06
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Epicurius posted:It was apparently only a 9 second conversation which suggests there probably wasn't a lot of detailed instructions going back and forth. "National Guard is deploying" would fit the timeframe. Most likely it's a nothingburger but I could see something coming out of it yet.
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Sep 26, 2022 20:09
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mdemone posted:"National Guard is deploying" would fit the timeframe. Them having the number at all is suspicious as hell though. Even if it was a social call, apropos of nothing asking about how the person's mom is doing, why the hell do you have the random rioter's number.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Them having the number at all is suspicious as hell though. Even if it was a social call, apropos of nothing asking about how the person's mom is doing, why the hell do you have the random rioter's number. Saw something about Lunyk being a Russian immigrant BUT I'm not sure the reporting is accurate. He's cooperated in his J6 case and got off with probation, so it's possible there's a relatively benign explanation. We know how that sort of thing goes, though. Watch him turn out to be FSB or whatever. Edit: to be clear I have zero reason to believe that.
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Epicurius posted:It was apparently only a 9 second conversation which suggests there probably wasn't a lot of detailed instructions going back and forth. Could have been to relay a message, as a text could have been traced. Unless there was a wiretap, all they know within investigation is that the call actually happened. If it was someone high up in the White House I could see them calling and relaying a sort message.
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I think the important question is why would a call from the White House go to some random J6’er ? I don’t care if it was a 3 second phone call, someone had that nerd’s number for a reason.
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There was absolutely some kind of coordinated conspiracy between Trump loyalists in government and J6 people. There were people in Congress and the White House (and the SC if Clarence Thomas was working directly with Ginny) who were actively planning to have their colleagues murdered in order to install Trump in a coup. Turns out they were all too incompetent to make sure it happened. The only question is how deep it goes, who's involved, and how much of this can/will actually be brought to light, imo.
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Professor Beetus posted:There was absolutely some kind of coordinated conspiracy between Trump loyalists in government and J6 people. There were people in Congress and the White House (and the SC if Clarence Thomas was working directly with Ginny) who were actively planning to have their colleagues murdered in order to install Trump in a coup. Turns out they were all too incompetent to make sure it happened. The only question is how deep it goes, who's involved, and how much of this can/will actually be brought to light, imo. Yeah. Remember this on Jan 4th? It was definitely pre-planned and coordinated with Trump folks. https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1346226937568645121
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Vos is a weasel who would still happily clean Trump's rear end in a top hat with his tounge if asked. Am too from Wisconsin, will say that we may have the 3rd worst Republicans who are, if given the legal opportunity, will completely dismantle this state into the next Alabama hellhole. To go from the reliably blue state that voted against the patriot act to where we are now… If you all only see what they’ve been doing to Mandela Barnes.
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Check the phone records for calls to that number in the month before.Epicurius posted:It was apparently only a 9 second conversation which suggests there probably wasn't a lot of detailed instructions going back and forth. If it's an explicit, anticipated call (with caller id), it can be much more direct: "Epicurius? (Yeah) We been informed that the national guard has been called and will begin arrests at the capitol, leave now. (click)"
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Inner Light posted:I am expecting this will be a nothing burger just like everything Trump consequence related for the last 7 years, a handful of low level lackey prison time notwithstanding. Hey folks, haven't checked into the thread in a while. Has anything Mattered since the raid of MAL yet? e: lol, I had fun looking through some history back in here. I can't believe the raid of MAL was on August 8, I feel like it was years ago at this point Inner Light fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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Automata 10 Pack posted:Am too from Wisconsin, will say that we may have the 3rd worst Republicans who are, if given the legal opportunity, will completely dismantle this state into the next Alabama hellhole. Could you or another Wisconsinner give the whistle stop version of what the hell happened over there? I’m half the country away and I have no real foundation in your local politics, but I noticed the shift even from here and I never understood what changed. From random snippets it seems like you went from pretty progressive for the Midwest to Silver Legion 2.0 in like a week when I wasn’t looking.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:Am too from Wisconsin, will say that we may have the 3rd worst Republicans who are, if given the legal opportunity, will completely dismantle this state into the next Alabama hellhole. I see it every day. My kids are even subjected to it when we let them watch YouTube videos.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Could you or another Wisconsinner give the whistle stop version of what the hell happened over there? I’m half the country away and I have no real foundation in your local politics, but I noticed the shift even from here and I never understood what changed. From random snippets it seems like you went from pretty progressive for the Midwest to Silver Legion 2.0 in like a week when I wasn’t looking. QAnon claimed the farmer boys, Fox News radicalized anyone not around Madison or Milwaukee, and suburbs started pearl clutching about minorities in their backyard. Oh and the sane people flocked into densely populated areas which were then gerrymandered to hell and back, disenfranchising a shitload of democrat votes Judge Schnoopy fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Sep 27, 2022 |
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Check the phone records for calls to that number in the month before. That's where I am on it. As I stated before, a text would be easily traced, but you couldn't know what was said in that call unless you had a wiretap.
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Inner Light posted:Hey folks, haven't checked into the thread in a while. Has anything Mattered since the raid of MAL yet? They just released another list, ever so slightly more detailed, of what was found and where it was found. https://pacer-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/42/618763/051125111467.pdf
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Xiahou Dun posted:Could you or another Wisconsinner give the whistle stop version of what the hell happened over there? I’m half the country away and I have no real foundation in your local politics, but I noticed the shift even from here and I never understood what changed. From random snippets it seems like you went from pretty progressive for the Midwest to Silver Legion 2.0 in like a week when I wasn’t looking. It was the 2010 backlash to Obama's election + redistricting year that let the GOP take control and gerrymander to keep it. The state supreme court is also a 4-3 conservative majority, thought this can (and will hopefully) change in the spring election.
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Fitzsimons, known for his bloody face in photos and one of the original users of the "convict me? For storming the capitol and committing multiple assaults? But I was lied to!" defense, had an utterly predictable, selfinflicted, very bad day. It's a long one, but really that's his fault, not mine: https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574769487035113472 https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574769924069007361 https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574771660980637699 https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574773446264819712 https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574776625387819010 Note to aspiring coupttorneys: If state of mind is an essential element in your affirmative defense... this is maybe not the right way to defend it (also, his sole good news of the day: in this one instance he's got assault but not bodily injury) https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574779783421915137 https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574781756808364034 https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574783162948800512 A note here that he repeatedly left messages at Golden's office in the days leading up to the assault, which made this one of the easier verdicts you'll see: https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574785310898036737 https://mobile.twitter.com/sfoguj/status/1574786161356046337
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Seems like he's going away for a while  Here's the thread unrolled: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1574766865674825740.html
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mdemone posted:They just released another list, ever so slightly more detailed, of what was found and where it was found. Thanks, I will dig into this when I have some time. It sounds like the answer to wondering if anything has Mattered since the raid of MAL is a resounding "no". Here's hoping that changes sometime in the next year or two, maybe? I'm trying to do better than CSPAM style posting here, I assure you I am legitimately interested 
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So in terms of Big New Revelations, no. But in terms of Mattering, I think the fact that Trump hasn't been finding traction beyond Chudge Cannon is something that Matters. The DoJ's request for a stay of part of Cannon's decree was granted unanimously and comprehensively by a panel that was majority-Trump apointees. The Special Master that his team nominated has been Actually Doing His Job. The system is, for the time being, Working.
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https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1574841926234378257 Tomorrow's hearing is postponed due to Hurricane Ian.
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Edward Mass posted:https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1574841926234378257 Slightly sad, but also it's politicians reacting to a real problem and at least nominally doing something about it so uh yeah, no, do more of that, folks.
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