Vic Mignogna is legally a piece of shit and the terrible SLAPP lawsuit

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TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Dawgstar posted:

Oh, fun fact, it's been a while since the beginning of this mess feels like an eon ago but as I recall Vic went to actual defamation lawyers first who were all "lol, no."

even a first-year law student knows it isn�t defamatory if it�s true

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# ? May 29, 2024 00:49

MechaX: Nov 19, 2011; "Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"

Namtab posted:

A real lawyer would probably have taken the case, but would also have done their job properly.

Nah, even that wasn't the case. Even if it would have made it past the Anti-SLAPP part of the litigation, I'm betting the defamation attorneys Vic went to told him that he would likely lose on a Summary Judgment motion because these facts are not that great. But Vic probably didn't like that, started huffing his own supply of "I want to be proven innocent!!!" and alas, he's in the loving out-of-his-depth embrace of Ty Beard.

And it's hilarious that never at one point did Vic actually ever question Ty's competence at defamation proceedings (hell, Vic could file a complaint about Ty with the Texas Bar Association tomorrow and they'd probably look into this even now, because he only sought help from outside counsel well past the point where he already made multiple hosed up filings).

MechaX fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Sep 28, 2022

# ? Sep 28, 2022 03:37

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

MechaX posted:

And it's hilarious that never at one point did Vic actually ever question Ty's competence at defamation proceedings (hell, Vic could file a complaint about Ty with the Texas Bar Association tomorrow and they'd probably look into this even now, because he only sought help from outside counsel well past the point where he already made multiple hosed up filings).

Yeah, Vic exists in that coveted upper middle class white man state where everything has been taken care of for him his entire life and he has only the most vaguest understanding of how things work. A lawyer told him it would work out, he'd just have to pay, so he paid and Vic is probably very puzzled why he didn't get everything he wanted.

# ? Sep 28, 2022 04:15

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

MechaX posted:

Nah, even that wasn't the case. Even if it would have made it past the Anti-SLAPP part of the litigation, I'm betting the defamation attorneys Vic went to told him that he would likely lose on a Summary Judgment motion because these facts are not that great. But Vic probably didn't like that, started huffing his own supply of "I want to be proven innocent!!!" and alas, he's in the loving out-of-his-depth embrace of Ty Beard.

And it's hilarious that never at one point did Vic actually ever question Ty's competence at defamation proceedings (hell, Vic could file a complaint about Ty with the Texas Bar Association tomorrow and they'd probably look into this even now, because he only sought help from outside counsel well past the point where he already made multiple hosed up filings).

an experienced/competent plaintiff's litigator would absolutely have taken the case, but would have immediately tried to talk Vic out of going any further after all the evidence of his awful reputation kept turning up. however, it seems like a lot of the case wasn't even motivated by what Vic (the actual client?!) wanted, but more about what culture war grievances would keep the sex pest aficionados sending nick money. the only way any attorney can get in actual trouble with the bar association is if they mishandle client trust accounts, and I think even Ty is smart enough to follow the rules there. however, as the ALAB guys said, I'd rather have the odds of a malpractice claim against Ty/Nick than the odds of Vic's case on appeal/en banc.

Dawgstar posted:

A lawyer told him it would work out, he'd just have to pay, so he paid and Vic is probably very puzzled why he didn't get everything he wanted.

he really, really got taken in by Nick's hype and the "turn-key" lawsuit. Nick/Ty had the money, the cause, and the "case" before they ever had the client on board. Nick absolutely scammed everyone, but especially Vic. couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Vic would already be back doing cons and getting work if he just laid low for all this time instead.

TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Sep 28, 2022

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Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

MechaX posted:

Nah, even that wasn't the case. Even if it would have made it past the Anti-SLAPP part of the litigation, I'm betting the defamation attorneys Vic went to told him that he would likely lose on a Summary Judgment motion because these facts are not that great. But Vic probably didn't like that, started huffing his own supply of "I want to be proven innocent!!!" and alas, he's in the loving out-of-his-depth embrace of Ty Beard.

And it's hilarious that never at one point did Vic actually ever question Ty's competence at defamation proceedings (hell, Vic could file a complaint about Ty with the Texas Bar Association tomorrow and they'd probably look into this even now, because he only sought help from outside counsel well past the point where he already made multiple hosed up filings).

He�d hopefully have had the same result with competent legal support, but he wouldn�t have burned goodwill with the judge with e.g. late submissions

# ? Sep 28, 2022 08:46

MechaX: Nov 19, 2011; "Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"

TenementFunster posted:

the only way any attorney can get in actual trouble with the bar association is if they mishandle client trust accounts

Commingling or misappropriating client funds is the easiest way to get the bar association on your rear end, but to say that this is the only way is absolutely not true at all.

Hell, the attorney I replaced when I first started practicing got the hammer dropped on him years later for lack of communication and competence alone (although, what would have been a probation or admonishment for anyone else turned into a flat out disbarment because he was loving up child custody cases for lack of responsiveness or just not knowing what he was doing for at least 4 clients).

MechaX fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Sep 28, 2022

# ? Sep 28, 2022 12:56

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MechaX posted:

Commingling or misappropriating client funds is the easiest way to get the bar association on your rear end, but to say that this is the only way is absolutely not true at all.

Hell, the attorney I replaced when I first started practicing got the hammer dropped on him years for lack of communication and competence alone (although, what would have been a probation or admonishment for anyone else turned into a flat out disbarment because he was loving up child custody cases for lack of responsiveness or just not knowing what he was doing for at least 4 clients).

I can see why they'd be harsher on that than like property line case involving where a fence is.

# ? Sep 28, 2022 13:06

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

MechaX posted:

Commingling or misappropriating client funds is the easiest way to get the bar association on your rear end, but to say that this is the only way is absolutely not true at all.

Hell, the attorney I replaced when I first started practicing got the hammer dropped on him years later for lack of communication and competence alone (although, what would have been a probation or admonishment for anyone else turned into a flat out disbarment because he was loving up child custody cases for lack of responsiveness or just not knowing what he was doing for at least 4 clients).

yeah, figuratively only, not literally only. it is really, really hard to get straight-up disbarred for incompetence. i've only heard personal knowledge of two or three other cases besides the one you mentioned. even Ty/Nick do not meet that standard. hell, i doubt they'll even get sanctioned even after straight-up lying to a judge about notarizations and loving up their "actual" client's own interests/career in such a magnificently huge fashion. vic is an idiot if he at least doesn't try to make a malpractice claim for the way ty and nick put the grift over their de jure client.

# ? Sep 28, 2022 21:19

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# ? Sep 30, 2022 06:49

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

Now that the appellate court case is finalized, they can try to appeal to SCoTX or just finally take the L and move on.

# ? Sep 30, 2022 12:38

Dawgstar: Jul 15, 2017

Mr. Nice! posted:

Now that the appellate court case is finalized, they can try to appeal to SCoTX or just finally take the L and move on.

Is the SCoTX crazy enough to care? Genuine question.

# ? Sep 30, 2022 17:27

MechaX: Nov 19, 2011; "Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"

Mr. Nice! posted:

Now that the appellate court case is finalized, they can try to appeal to SCoTX or just finally take the L and move on.

I would absolutely not put it past Nick/Ty to start making a bunch of constitutional arguments to try their luck at the US Supreme Court if (when) they get blown up across Texas should they try and likely fail appeal to the Texas SC

It won�t work but it�ll be funny

MechaX fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Sep 30, 2022

# ? Sep 30, 2022 18:54

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Mr. Nice! posted:

Now that the appellate court case is finalized, they can try to appeal to SCoTX or just finally take the L and move on.

what does your heart tell you

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Kurui Reiten: Apr 24, 2010

MORE BILLABLE HOURS! MORE BILLABLE HOURS!

# ? Sep 30, 2022 19:43

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Is Vic seriously still paying them

# ? Sep 30, 2022 19:52

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

Dawgstar posted:

Is the SCoTX crazy enough to care? Genuine question.

Almost certainly not. The SCOTUS won�t give a gently caress, either.

# ? Sep 30, 2022 20:19

Can Of Worms: Sep 4, 2011; That's not how the Triangle Attack works...

Alan Smithee posted:

Is Vic seriously still paying them

Vic never paid them, it was always funded by his fanbase; and yes, they're still giving money to them despite everything that happened. That's why he tried to get an en banc review, to give the illusion that there's still a chance so that the fans keep giving them money.

# ? Sep 30, 2022 21:17

ninjewtsu: Oct 9, 2012

yeah vic gets to pay damages but not the lawyers - that's probably why this got so far, the lawsuit was "free" so why would vic look closely at any of it

# ? Sep 30, 2022 21:27

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Can Of Worms posted:

Vic never paid them, it was always funded by his fanbase; and yes, they're still giving money to them despite everything that happened. That's why he tried to get an en banc review, to give the illusion that there's still a chance so that the fans keep giving them money.

it's even more attenuated than that, isn't it? my impression was Nick raised all the money/outrage/profile for Vic before he ever met Vic and basically approached him with the pitch, "I raised this huge war chest for your cause on youtube. I have a real winner of a case and a texas attorney ready to go if you just sign here!"

instead of speaking with his own actual attorney who had actual experience in the field and Vic's interests in mind, Vic decided to go along with the grift, and here we are. Nick and Ty have been treating the donors as their real interest, not their client.

it's basically ACLU-style impact litigation, but they picked the world's worst plaintiff instead.

ninjewtsu posted:

yeah vic gets to pay damages but not the lawyers - that's probably why this got so far, the lawsuit was "free" so why would vic look closely at any of it

if i was Vic's attorney, I'd be telling Nick and Ty to pony up for the damages as well as the remainder of whatever grift bux are left or i'd be calling their malpractice carriers (no way Nick has malpractice insurance, but he does have all that texas oil money)

Mr. Nice! posted:

The SCOTUS won�t give a gently caress, either.

idk Brett and Clarence get you halfway to cert lmfao

TenementFunster fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Sep 30, 2022

# ? Sep 30, 2022 21:49

Can Of Worms: Sep 4, 2011; That's not how the Triangle Attack works...

TenementFunster posted:

it's even more attenuated than that, isn't it? my impression was Nick raised all the money/outrage/profile for Vic before he ever met Vic and basically approached him with the pitch, "I raised this huge war chest for your cause on youtube. I have a real winner of a case and a texas attorney ready to go if you just sign here!"

Yeah, that's correct. I'm just highlighting how the campaign still gets money every now and then (the most recent addition is a 100$ donation from about 3 weeks ago).

# ? Sep 30, 2022 22:16

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Can Of Worms posted:

Yeah, that's correct. I'm just highlighting how the campaign still gets money every now and then (the most recent addition is a 100$ donation from about 3 weeks ago).

lmfao who is still donating money to this loser poo poo? incredible.

# ? Sep 30, 2022 23:59

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Incels, people who don�t trust mainstream lawyers, people who want to keep the show rolling, and vics legitimate fanbase

# ? Oct 1, 2022 01:00

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

as this suit proves, there is no �legitimate� reason to be a fan of dubs.

# ? Oct 1, 2022 01:01

Last Celebration: Mar 30, 2010

Dyslexia?

# ? Oct 1, 2022 01:26

Midjack: Dec 24, 2007

TenementFunster posted:

as this suit proves, there is no �legitimate� reason to be a fan of dubs.

gently caress you, dubs are the only way my dyslexic friend can watch foreign media.

# ? Oct 1, 2022 01:37

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Dubs v subs getting heated in the nonce dubber thread

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TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

Midjack posted:

gently caress you, dubs are the only way my dyslexic friend can watch foreign media.

lmfao

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# ? Oct 1, 2022 01:53

MechaX: Nov 19, 2011; "Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"

pull up thread, pull up

# ? Oct 1, 2022 02:27

Kaiser Mazoku: Mar 24, 2011; Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

Counterpoint: The Yu Yu Hakusho dub is objectively superior.

# ? Oct 1, 2022 03:24

Larryb: Oct 5, 2010

The Cowboy Bebop and FMA/Brotherhood dubs (putting the whole Vic situation aside) are particularly well done in my opinion as well (though the Japanese cast of both is great too)

# ? Oct 1, 2022 03:37

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

jesus christ guys i'm joking. I do not care how you or your neuroatypical friends watch your anime. please stop getting actually mad and defending the works of dub "actors" such as Vic Mignogna.

# ? Oct 1, 2022 04:11

Nuebot: Feb 18, 2013; The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Kaiser Mazoku posted:

Counterpoint: The Yu Yu Hakusho dub is objectively superior.

Sub YYH but with dub Kuwabara edited in.

# ? Oct 1, 2022 04:35

RevolverDivider: Nov 12, 2016

TenementFunster posted:

jesus christ guys i'm joking. I do not care how you or your neuroatypical friends watch your anime. please stop getting actually mad and defending the works of dub "actors" such as Vic Mignogna.

You're not funny and you never will be

# ? Oct 1, 2022 04:40

MechaX: Nov 19, 2011; "Let's be positive! Let's start a fire!"

Kaiser Mazoku posted:

Counterpoint: The Yu Yu Hakusho dub is objectively superior.

The funniest thing about the YYH dub is that Vic is probably the weakest actor in the entire series

# ? Oct 1, 2022 04:41

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

RevolverDivider posted:

You're not funny and you never will be

do not be upset

# ? Oct 1, 2022 04:46

Midjack: Dec 24, 2007

TenementFunster posted:

jesus christ guys i'm joking. I do not care how you or your neuroatypical friends watch your anime. please stop getting actually mad and defending the works of dub "actors" such as Vic Mignogna.

Oh okay you got me I guess.

# ? Oct 1, 2022 05:03

ninjewtsu: Oct 9, 2012

RevolverDivider posted:

You're not funny and you never will be

they aren't but the way everyone reacted was a little funny

# ? Oct 1, 2022 05:20

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I thought it was a bit tasteless to relegate early anime arguments in this thread of all places but I guess you shouldn�t expect to much from this thread

# ? Oct 1, 2022 15:06

Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

using the molestation of children as ammo in a dumb sub vs dubs debate, even jokingly, is stupid as poo poo. knock it off.

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# ? May 29, 2024 00:49

TenementFunster: Feb 20, 2003; The Cooler King

CharlestheHammer posted:

I thought it was a bit tasteless to relegate early anime arguments in this thread of all places but I guess you shouldn�t expect to much from this thread

�early�? timeless.

# ? Oct 1, 2022 16:09

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