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Bugblatter posted:I can understand critiques of RoP, but even if the dumbest of the leaks is true (and they are terrible ideas) it won’t be half as awful as Shadow of War’s story. Yeah but that's a video game they don't really have "stories".
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Funky See Funky Do posted:
rkd_ posted:Isn’t this a big theme of LoTR though?
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Sep 27, 2022 06:33
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link to the leaks please
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rkd_ posted:Also gently caress Halbrand looks a lot like Viggo’s Agagorn. The rumors that they wanted to do a "Young Aragorn" show make me wonder if he was their choice for that and then they just kept him when they switched gears. There are definitely a few scenes where it's a really uncanny resemblance.
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Sep 27, 2022 10:12
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Shadow of War got the rights to Shelob and said,"Okay but what if the giant, unfathomable monstrosity that is Ungoliant's greatest remaining spawn was actually the main character's super-hot Goth Girlfriend?"
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Sep 27, 2022 13:23
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Lore dump All dragons in LOTR were created by Morgoth and were loyal to him. Fish-dragons (aka Sea-Serpents), like the one we saw in that wrecked the raft, are dragons that have adapted to life in the sea. Sauron was one of Morgoth's top lieutenants. but since the dragons reported to Morgoth, it's not likely that Sauron could order the dragons around. Most of them would see themselves as his equal. However, it's not impossible that a fish-dragon would aid Sauron if called upon. Or that a fish-dragon would have a bone to pick with Sauron due to some 2000 year old grudge and would be out for his blood. This is also the reason why Gandalf wanted to kill Smaug so badly, he feared the Sauron/Smaug power team would be unstoppable and utterly destructive.
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Sep 27, 2022 13:31
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you make it sound like recruiting a Hobbit was his nuclear button
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Sep 27, 2022 13:40
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It's more that he risked an innocent person, something abhorrent to Gabdalf, because he realized Hobbits have an intrinsic ability for stealth, and the greater good demanded it.
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Sep 27, 2022 13:42
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The whole shire would be kindling and barbecue if he failed, so it was more harm reduction than anything. E: is "dragon greed" a thing? I thought that was 100% the Arkenstone.
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Sep 27, 2022 14:08
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Dragon greed is 100% in the lore. Glaurung chilled in Nargothrond for a while after he destroyed it just sleeping on a pile of gold, until he got woken up again.
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Sep 27, 2022 14:11
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Was it ever definitively established wheat the Arkenstone was? Just a big rear end bit of Mithril/an incredibly large jewel or was it straight up a Silmaril?
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Ah, cool. And it's contagious kinda? Like part of the desolation effect around lonely mountain? E: a lore guy did a cool presentation on why it isn't a silmaril but I can't find the link
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Jerusalem posted:Was it ever definitively established wheat the Arkenstone was? Just a big rear end bit of Mithril/an incredibly large jewel or was it straight up a Silmaril? The short answer: no, it's not a silmaril https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJmMDWsYarE moths posted:Ah, cool. And it's contagious kinda? Like part of the desolation effect around lonely mountain? Contagious dragon-sickness was an invention of Peter Jackson. Dwarves are greedy motherfuckers in Tolkien's lore and predisposed to being assholes about money, but Tolkien never implied that this was a disease you could catch from dragon gold. At most it's ambiguous in his writing.
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Sep 27, 2022 14:43
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Bugblatter posted:I can understand critiques of RoP, but even if the dumbest of the leaks is true (and they are terrible ideas) it won’t be half as awful as Shadow of War’s story. Big Titty Goth gf Shelob was a novel take on "Daughter of Primordial Spider-entity that Literally Ate the Light of the World." that brought a lot of vim and vigor to the game.
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Omnicarus posted:Big Titty Goth gf Shelob was a novel take on "Daughter of Primordial Spider-entity that Literally Ate the Light of the World." that brought a lot of vim and vigor to the game. So you're saying that this show needs a Big Titty Goth in it?
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Sep 27, 2022 14:54
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Sure why not, couldn't hurt
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Everyone posted:So you're saying that this show needs a Big Titty Goth in it? 100%
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Sep 27, 2022 15:19
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Introducing the sexiest orc, Gothbroad, who will announce that milk is back on the menu.
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Everyone posted:So you're saying that this show needs a Big Titty Goth in it? it already has someone literally named Daddy
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Sep 27, 2022 15:37
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Everyone posted:So you're saying that this show needs a Big Titty Goth in it? This is Poppy's season 2 arc.
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stev posted:This is Poppy's season 2 arc. Rings of Power Season 2: Small Harfoot, Big Titties.
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Sep 27, 2022 15:41
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stev posted:This is Poppy's season 2 arc. Goth Nori is more likely. 
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Sep 27, 2022 15:55
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Moltke posted:The short answer: no, it's not a silmaril Other way around. Tolkien specifically mentions the dragon-sickness in the Hobbit, at least, while Peter Jackson made the arkenstone itself act literally just like the ring, stupidly. He did the same thing with the palantir, I think? At least in two towers? Might be misremembering.
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Sep 27, 2022 16:07
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Kaedric posted:
Sort of? Pippin's drawn to the palantir in ROTK, and Sauron is basically calling out to him through it. It's like the ring in that Pippin seeks it out after being told not to but not really, definitely not comparable to what they did with the Arkenstone.
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Sep 27, 2022 16:11
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drunkill posted:Goth Nori is more likely. Gandalf: Why Nori no call last night. Nori: I was with Poppy. We were just hanging out behind the elder's cart. Gandalf: Why lie. Saw Jason Thistlesmeller with you. Nori: So what? He's cool. Gandalf: No like Jason. Jason Peril. Nori: I don't care what you think. You're not my real dad. (Slams table and all windows and doors magically slam shut) Gandalf: No leave until homework done!
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Kaedric posted:Other way around. Tolkien specifically mentions the dragon-sickness in the Hobbit, at least, while Peter Jackson made the arkenstone itself act literally just like the ring, stupidly. Tolkien's only mention of "dragon-sickness" is as an affliction of The Master as the sort of poo poo that billionaires (*cough*) have because they love being rich and can't restrain themselves from hoarding, not as a result of a literal dragon. It's ambiguous enough that you could interpret some sort of communicable dragon disease or curse, but the dragon-sickness of the hobbit was 100% jackson.
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Pharazon is clearly actually this dude: (Go check out Janissary Hop’s LP while you’re at it.)
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Isn't the "dragon sickness" thing inspired by Wagner's Fafnir? I know Tolkien didn't like the comparison much between their respective magic rings, but the former seems pretty similar in spirit (though CS Lewis was even more blatant with Eustace actually turning into a dragon).
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Moltke posted:Tolkien's only mention of "dragon-sickness" is as an affliction of The Master as the sort of poo poo that billionaires (*cough*) have because they love being rich and can't restrain themselves from hoarding, not as a result of a literal dragon. I always kind of saw it as an intersection between a preexisting tendency (greed in Dwarves) and the mystical/psychological/spiritual effect "a dragon brooding over his treasure." Like you probably wouldn't want to bring an alcoholic to an "all-you-drink" liquor buffet or fraternity kegger or something.
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Moltke posted:Tolkien's only mention of "dragon-sickness" is as an affliction of The Master as the sort of poo poo that billionaires (*cough*) have because they love being rich and can't restrain themselves from hoarding, not as a result of a literal dragon. You're right that it is a bit ambiguous, though there is one passage that appears to imply such a thing exists: quote:But also he did not reckon with the power that gold has upon which a dragon has long brooded, nor with dwarvish hearts. Long hours in the past days Thorin had spent in the treasury, and the lust of it was heavy on him.
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Kaedric posted:You're right that it is a bit ambiguous, though there is one passage that appears to imply such a thing exists: Magic in Tolkien's works isn't usually about Fireballs or even Mind Control. It's more about inspiration or influence. Powerfully magical beings like Sauron (or Smaug) can leave metaphysical imprints of their personalities and natures upon places. Think maybe Stanley Kubrick's take on The Shining. Thorin's greed is getting its Jack Torrence on with that dragon's hoard.
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Everyone posted:Magic in Tolkien's works isn't usually about Fireballs or even Mind Control. It's more about inspiration or influence. Powerfully magical beings like Sauron (or Smaug) can leave metaphysical imprints of their personalities and natures upon places. Think maybe Stanley Kubrick's take on The Shining. Thorin's greed is getting its Jack Torrence on with that dragon's hoard. That sounds cool, hopefully we get a LOTR show to show off Tolkien's magic
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Everyone posted:I always kind of saw it as an intersection between a preexisting tendency (greed in Dwarves) and the mystical/psychological/spiritual effect "a dragon brooding over his treasure." Like you probably wouldn't want to bring an alcoholic to an "all-you-drink" liquor buffet or fraternity kegger or something. Everyone posted:Magic in Tolkien's works isn't usually about Fireballs or even Mind Control. It's more about inspiration or influence. Powerfully magical beings like Sauron (or Smaug) can leave metaphysical imprints of their personalities and natures upon places. Think maybe Stanley Kubrick's take on The Shining. Thorin's greed is getting its Jack Torrence on with that dragon's hoard. i see Thorin's downfall this way as well, not as a result of a literal disease that comes with fevers, chills, and hallucinations ala Peter Jackson's interpretation.
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Barreft posted:That sounds cool, hopefully we get a LOTR show to show off Tolkien's magic We've already gotten a little bit of that with the abandoned Sauron fortress where fire didn't provide heat.
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gandalf and the wizards are angels who sailed across the ocean to help man defeat sauron but man had to do it themselves so the wizards took on the forms of old men who would help the people of middle earth defeat sauron but were not allowed to use the full extent of their powers to confront him
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Sep 28, 2022 02:06
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Ents have twig dicks.
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Shibawanko posted:link to the leaks please link the leaks. stop being coy about the leaks, for i wish to read them
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Shibawanko posted:link the leaks. stop being coy about the leaks, for i wish to read them I heard them in a 6-hour-long twice weekly non-English podcast 3-4 weeks ago.
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Spoilers: Sauron gets dunked on like a bitch and explodes and all his orcs die
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