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I have no idea who Chomsky is. But I used to follow Zei Squirrel on Twitter before the Corbyn loss broke her. And she used to post Chomsky all the time.
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Feliday Melody posted:I have no idea who Chomsky is. But I used to follow Zei Squirrel on Twitter before the Corbyn loss broke her. And she used to post Chomsky all the time. He is an American Linguists, his model of language being akin to Einstein’s General Relativity. He is also a social theorist, anarcho-syndicalist, activist, opponent of the post-modern turn in social/political theory, and probably the paradigmatic American intellectual (such that we respect intellectuals at all in my country). That’s not to say he is always right—some of his takes on this conflict are questionable, for instance.
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ZombieLenin posted:He is an American Linguists, his model of language being akin to Einstein’s General Relativity. He is also a social theorist, anarcho-syndicalist, activist, opponent of the post-modern turn in social/political theory, and probably the paradigmatic American intellectual (such that we respect intellectuals at all in my country).
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Sep 28, 2022 14:56
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Electric Wrigglies posted:This is fever brain stuff but what are the chances Russia is hoping to plug the gaps and hold on until a very sizable army is generated by say next summer or 2023/24 winter? Like a million or millions strong? russia isn't just doing mass conscriptions to build up a larger army, its also happening to replace losses already suffered in the field - obviously we can't tell exactly how many russian troops have been lost to death, serious injury, or capture, but it has to be well over 150k. thats a huge hole taken out of the front that needs to be filled if russia hopes to be able to assertively do anything in the war of course they're going about it in the most inept way possible, but this is because the russian bureaucracy has been proven over and over in this war to be extremely bad at taking the wishes of high command and translating them into actionable results on the ground. mobilizing civilians and throwing them directly into the front is a tremendously risky and desperate move but it seems to be about the limit of what russia is capable of doing right now, and even if your best effort is wildly amateur, its still a best effort to do something as the war continues to grind on pointlessly Feliday Melody posted:I have no idea who Chomsky is. But I used to follow Zei Squirrel on Twitter before the Corbyn loss broke her. And she used to post Chomsky all the time. aside from what others will say, chomsky is one of the last remaining members of the midcentury american New Left movement and so he has impeccable bonafides for continually opposing american involvement in foreign wars. dude is well in his 90s so a lot of what he has to say is given the weight of a revered great grandpa Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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Payndz posted:Someone who I have great respect for professionally, but who also has a bee the size of a football in his bonnet about NATO in general and the US in particular, has been sounding off on Twitter along these lines: that conflict was inevitable because NATO has forced the Russians to invade Ukraine in self-defence due to the threat from its eastward expansion, breaking a treaty agreement not to do so (which is not the case anyway). But this assertion makes supposed 5-D chessmaster Putin (another aspect of this argument) look like a gullible moron, because if it really is the case, then he's done exactly what NATO wanted him to do at each step and stepped on every single rake possible. The time for sympathy about this kind of thing ended when the flagrantly criminal invasion began.
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Sep 28, 2022 15:00
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OddObserver posted:He is a multiple genocide denialist, a racist, and his theories are pulled out of his rear end. He also pointed out that invading Iraq and Afghanistan was a bad idea while most of Americans were furiously self-pleasuring themselves over the idea of bombing muslims. Whis is one of the reasons why he was so high in demand among anti-war people in the decade or so following those invasions.
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Sep 28, 2022 15:01
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yunichel posted:What's the point of Russia destroying its own pipelines? Putin was trying to put energy pressure on Europe, so that the EU in turn would stop military assistance to Ukraine and pressure Ukraine to sign a ceasefire on unfavorable terms for Ukraine. If Putin can't supply energy to Europe he loses the economic front of the war. If I understand correctly, pipelines even if closed are pressurized. If on the german end they keep sipping gas and on the russian end they have to keep it pressurized, it's virtually like the germans can import (steal) w/o the russians agreeing to it. Cut pipeline fixes this issue.
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Sep 28, 2022 15:08
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birdstrike posted:The time for sympathy about this kind of thing ended when the flagrantly criminal invasion began. Pretty much this. If your road along to being tricked into defeat involves choosing "Invade another country, commit genocide and double-down at every step when called out on it" unprompted, then whatever mastermind supposedly tricked you was probably justified in doing so.
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Brain65 posted:If on the german end they keep sipping gas and on the russian end they have to keep it pressurized, it's virtually like the germans can import (steal) w/o the russians agreeing to it. This didn't happen, and couldn't happen either.
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OddObserver posted:He is a multiple genocide denialist, a racist, and his theories are pulled out of his rear end. You’re absolutely wrong, but hey. His model of language is so completely foundational, there aren’t really other models anymore. He’s also correct about most of his critiques of capitalism, and pretty drat convincing in his rebuttal of postmodernism as the ideological justification for post-industrial capitalism. But this isn’t a thread about Noam Chomsky so let’s not get derailed.
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Sep 28, 2022 15:15
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Atreiden posted:
Here's a gifted vote counter who is counting yes votes without even looking at the papers (which are blank). https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xq2ty1/russians_counting_blank_ballots_without_even/ Legit how do these people live with themselves? I'm not stupid enough to assume they have shame, but do they go home and think they actually did anything of value? It's so nakedly absurd that they can't, in their heart of hearts, actually think they are doing their jobs. Like if you're doing the dog and pony show anyway, print up fake ballots with "Yes" checked. It's the half-hearted attempt at the bullshit that's almost more upsetting.
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Brain65 posted:If I understand correctly, pipelines even if closed are pressurized. If on the german end they keep sipping gas and on the russian end they have to keep it pressurized, it's virtually like the germans can import (steal) w/o the russians agreeing to it. Cut pipeline fixes this issue. I believe it was pressurized with methane so not particularly useful for Germany
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mobby_6kl posted:I believe it was pressurized with methane so not particularly useful for Germany Natural gas is mostly methane.
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Chomsky is like a lot of your more far left academic dude demographic that is completely accurate when criticizing and analyzing the lovely actions of western countries, but somehow unable to recognize that non-western countries also tend to splash in the imperialism pool when it's available to them (or twist themselves into knots explaining why it's justified or the fault of external influences). Ukraine is a perfect situation where MAGA types and Level 97 Twitter communists can unite over.
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Sep 28, 2022 15:22
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Brain65 posted:If I understand correctly, pipelines even if closed are pressurized. If on the german end they keep sipping gas and on the russian end they have to keep it pressurized, it's virtually like the germans can import (steal) w/o the russians agreeing to it. Cut pipeline fixes this issue. This isn't really a thing - there isn't just a free flow of NG inventory Russia is forced to provide; if they wanted to they could pressurize it with an alternative typically used when systems like these get commissioned like nitrogen etc.
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Sep 28, 2022 15:24
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Seems like Ukraine is also moving south of Kupyansk. https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1575081358158082048
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Sep 28, 2022 15:27
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1575126479414984705 (Is number 4 against Russia or against Germany?)
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Sep 28, 2022 15:29
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Biggest part IMO https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1575127424270012416
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Sep 28, 2022 15:36
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Pook Good Mook posted:. The point is that it's transparent. Half "what are you going to do about it?" and half discrediting the notion of elections generally.
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Sep 28, 2022 15:45
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The point is that it's transparent. Half "what are you going to do about it?" and half discrediting the notion of elections generally. Then just loving annex them without the pomp. I don't buy that this is a "what you gonna do about it," that's been the whole show since Feb. They've already miscalculated and have activated the West. They know what the consequences are. And they can accomplish the same message through naked annexation. So why bother with the "vote?"
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Sep 28, 2022 15:50
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Pook Good Mook posted:Here's a gifted vote counter who is counting yes votes without even looking at the papers (which are blank). Russian propaganda is stupid, but not that stupid. Ballpoint pen is hard to see in a low-quality video, but they are visible in some frames. So yes, she doesn't look at them, because of course, but even ten people from the election сommittee could fill in hundreds of ballots. That's how it's often done in Belarus. It's all small peanuts anyway, compared to the fact that they don't even publish the total number of votes. They only showed that about 30k from each region voted in Russia, which is a ridiculously low turnout considering over a million of Ukrainians fled to Russia proper or to Crimea from those occupied regions both around 2014 and recently, and the majority of them can technically vote.
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Sep 28, 2022 15:50
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Let’s not have a referendum on Chomsky itt.Hieronymous Alloy posted:Does the pre-2014 population of Crimea still mostly live there, or has there been large scale "relocation" like Russia seems to like to do? lilljonas posted:If I read this correctly, a large amount of people moved from Crimea since 2014 and an even larger number of people (mostly from Russia and Donetsk/Luhansk) moved to Crimea since then, but not enough to say that a majority of the population has been relocated. But a big chunk (like a population of 2.3 million saw 100 K move out and 150 K move in). Defecting public servants, especially in military, got deported, an unknown amount of them. A few hundred thousand fled before Russia formalised the annexation, likely a similar number fled afterwards due to economic issues in the early years of Russian occupation. Additionally, as per Ukrainian estimates, on the order of a million colonists did move in, meaning that at least 1/3 of its current population has been living there less than a decade. OddObserver posted:(Is number 4 against Russia or against Germany?) Number 4 is against India and so on.
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Paladinus posted:Russian propaganda is stupid, but not that stupid. Ballpoint pen is hard to see in a low-quality video, but they are visible in some frames. So yes, she doesn't look at them, because of course, but even ten people from the election сommittee could fill in hundreds of ballots. That's how it's often done in Belarus. You say that but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oSeRyaFllY https://www.cairnspost.com.au/news/...64a89310f93581c
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Sep 28, 2022 15:54
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Dick Ripple posted:Does Ukraine even need to take Crimea by force? If and when they take Kherson/Zaporozhzhia the Russian positions in Crimea will be at high risk of being cut off and diffilcult to supply and any trying to reinforce/resupply be at risk? Well, they resupplied Crimea for 8 years just fine without Kherson and Zaporijia, so I'm not sure why Ukraine recovering those two provinces would automatically kick the Russians out of Crimea too, especially since they now have the Crimea bridge which didn't exist for most of the past 8 years, but even if Ukraine targeted it, they still supplied the peninsula just fine pre-bridge. They'd have their water problem with farming, but that doesn't exactly render it uninhabitable, much less indefensible. And yeah Ukraine could keep missile-ing Crimea, but Russia can still do tit-for-tat dickery, so unless Ukraine can actually move in and take it by force, then just being 100 km closer to Crimea isn't going to be a dramatic change in its defensibility. Crimea was also completely quiet from 2014-2022 while the war in Donbas was going on.
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Saladman posted:Well, they resupplied Crimea for 8 years just fine without Kherson and Zaporijia, so I'm not sure why Ukraine recovering those two provinces would automatically kick the Russians out of Crimea too. They'd have their water problem with farming, but that doesn't exactly render it uninhabitable, much less indefensible. They had real problems with that until they built the bridge, but for as long as the bridge is usable, they can resupply it. If the bridge is rendered unusable, however, they’ll have to scramble and in a bad way, since the ferry line operating until then has long since gone bankrupt, and Sevastopol harbour wouldn’t, presumably, be safe in the same situation. That said, for the time being Ukraine has plenty of stuff to work through in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, before this conversation becomes of practical consequence.
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Pook Good Mook posted:
Because Putin ordered them to. Like, this is the endpoint of bureaucratic inertia in an autocratic state. Nobody cares. Nobody's trying to do a good job, and there's no purpose to any of it short of "the autocrat said to do this." AS to why Putin ordered it,  . Maybe he thinks this gives him a fig leaf for mobilization, maybe he thinks he can escalate this way and maybe the west will back down. He's been out of good moves for six months so everything he's doing is a desperation play at this point anyway. I'm starting to suspect that we all may have far better information about the actual state of the war than Putin does.
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Also it's not like Ukraine was attacking them in Crimea for those 8 years.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Because Putin ordered them to. I've always thought that this was the reason for all the poorly covered election fraud in Russia. Putin already has the election fixed at the top level. But lower level bureaucrats think that it's up to them.
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Imo it really doesn't matter how "legit" the referendum is. They could be honestly counting every single vote accurately, and it wouldn't matter. I think any of the specific "irregularities" are the wrong thing to focus on. You can't have a legitimate referendum under occupation when the opposed population has been killed, fled, or is intimidated. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:aside from what others will say, chomsky is one of the last remaining members of the midcentury american New Left movement and so he has impeccable bonafides for continually opposing american involvement in foreign wars. dude is well in his 90s so a lot of what he has to say is given the weight of a revered great grandpa His criticism of US foreign policy for decades was massively influential, but some early problems started showing up (which sort of got handwaved away by a lot of his fans) where he would overlook crimes committed by US opponents - including genocide. I used to be a huge admirer back in the 1990s, read almost everything he wrote, etc. But the last few years since Syria have not reflected well on his approach which now just seems to be "the US is always wrong", regardless of the facts and evidence. Its actually quite sad.
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mobby_6kl posted:Imo it really doesn't matter how "legit" the referendum is. They could be honestly counting every single vote accurately, and it wouldn't matter. I think any of the specific "irregularities" are the wrong thing to focus on. Listen here, you either 'count' the ballots all for putin or you can pick up that rifle (off the dead guy over there) and join the fight!
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Danish press briefing on-going: They're basically ruling out an accident completely, and as it's almost certainly sabotage the Danish authorities are raising the readiness levels to safeguard Danish energy installations and critical infrastructure to the second highest level. They expect the last gas to have escaped by Sunday, which is a little earlier than previous estimates. Danish ships and aviation are nearby as part of increased monitoring efforts and to redirect civilian ship traffic away from the site. Bornholm and Christiansø are not at any risk due to the escaping gas. The police have launched a investigation in cooperation with other government entities as well as with Sweden and Germany, but they stress that things are at a very preliminary stage. They refuse to speculate about Russian involvement as well as potential motives.
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PerilPastry posted:Danish press briefing on-going: They're basically ruling out an accident completely, and as it's almost certainly sabotage the Danish authorities are raising the readiness levels to safeguard Danish energy installations to the second highest level. They expect the last gas to have escaped by Sunday, which is a little earlier than previous estimates. Danish ships and aviation are nearby as part of increased monitoring efforts and to redirect civilian ship traffic away from the site. Bornholm and Christiansø are not at any risk due to the escaping gas. The police have launched a investigation in cooperation with other government entities as well as with Sweden and Germany, but they stress that things are at a very preliminary stage. Thanks for the update. Anything about the investigation? Are they going to send some submersible drones to check it out or something?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1575139714729910272 All of them are Rosguardia from Krasnoyarsk.
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mobby_6kl posted:Thanks for the update. Anything about the investigation? Are they going to send some submersible drones to check it out or something? They're being vague but it sounds like they're not doing any actual on-site investigation at all until the gas is gone. So we're likely looking at next week before that process gets started. Not from the briefing but the pipes should be at a depth to be diveable so I don't know that they're going to bother with submersibles or drones. They were asked about future monitoring of Baltic Pipe too but they very extremely vague on that point. They did imply that the location of the pipe means it's likely to be a responsibility shared across countries. It's stressed that the ruptures happened outside Danish territorial waters. Asked about the warnings Norway and Germany have supposedly received about threats to critical infrastructure it doesn't sound like this intelligence reached Denmark directly. PerilPastry fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 28, 2022 |
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FishBulbia posted:Not yet, but an interesting development is that Russia seems to be considering including Kherson and Zaporozhzhia in the Crimea region, which would remove any last notion of deterrence against invading Crimea. I am not a thread regular but try to listen war updates frequently, my impression is the Russian leadership and Russian public in general see Crimea as 100% Russian territory and any Ukrainian troops would constitute an invasion, possibly flipping Russian morale from apathy/draft dodging to frothing rage if it gets taken back. I wonder if Ukraine will focus on everything else occupied first due to that condition.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:They had real problems with that until they built the bridge, but for as long as the bridge is usable, they can resupply it. If the bridge is rendered unusable, however, they’ll have to scramble and in a bad way, since the ferry line operating until then has long since gone bankrupt, and Sevastopol harbour wouldn’t, presumably, be safe in the same situation. If it is proven that the Russians attacked those undersea pipelines, an obvious way to retaliate would be to give Ukraine more anti-ship weapon systems. Or at least I think it will become harder for NATO to say no to Ukrainian requests if Russia has made the seas fair game since this would be much less of an escalation. Either way they could begin to completely deny the black sea, and then if they take Melitopol, clear out the Sea of Azov. At that point a siege starts to look more viable. But as you say they'd have to fight the way there first.
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KitConstantine posted:Interesting - apparently the CIA has been warning about the threats to pipelines for some time. A thing they would definitely do if they planned to blow them up because [scene missing] Wait, why wouldn't they want to warn about it if they intended to do it? I mean, it would make it even easier to pin it on someone else, wouldn't it?
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