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Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Thanks! There's about 75 pages of posts, but I will take a look at those threads when I get a chunk of time. Appreciate it.

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Fungah!
Apr 30, 2011

ulvir posted:

you do not, in fact gotta (checks notes) hand it to the cool and good calm hitlers kramering in having a normal one. just beyond the pale, do the needful. Sad!

lol

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
I recall seeing some gang tags that said VULNERABLE POSTER lmao. I always assumed it was a joke banner but I realize now it might not be?

Stux
Nov 17, 2006

ulvir posted:

you do not, in fact gotta (checks notes) hand it to the cool and good calm hitlers kramering in having a normal one. just beyond the pale, do the needful. Sad!

ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

lobster shirt posted:

kramering really is one of the dumbest forums words. do not like!

i added it just to make it worse, but thankfully I don’t think i’ve actually seen it in the wild since all the weirdos (self-) banned or quit for BnR

Literally A Person
Jan 1, 1970

Smugworth Wuz Here

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:




heh

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009



Fungah! posted:

genuinely gettin sad thinking about a future where ligma's played out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVTmxC_pVqg

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

The deep cover op to infiltrare a shadowy Nazi offsite Discord is insanely hilarious, but the mod's personal hitman getting called up from Coupons like a Soviet sleeper agent who just heard their activation phrase to start flinging probes around is even better

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

What were the specifics around PPJs saga? I'm assuming they have been mentioned at some point in the thread, so if anyone has a link I can just go read it myself it. Were there screenshots or something? Were they saying Nazi things to try and infiltrate it? How/why did they need to infiltrate a Nazi discord?

The second link Inexplicable Humblebrag posted above is PPJ's personal summary of what happened.

The short version of it is that PPJ for some reason thought he was being clever lurking on a SA-adjacent discord full of bitter rightwing former and probably a few current SA posters. The discord was for a group that collected around playing Rust and other multiplayer games, saying lots of edgy jokes, and being generic racist gamer guy types. PPJ said it was for "gathering intel," which was dumb. I don't think he was secretly a nazi or anything, but a covert LARP is a terrible reason to hang out in a sever and chat up the loathsome people there.

Koalas March said he was reporting things to her, but then later she said she never actually read any of the chat logs he sent over and she lied about stuff to cover for him.

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored

Oh wow. I’ve heard that presented as fact for years.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017

Literally A Person posted:

They say my code phrase and I start corralling posters like a god damned buckaroo

Jason Goone

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018


lmbo

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

Fungah! posted:

genuinely gettin sad thinking about a future where ligma's played out

2025: America's strategic bofa reserves run out, China closes the sugma gap

TheSwizzler
May 13, 2005

LETTIN THE CAT OUTTA THE BAG
Knowing it was the now nazi Rust group kinda undercuts PPJ's "intel" argument since they were running most of the goon servers out of PGS for years. My read is that edgy racism just wasn't a dealbreaker for PPJ to build dreadforts

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
Just the idea that PPJ was going to report "intel" to the mod team so that targeted posters would "go dark" for the time being was loving hilarious. Like they were worried about dodging sniper fire from the buildings and their agency called them in from the op in order to protect them

I can't recall where it was posted, but someone mentioned that while doxxing is bad, when you are vomiting your personal life all over the internet that someone literally clicks a link you provide and they can know everything about you, there's no high level hacking or massive coordinated campaign going on, just a couple of assholes deciding to harass you.

There was always this weird presentation that fyad was engaged in some ultra high level doxxing, when 100% of the fyad stuff was just other SA posts. In that leaked mod forum page where graph says "make it sting" KM literally uses the argument that they are harassing/doxxing people by quoting them and being disingenuous.

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored
Serious question but did PPJ make anyone else aware of his daring undercover mission? Could anyone actually vouch for the fact that they knew that he was spying on Nazis before the whole thing went down?

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
I thought PPJ just got caught hanging out with a discord full of dumbasses and spun up the whole spy gimmick to cover for it.

Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

i think he told one or two mods about what he was supposedly doing but those mods didn't really give it any thought until the blowup?

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored

Rad-daddio posted:

I thought PPJ just got caught hanging out with a discord full of dumbasses and spun up the whole spy gimmick to cover for it.

Never heard it confirmed one way or the other. Your version certainly makes more sense

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

ppj got caught saying some very racist and disgusting poo poo in that discord he wasnt undercover at all

sweet geek swag
Mar 29, 2006

Adjust lasers to FUN!





The one person who I actually know vouched for him was Koalas March so my guess is yeah it was all just furious backpeddling.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.
Koalas March and Jeffrey both said he was keeping tabs on a discord, but it doesn't seem like he was sending updates to the Official SA Mod Numbers Station or anything.

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

he didnt even change his username undercover my rear end!

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored

sweet geek swag posted:

The one person who I actually know vouched for him was Koalas March so my guess is yeah it was all just furious backpeddling.

KM, the unquestionable paragon of diversity and inclusion went to bat for an admin(?) caught posting Nazi poo poo on discord. Gotta admit that’s weird as heck

Also can anyone here explain to me why a somethingawful.com mod would need become Serpico in the first place? What did SA stand to gain?

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


Antivehicular posted:

"I was a deep cover agent infiltrating the Nazi hive using my known forum identity, linked to my real SA account" still cracks me up. It's like if Bond gave Blofeld a scan of his passport and driver's license and let him make an announcement over the PA before sneaking into the volcano base.
This is actually pretty much what Bond does half the time.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

ppj got caught saying some very racist and disgusting poo poo in that discord he wasnt undercover at all

PPJ realizing he has to go undercover to protect the posters of his subforum, he goes into the basement of his house wearing nothing but a tank top, carrying a bottle of bourbon and a single kitchen stool, pulls aside an inconspicuous rug to reveal a trap door containing an attaché case. With great hesitation he pops the latch and slowly opens it to reveal a stockpile of racist memes and a paper on black-on-black crime statistics

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored

Scarodactyl posted:

This is actually pretty much what Bond does half the time.

Also what the villains do. Come to think of if, p much everyone in James Bond movies are twits

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored

Heath posted:

PPJ realizing he has to go undercover to protect the posters of his subforum, he goes into the basement of his house wearing nothing but a tank top, carrying a bottle of bourbon and a single kitchen stool, pulls aside an inconspicuous rug to reveal a trap door containing an attaché case. With great hesitation he pops the latch and slowly opens it to reveal a stockpile of racist memes and a paper on black-on-black crime statistics

Yes. P much this. Why would anyone believe this? It’s just so…dumb

TheSwizzler
May 13, 2005

LETTIN THE CAT OUTTA THE BAG

Frank Frank posted:

KM, the unquestionable paragon of diversity and inclusion went to bat for an admin(?) caught posting Nazi poo poo on discord. Gotta admit that’s weird as heck

Also can anyone here explain to me why a somethingawful.com mod would need become Serpico in the first place? What did SA stand to gain?

Discord bunker mentality

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

I didn't know it was a video-game server, but yeah, "politics mod makes up elaborate cover story, actually just wanted to play Rust" makes more sense, especially if you assume PPJ was a real racist idiot and not just trying to fit in (which, yeah, obvs).

Frank Frank
Jun 13, 2001

Mirrored

Antivehicular posted:

I didn't know it was a video-game server, but yeah, "politics mod makes up elaborate cover story, actually just wanted to play Rust" makes more sense, especially if you assume PPJ was a real racist idiot and not just trying to fit in (which, yeah, obvs).

Yeah this was my general vibe. Idiot said a bunch of poo poo playing with a bunch of other idiots attempting to fit in and then tried to make up some insane cover story for it on the level of “a dog ate my homework”. Just never had confirmation. I know sir Jeff reads this particular thread. There have to be some folks around who were admins when this went down. What’s the actual scoop?


SCOOP

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 56 days!
Indeed. Blowing up a legit informant over cspam drama makes it actively harder to fight nazis on this site. I'm sure that sounds ridiculous but as more and more community interactions happen on discord, we rely on information from folks in those discords to help prevent planned abuse such as this. A month ago, everyone was *begging* us to do something about doxxing - this is what doing something about doxxing looks like. We don't control offsite poo poo and need folks in those spaces if we're to be anything but blind. The mod forum frequently discusses and permabans people from hateful offsite places because we want to prevent them from negatively influencing the forums. On multiple occasions I've personally done it based directly on information nazi alt accounts from PPJ.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
No Rust for you!

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
we have internet cops now?

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
its dumber then you could ever imagine

Party Plane Jones posted:

Hello, you're all going to be extremely pissed at me in this thread.
You have great reasons to be. All those posts or screenshots in the other thread? Definitely me; all that dumb poo poo in there is something I've said in the course of this. Why?

Because I actually like this careening mess of a site, even though it absolutely loving hates me. Many of you posting here hate me.

Way back in the wilds of late 2017/2018, people who frequented the Lowtax Gaming Garbage discord might have noticed something: it was poo poo. It was absolute poo poo.



In between the various links of horrendous porn, racial slurs, and other heinous poo poo there was one thing that stuck out: a discord invite, by someone in it. I didn't think much of it at the time and until Lowtax came back to do Gaming Garbage on a much greater scale I rarely looked at the Gaming Garbage discord.

That was a mistake. While lowtax was trying to outlay the problems with his spine his discord was a festering shithole.



Finally another goon and I got tired of this. We messaged Lowtax and said, "hey can you like, uh, just delete the gaming garbage discord and remake it if you're going to use it going forward for streams or patreon or anything going forward. as it is it's complete dogshit full of posts and posters you really would not be associated with any sort of donation drive (the only people posting comments on it are people who were permabanned from SA as it is)"

He said, wait, what the gently caress? Point me to them and I'll punt their asses off the server.
I said that was too much work and you wouldn't be able to get everybody. So bring GDN in.
GDN is, if you don't know, the Goon Discord Network. In many goon discords, it's a little bot. You join and it says you need to auth. If you're a permabanned poster, you can't auth, because you can't access your forum account.

We finally get through that and zzzurp. A bunch of people couldn't post in there anymore. They didnt't have access. Before we deleted the discord chat I saved a copy and started looking through it. Found a couple discord invite links, clicked 'em, they seemed innocuous enough. Clicked one; there's all these people from Lowtax's discord in there. I look at it and at first glance it seems like a standard gaming discord.

Eventually as time goes on I forgot. I got kicked for idling.

In march of 2019 the D&D mods had a crisis we had to deal with. It's 2 in the morning and the only admin on at the time is guyovich. Chairmaster had posted his suicide note in both D&D and E/N.

Through absolutely titanic effort on the part of Lightning Knight we contacted enough people and got enough of fire lit underneath the regional PD's rear end that eventually Chairmaster came back to us with a message that he didn't go through with it. I can't than Lightning Knight enough for going through the amount of time and contacts that he did to save this kid's life.

In the course of trying to stop Chairmaster from killing himself, we spammed everyone. Slack, IRC, Twitter, Discord, you name it we hit it. So we formed contacts.

Some of you may remember, last year there was a security scare. Full Goon Discord Network wide: everybody was told to kill the bot and kick it from their server. Why?

Because somebody hardcoded the bot discord token into it.

Well, what does this mean you might say?

It means that on every discord network it was connected to, whoever had access to it could access every chat the bot had access to.

This is a problem.
Eventually it gets found out that hey, it might be these people. Wait, what's this discord named?

Oh. I was in there at one point.

So I pulled out the saved copy of gaming garbage and guess what, the discord invite still works.

They say 'wait, didn't we kick this guy? Where did he come from?'

I said 'from lowtax's awful discord'; (it's true isn't it?)

I start actually reading the discord and talking on the discord. And, it's not great. In broad strokes, it's got some of the greatest hits of Something Awful's permaban catalog. From the guy who (supposedly) carved another poster's name into his skin to the twice banned neonazi, it's a doozy.

But I'm again, getting ahead of myself.

TFR at one point had a discord. It was similarly, also, poo poo.



Eventually, it gets deleted. Why?

Well, meet Aran.


Aran is a delightful character. Helldumped and permabanned off of Something Awful, he later rejoins the forums. Some of you might recognize his later name, PCOS Bill. Punted again, he rejoins the TFR discord. Gets it deleted because solely because he's there.

But that's not all!


Aran, the Something Sensitive siterunner, has now joined with the other group. Such a delightful group of people have found true love in each other's arms.

Why is any of this poo poo important to you? Because the only way to remove people who are causing trouble for our posters is by unmasking them and tracking where
they pop up.

Why the gently caress am I in there on the name I use for other poo poo? Well, honestly? I couldn't get another invite that wouldn't be suspicious. I only got in because the Gaming Garbage invite was still active, which I used with my original account so it'd line up. The only major time there were giant open invites to blend in with was when they decided to drop that in the FYAD QCS threads.



Why am I typing all this dumb poo poo? Because the only way to fit in with a group like this, is to post like this. They talk about anime, I'll talk about anime. Guns of the world, sure. Horrendous awful disgusting food concoctions of the 1960s? Yeah.

So what the gently caress does this all mean? Well, thanks to being in there, there have been accounts found out and banned and lies given light so they're addressed. I'm not going to give out specifics as to which people got banned as a result. Helping to prevent further doxxing of one of my fellow mods was an added bonus.

The thing I gotta ask is, where are you getting your links from? Because hey, they definitely figured out it was me.



That was a month ago. I went in and deleted every single of text I had written after I saw that.

TehRedWheelbarrow
Mar 16, 2011



Fan of Britches
im glad we demanded this very smart and not at all dumb plan of intrigue and danger

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Koalas March posted:

I didn't want to have to do this but gently caress it.
Jones helps run a network keeping tabs on chud and Nazi goons. I know some of those people/goons who assist in this, but I am with holding their name(s) for very obvious reasons. Jones has personally come to me with evidence of neonazis doxxing me, skoll in particular, threatening me and telling each other to do poo poo like take pictures of my house, mail me stuff etc. Whenever something heats up off-site and I might be in danger, Jones tells me. I have gigs of data sent to me by Jones whole he was collecting info on them. I've known this for a long, long time. I know which discords he is in and the people he is monitoring in those discords. I know that this info has been collecting over time was/is used to help keep the GDN chud and Nazi free.

I'm doing my best not to be really disheartened by this, but yeah. That's what I know.


the deets

MohawkSatan posted:

PPJ's story is legit. I've got the stuff he collected, and it's loving paydirt. Two loving years of logs, usernames, etc. I've barely touched it and I've got 22 usernames (less than half of which have been banned) and several of which I've tracked down and linked to Nazi poo poo elsewhere in less than an hour's work. Hell I've got a name and home address and a google street view screenshot of the Nazi flag in hanging in the front window of one of them.

Ya'll know me. If there was any doubt in my mind I wouldn't be defending him. I'd be calling for him to have a meeting with a guillotine.

MohawkSatan posted:

And all this is why I'm being very very careful with the info I've got, and what I've been managing to dig up. It's going to you mod types (for forums relevant stuff) because

I'm being real goddamned sure to make sure that everything fits before I even share with mods, because throwing what's basically weaponized information is really really not good. Some dumbass from cspam or something ain't going to use it properly and accuse/doxx the wrong person, or worse. And gods know I don't want that weighing on me.

The only people that will be getting any info on this are a) very limited and closely trusted antifascist if there is something specific I can safely share that will help them keep other people safe and b) mods/admins. Aside from that, there's one other person who's helping me do SA focused digging, and they're only getting a possible or related username and a request to hunt out posts from that person or find what they've changed their username to.

edit: to be clear, unless I'm 100% positive, nobody gets poo poo, and if I am that positive I'm going to be very very very loving careful with what I DO give and to who. Honestly, there's vastly greater odds of me getting doxxed than me doxxing someone else.

Edit2: requested by other folks for security reasons.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Frank Frank posted:

Serious question but did PPJ make anyone else aware of his daring undercover mission? Could anyone actually vouch for the fact that they knew that he was spying on Nazis before the whole thing went down?

When I was modded there were a lot of extremely confused posts about it in the mod forum.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Somehow the fishiest part of that is the idea that Lowtax gave a poo poo about stream content or Discord stuff. No loving way in hell

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16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

the only stream content lowtax cared about was his own because goons were giving him money to unban their friends and ban their enemies

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