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yeah i know, i'm saying they should keep going despite being told to end it or mass quit, or something. i don't know the exact answer obviously, only that the strike system as it is seems rigged, and it's a losing game to try to play by the rules
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not showing up for work will eventually get you sacked, even from a norwegian public-sector job, and the unions can do nothing about it. doing an organised, legal strike in the municipal sector is hard enough, doing a wildcat strike is just suicidal. the justification for ending it was bullshit, pure cynical mobilisation of mental health awareness on the part of KS and one which opens a massive can of worms wrt future labour conflicts. "life and health" is not meant to be interpreted broadly in this context, and now you can just demonstrate secondary effects on *someone* to argue that a strike should be stopped. if this makes precedent, it's not looking good for the already-difficult-to-realise right to strike in norway. it also really shines a light on KS as an employer federation functioning explicitly as a weird buffer between policy and policy-makers (the municipalities, ostensibly democratic units) - the wage negotiation system has just broken down in the whole sector when they're being handled by an actor which really doesn't care if kids are going to school.
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Invoking life and health concerns in this context essentially signals that, like nurses, teachers are not allowed to strike.
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It's a complete poo poo position for teachers and other government employees. If they strike, the government gets to not pay them, plus the public is likely to get equally mad at the strikers. And there's no real tangible loss for the government either, at least at the political level: kids getting worse education is super hard to measure, and more so on a next election timescale, which is the current reality. The government just has to give the slightest bit of anything that they can spin into a reasonable compromise, and from there let the media and Facebook warriors set the discourse as a both sides issue where the government just wants to go back to normal.
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If the teachers are responsible for kids' mental health both their education and job description needs to be changed dramatically.
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During the lockdown I also had to go to work because of the mental halthet of the children and I remember wondering where the gently caress where the other instances, like BUP, where.
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Maybe if their job is so critical they cannot be allowed to strike, they should be paid enough that they don't feel the need to strike.
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Mymla posted:Maybe if their job is so critical they cannot be allowed to strike, they should be paid enough that they don't feel the need to strike. But why? Why pay them more when we can just pay them less and make them unable to ask for more?
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i work at a pre-school and while there’s not explicit talk about striking the way things are going it feels like an inevitability at this point. there’s basically a higher rate of burnout than people who work until retirement and the higher ups want more kids per class. poo poo just isn’t sustainable
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Hello Scandinavian thread, I come in peace. My partner is working on an Erasmus project for which she should have some participants from Sweden, Norway and/or Denmark. It's free education in group work techniques, and the target are individuals (either students or professionals) who work with marginalized and vulnerable groups. She'd like to send the invitation to NGOs and other organizations from the region whose members might be interested. Maybe also political parties that care about immigrants? If you can share some, we'd be thankful. Also if you'd personally be interested in learning more, PM me.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Hello Scandinavian thread, I come in peace.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That's nearly every political party. Unless you want then to care in a good, not racist way.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That's nearly every political party. Obviously, I meant parties that were actively interested in well-being and integration of immigrants.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Obviously, I meant parties that were actively interested in well-being and integration of immigrants. Oh honey
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Doctor Malaver posted:Obviously, I meant parties that were actively interested in well-being and integration of immigrants. Anyway, I would consider maybe asking in this thread instead: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3480864&pagenumber=1427#lastpost It's a Scandinavian-language chat thread, but people are generally pretty good about replying seriously to English-language posts, and there are a few posters there who might have some ideas but who absolutely will not see a post in D&D.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Hello Scandinavian thread, I come in peace. The local group that comes to mind is Allt åt alla, maybe try sending them a message? I have friends who work with them and they do a lot of good https://alltatalla.se/
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Doctor Malaver posted:Obviously, I meant parties that were actively interested in well-being and integration of immigrants. lmao
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If the rigth to strike is now illusory they are coming from our right to quit next.
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lilljonas posted:The local group that comes to mind is Allt åt alla, maybe try sending them a message? I have friends who work with them and they do a lot of good Thank you. A Buttery Pastry posted:Now you're truly asking too much. I'll post there but I don't understand what the issue is, why the entire Scandinavian thread can only produce 1 (one) address. If you asked me the same question about Croatia, I'd name one or two NGOs and tell you what our leftmost parties are. That's off the top of my head, I could give you a list after a 5 minute google search. And I'm not even an activist, just someone who reads the news and cares a bit.
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Doctor Malaver posted:I'll post there but I don't understand what the issue is, why the entire Scandinavian thread can only produce 1 (one) address. If you asked me the same question about Croatia, I'd name one or two NGOs and tell you what our leftmost parties are. That's off the top of my head, I could give you a list after a 5 minute google search. And I'm not even an activist, just someone who reads the news and cares a bit. Really though, I can imagine a couple of reasons people aren't volunteering suggestions: - Lack of trust in the political parties, even the leftmost ones (https://enhedslisten.dk/ is the leftmost country-wide party in Denmark, but it has been turning social-democrat in recent years and weakened its leftist and anti-racism credentials) - Lack of trust in known organizations, - Lack of trust in your own ability to gauge their work if you're not intimately familiar with it On top of that you have personality types (I'll happily bullshit about things that don't matter, but be far more reticent about stuff that might matter), as well as perhaps cultural factors: There's a reason we're stereotyped as cold and distant.
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Doctor Malaver posted:I'll post there but I don't understand what the issue is, why the entire Scandinavian thread can only produce 1 (one) address. If you asked me the same question about Croatia, I'd name one or two NGOs and tell you what our leftmost parties are. That's off the top of my head, I could give you a list after a 5 minute google search. And I'm not even an activist, just someone who reads the news and cares a bit. Why didn't you just Google it yourself then? For Norway it would maybe be something like The Norwegian Centre Against Racism https://antirasistisk.no/ and the party Rødt https://roedt.no/oslo/.
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thotsky posted:Why didn't you just Google it yourself then? When the first big wave of immigrants/refugees went through Croatia, the most active organization was Are You Syrious. However, googling "croatia ngo human rights" doesn't bring them up. Also, SA supposedly being a community and D&D supposedly being full of progressive and leftist people, I thought someone might actually be interested. Anyway, thanks for the links.
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Some pretty weird hostility ITT I can vouch for lilljonas' recommendation of Allt Åt Alla. As for political parties in Sweden, Miljöpartiet (the Green Party), Vänsterpartiet (Leftists), and Centerpartiet (pro-market liberals) all include pro-immigration stances as part of their platforms. You also have explicitly immigration-focused orgs like Refugees Welcome
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In other Swedish politics-adjacent news. Alt-light jackass and former Moderate Party MP Hanif Bali has, bafflingly, been hired to write columns for one of Sweden's biggest tabloids (Expressen, one of several papers reporting extensively on Bali's alleged grooming of a 15 year old girl) https://www.expressen.se/ledare/ledare-nyheter/hanif-bali-borjar-skriva-for-expressen/ Beeswax fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Oct 3, 2022 |
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Beeswax posted:In other Swedish politics-adjacent news. Alt-light jackass and former Moderate Party MP Hanif Bali has, bafflingly, been hired to write columns for one of Sweden's biggest tabloids (Expressen, one of several papers reporting extensively on Bali's alleged grooming of a 15 year old girl) Just think of the engagement 
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I guess in Norway for pro-immigrant/refugee parties, I'd say the most obvious ones would be Sosialistisk Venstreparti ("Socialist Left", SV), Rødt ("Rødt", R) and Kristelig Folkeparti ("Christian People's Party", KrF), maybe V as well due to their social liberal stance, but I'm not really sure if it's that big of a thing for them aside from general sentiments. For organizations, I'd actually look into religious/Church organizations for that, with refugees and especially those about to be deported, seeking sanctuary and protections from and often literally inside churches has been a pretty common thing in recent history, so you're probably gonna see a decent amount of on-the-ground engagement with refugees and such done by organizations connected to churches, like "Kirkens Bymisjon". There's also organizations focused mostly on foreign aid and development, again there's a church-affiliated one, "Kirkens Nødhjelp", but there's also "Norsk Folkehjelp" which is connected to the Norwegian labor movement, the latter I'm pretty sure does work in Norway as well, working in refugee centers and such.
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Beeswax posted:Some pretty weird hostility ITT the fact that C is better on immigration than S is a disgrace. have they done anything worthwhile since Palme got shot?
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Beeswax posted:Some pretty weird hostility ITT Randarkman posted:I guess in Norway for pro-immigrant/refugee parties, I'd say the most obvious ones would be Sosialistisk Venstreparti ("Socialist Left", SV), Rødt ("Rødt", R) and Kristelig Folkeparti ("Christian People's Party", KrF), maybe V as well due to their social liberal stance, but I'm not really sure if it's that big of a thing for them aside from general sentiments. Awesome, thanks!
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Doctor Malaver posted:D&D supposedly being full of progressive and leftist people
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teen witch posted:https://www.dn.se/sverige/ska-utvisas-till-iran-samtidigt-sprids-nedas-protest-varlden-over/ And exactly what the new government want them to do x 800 000.
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No idea why you’re so committed to being a bitch to this random guy
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watho posted:the fact that C is better on immigration than S is a disgrace. have they done anything worthwhile since Palme got shot? I know beating on Socdems is a hobby for internet leftists but really. S has done plenty, but havent had a majority in parliament since 2006 and have been stuck cleaning up Reinfelds lazzies faire mess. C are libertarians who hate unions and organised labour, hence open borders. Their immigration policy have nothing to do with humanitarianism. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Oct 4, 2022 |
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I wonder if Turkey is overplaying their hand with this whole NATO thing. I imagine that they already had to give reassurances to the big NATO members that they would approve Sweden and Finland's application. But that they just wanted a little something out of it on the side. Before the election. All the Swedish political parties were tripping over one another to promise a NATO application. But that political capital is now spent. As far as the voters are concerned. Applying to NATO and failing to join is fine if Turkey can be blamed. No Swedish political party will suffer for it. But caving to Turkish demands is on the other hand unacceptable.
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Feliday Melody posted:I wonder if Turkey is overplaying their hand with this whole NATO thing. Also the average Svenne Banan was a lot more scared of Russia and interested in a quick NATO membership in Februari, when media was banging on about how the Russian army would soon be looking for their next victim after eating Ukraine. Now, eight months later, with Russia's military melting before our eyes, it's not quite as prioritized. When Erdogan was threatening to say no in Spring everyone was bending backwards to stroke his ego. I'm not seeing the same right now.
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Lets just give the Kurds all the guns. Maybe set up a coupla training camps. Probably pretty foolish, and spiteful for sure. But gently caress Turkey at this point
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Yeah, it's been a while since I heard of anyone concerned about Russia invading Scandinavia. What's the status on that now, do we still have a meaningful fear of that anywhere, or has it gone to "lmao, they couldn't invade a paper bag at this point" for all (mostly Swedish) demographics?
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Remember when the primary argument against raising the Swedish defence budget was that Russia could invade Sweden in 24 hours anyway, so what's the point?
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