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Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Sakurazuka posted:

drat I can't wait for 2026

kirbysuperstar posted:

drat I can't wait for 2036

just be glad you aren't waiting for Stinko no Kiseki

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Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Falcom pretty much freely give out their license to whoever wants to make some mobile stuff with it as an extra cash flow, they have next to nothing to do with the development itself. Lest you forget that Cold Steel 3 Online is also a thing. :shrug:

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Terper posted:

Falcom pretty much freely give out their license to whoever wants to make some mobile stuff with it as an extra cash flow, they have next to nothing to do with the development itself. Lest you forget that Cold Steel 3 Online is also a thing. :shrug:

Had never even heard of this. It came out last year!?


Anyway, I feel like every Trails game outside of FC, Zero and maybe 3rd is kinda bloated. Just something I feel you can see throughout the series, and not all too uncommon in big JRPGs in general.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

SyntheticPolygon posted:

Had never even heard of this. It came out last year!?


Anyway, I feel like every Trails game outside of FC, Zero and maybe 3rd is kinda bloated. Just something I feel you can see throughout the series, and not all too uncommon in big JRPGs in general.

SC I can kind of agree with, but I'd say Azure is pretty tightly designed, except maybe the finale.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

SC was what I was mainly thinking of.

It's up there with CS2 and CS4 for me as being pretty bloated and lengthy. Don't think its quite as bad (especially compared to CS2) but I dunno in my mind its just a problem i've encountered all throughout my Trails experience.

Hell event the tighter games are fairly slow paced and drawn out. Its just part of the series vibe to me. They're really long games!

Einander
Sep 14, 2008

"Yeh've forged a magnificent sword."

"This one's only practice. The real sword I intend to forge will be three times longer."

"Can there really be a sword as monstrous as that in this world?"

"Yes. I can see that sword... Somewhere out there..."
CS2 in in a weird place where I agree that it's obviously padded, but I enjoy it as padding and disagree that it's bloat, because it's all just "now fight through these extra mostly unnecessary dungeons" and CS2 has pretty fun combat. CS2 is pretty generous by the standards of the series in terms of what cool tools it gives you and when, physical and magical damage are fairly well-balanced, and it did the "do well against these bosses for extra points" fights best out of the series. I enjoyed all of them! The Cryptid fights are available early and they're all pretty good too.

CS2 has people bail you out of boss fights a lot, but the story arc is about Rean and Class VII gaining the power to make a difference in this big conflict, and for me the game giving you all this power relative to the other games and plenty of fights to use it made that arc feel more real. And in turn, that made me feel more invested when the ending's twist yanked all of that out from under Class VII in general and Rean in particular.

CS2 good.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
CS in general... good.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Pyre of Word Salsa posted:

Edit: Unless if there's a significant difference between the two, I guess. It's supposed to be an MMO?

Yes, other than the setting it's nothing like Ys 6, it's an autopath MMO.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Nate RFB posted:

CS in general... good.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

Still playing through CS4, and yeah I still agree

CS good, hasn’t hit me with the “omg I wasted so much time on this” feeling like I initially felt with Mass Effect

That said… I think the team is running out of money because I feel a little cheated I couldn’t play the fight in Laura and Kurt’s bonding events

BisterdDave
Apr 21, 2004

Slitzweitz!
Decided I wanted to do a NG+ playthrough of CS1, and booted up my 6 year old save. Even though I know I finished the game originally, I guess my last save was right before the bonfire/afterparty, so I gotta quickly get through these final boss fights again. Sucks cause I don't remember much from the first game, and was hoping I could experience it again from the start.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Nate RFB posted:

CS in general... good.

Bold and unashamed take, but true.

RevolverDivider
Nov 12, 2016

I still like CS2 a lot even if I think CS4 is mostly bad

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

I think CS4 is 15-20 hours of a really good game stuck in 70+ hours of a really mediocre one. When Reverie officially gets localized, I imagine some of you will be thinking why the hell they didn't just make Reverie CS4; since it acts as a much better ending to the Erebonia arc than CS4 does. Reverie is also a shorter game too, to the point that if you took the good 15-20 hours of CS4 and stuck it onto the beginning of Reverie you'd have a normal length Trails game.

But well, the answer to that is because Falcom shareholders want a new game released every year so Trails gets rushed as a result and bloated up with filler to plug in the gaps. Kuro 2 suffers from much of the same problem; it's really good up to a point and then the quality just dips from filler. It's why I hate the annual model of Falcom and wish they'd at least switch between Trails, Ys and maybe another Xanadu game every year if they must stick to it, instead of the current two Trails games followed by an Ys model they currently have.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

RevolverDivider posted:

I still like CS2 a lot even if I think CS4 is mostly bad

The opposite for me tbh.

But sometimes it just be like that.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
You'd figure an annual game mandate would prevent bloat because of time

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Tae posted:

You'd figure an annual game mandate would prevent bloat because of time

The games recycle like 90% of their content so that is more time to make a standard JRPG into three.

RevolverDivider
Nov 12, 2016

Mr. Fortitude posted:

I think CS4 is 15-20 hours of a really good game stuck in 70+ hours of a really mediocre one.

gently caress this is basically the exact phrase I've been looking for to nail down how I feel about CS4 and why it makes me a lot madder then if the whole thing had been bad.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k

RevolverDivider posted:

I still like CS2 a lot even if I think CS4 is mostly bad

I agree, though I wonder how much of it has to do with handheld game vs console game to me.


It's a part of the two games I hadn't really considered too heavily.

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

It's worth noting that Reverie and both Kuro games didn't exactly launch complete in Japan. Reverie had story elements and a true ending patched in about a month after release, Kuro 1 was launched with tons of bugs and issues and was lacking a lot of QoL features that were present in previous games until it got patched and Kuro 2 is apparently meant to get new content patched in next month too. The games absolutely are being rushed and released in an unfinished state to appeal to shareholders at this point.

None of this will be an issue for the eventual localizations mind, but it's something to note.

Moofia Boss Val
May 14, 2021

How many hundreds of dollars have you dropped on Trails? $300? And did you get a satisfying payoff out of it?

For $50 you could buy an entire book series like Lord of the Rings or Dragonriders of Pern, and you will actually get a saga that leads somewhere and has a satisfying payoff.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Moofia Boss Val posted:

And did you get a satisfying payoff out of it?

Sky? Yes

Zero/Azure? Yes

Cold Steel? Probably not, but I haven't finished CS4 yet.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Yeah, I have largely been satisfied with my time with Trails.

Sure, Reverie felt a little expensive but that’s a common feeling when buying a JP game. And hey, it was pretty rad.

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Moofia Boss Val posted:

How many hundreds of dollars have you dropped on Trails? $300? And did you get a satisfying payoff out of it?

For $50 you could buy an entire book series like Lord of the Rings or Dragonriders of Pern, and you will actually get a saga that leads somewhere and has a satisfying payoff.

I own a nice big copy of Lord of the Rings & 8 Trails games, get owned poors.

Pern loving sucks lol

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
MBV why don't you pretend the series doesn't exist and stop posting in this thread, you seem like you'd be much happier if you spent less of your time whining and complaining about this JRPG series.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING

Moofia Boss Val posted:

For $50 you could buy an entire book series like Lord of the Rings or Dragonriders of Pern, and you will actually get a saga that leads somewhere and has a satisfying payoff.

you are absolutely not getting the entire Pern series for $50 even in cheap-rear end used bookstore paperbacks

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

Moofia Boss Val posted:

How many hundreds of dollars have you dropped on Trails? $300? And did you get a satisfying payoff out of it?

For $50 you could buy an entire book series like Lord of the Rings or Dragonriders of Pern, and you will actually get a saga that leads somewhere and has a satisfying payoff.

Trails is more good than bad, unlike Dragonriders of Pern. Even Kuro 2 has way more good in it, it's just one specific chapter that is dragging the game down. Besides, isn't your idea of a satisfying payoff for Trails the most edgy thing imaginable, where the series turns into misery porn?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I got my worth out of all the Trails games but I don't think I'd ever replay any of them and for me that is a rarity.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


I am very excited to replay Reverie once it comes out in English. Love the gameplay in that game.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Moofia Boss Val posted:

How many hundreds of dollars have you dropped on Trails? $300? And did you get a satisfying payoff out of it?

how many hundreds of hours have you spent Posting

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen
I just wanna know where you can get all these books for $2 each

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Endorph posted:

how many hundreds of hours have you spent Posting

That sounds like a pretty good return for $10! Now all the War & Peace sized jrpgs they keep hate-playing, that's the issue

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction

Moofia Boss Val posted:

How many hundreds of dollars have you dropped on Trails? $300? And did you get a satisfying payoff out of it?

For $50 you could buy an entire book series like Lord of the Rings or Dragonriders of Pern, and you will actually get a saga that leads somewhere and has a satisfying payoff.

I have easily been entertained for 300 dollars.

When the Lord of the Rings (the first Peter Jackson one) film came out, my high school calculus teacher loaned out copies of the books to anyone, and he said that anyone who finished it and could do a simple report, could take a day to see the film for free and get out of school for that day and he would take them.

I read seven chapters and returned it to him. I have since read at least two hundred fantasy novels. gently caress LOTR.

Edit
That figure has to be far too low. I can name too many authors/series where I have read everything, and it's a double digit collection. I might have to calculate this.

Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Sep 30, 2022

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

Moofia Boss Val posted:

How many hundreds of dollars have you dropped on Trails? $300? And did you get a satisfying payoff out of it?

Still feeling like I’m getting my money’s worth out of these games

Mass Effect though… until the Extended Cut came out I definitely felt like I wasted money on the games and dlc


Moofia Boss Val posted:


For $50 you could buy an entire book series like Lord of the Rings or Dragonriders of Pern, and you will actually get a saga that leads somewhere and has a satisfying payoff.

Does Lord of the Rings or Dragonriders have a blue hair sword girl who’s cool and collect, but has a cute side that she shows from time to time? No? Then good day :colbert:

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Wow, there's a name I have managed to mostly delete out of mind. Dragonriders of Pern... I actually liked those novels when I was kid. I also liked Dragonlance and, boy, was that stuff rough coming back to and re-read it at age 20-something.

Still, can't believe someone would unironically mention Pern as having better stories/worldbuilding/characters than any of the Kiseki games, though. loving :lol:

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

In the first dungeon of zero on normal mode i did not need to do anything besides mash the confirm button with turbo on to get past all the normal encounters, with completely negligible resource loss. Is this a trend and i should play on hard if i want to be challenged by non-boss enemies or will it get tougher?

Corollary question, if i do play on hard will i regret it immensely come lategame bosses

The 7th Guest
Dec 17, 2003

ah I see you like Trails and like to examine it criticially. well have you ev er heard of... Edgar Allen Poe? say no more. or perhaps, say never more

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Here I am, having spent $300+ on Trails games and not once have I thought "poo poo man, this is way better than Edgar Allen Poe". All that money wasted... Alas, I was a fool.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

to be honest it was more like 'ah, i see you like trails... well have you ever heard of... drizzt?'

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Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Endorph posted:

to be honest it was more like 'ah, i see you like trails... well have you ever heard of... drizzt?'

I'm sure that guy got a satisfying payoff. Or two. I can't keep track.

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