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Quick Draft is MID and I'm tempted to enter it a bit because I have the least cards from that set out of the last year - all I remember from that format is UB zombies ride or die and GR being bad because werewolves were awful. What was white up to again?
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all the esper combinations hosed iirc. white red good if you get the busted gold uncommon
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Oct 3, 2022 19:05
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Boxman posted:Quick Draft is MID and I'm tempted to enter it a bit because I have the least cards from that set out of the last year - all I remember from that format is UB zombies ride or die and GR being bad because werewolves were awful. What was white up to again? UW is the best deck, UG is great, basically you can't be wrong with blue (UR can be a bit challenging to draft and pilot though). I had good luck with GB last time it came up in premier draft too, but it's not as consistent as the blue decks.
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Oct 3, 2022 19:29
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I didn't know that Explorer existed until that post about it, right now. Looking at some of these decks, it looks like a lot of fun, time to build something.
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Oct 3, 2022 19:38
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The longer Explorer stays the way it is the more people will migrate back to Standard or over to Historic tbh. No one enjoys queueing into a wall of Rakdos or Greasefang.
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Oct 3, 2022 20:04
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Eej posted:The longer Explorer stays the way it is the more people will migrate back to Standard or over to Historic tbh. No one enjoys queueing into a wall of Rakdos or Greasefang. yeah unfortunately the explorer meta has aligned with pioneer's a lot faster than I hoped. I'm not sure what you could even ban from rakdos because it's just a pile of the best cards in those colors. I like the existence of gf in concept, both the playstyle and as a deck exerting force on the metagame, but it might be slightly overtuned. it has the opposite problem of rakdos since banning gf or P2 effectively kills the deck kalel fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Oct 3, 2022 |
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Oct 3, 2022 20:31
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kalel posted:yeah unfortunately the explorer meta has aligned with pioneer's a lot faster than I hoped. I'm not sure what you could even ban from rakdos because it's just a pile of the best cards in those colors. I don't know what pioneer's meta is like but wouldn't a better answer than banning cards be "hurry the gently caress up and give us the rest of pioneer" so there's more than two top-tier decks?
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Oct 3, 2022 20:35
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Judgy Fucker posted:I don't know what pioneer's meta is like but wouldn't a better answer than banning cards be "hurry the gently caress up and give us the rest of pioneer" so there's more than two top-tier decks? i have bad news for you about the pioneer meta
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Oct 3, 2022 20:40
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Ah, well, nevertheless
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Oct 3, 2022 20:42
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The problem is systemic. Explorer, and even Pioneer, simply have too few cards which support too few archetypes for people to remain interested.
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Oct 3, 2022 20:45
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Chamale posted:I didn't know that Explorer existed until that post about it, right now. Looking at some of these decks, it looks like a lot of fun, time to build something. This is anecdotal but opponents in explorer are chiller than those in historic. Historic players will spam emotes from turn one to the moment their last rope runs out. And I know, mute opponents but I never noticed an issue until I recently went back to get some reps in on my historic madness deck.
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Oct 3, 2022 20:47
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Can someone explain to me like I'm a very dumb baby why Rest in Peace is not an acceptable answer to Greasefang? I haven't played explorer much in about a month or so but RIP seemed to work just fine in my angels deck against it
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Oct 3, 2022 20:55
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Judgy Fucker posted:Can someone explain to me like I'm a very dumb baby why Rest in Peace is not an acceptable answer to Greasefang? I haven't played explorer much in about a month or so but RIP seemed to work just fine in my angels deck against it Definitely good against Greasefang, but against any other deck you're down a card automatically. After thirty minutes of playing Explorer, though, I am tempted to make a deck with 4 Scavenging Ooze and 4 Lion Sash just to crush that Greasefang jerk.
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Oct 3, 2022 21:03
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Chamale posted:Definitely good against Greasefang, but against any other deck you're down a card automatically. Oh, are most of the people complaining about Greasefang playing Bo1? I forget that's a thing, especially for explorer or historic.
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Oct 3, 2022 21:06
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MasterBuilder posted:This is anecdotal but opponents in explorer are chiller than those in historic. Historic players will spam emotes from turn one to the moment their last rope runs out. And I know, mute opponents but I never noticed an issue until I recently went back to get some reps in on my historic madness deck. Anecdotally speaking but Explorer opponents in Diamond and higher are tryhard grinders to the extreme and Historic players are just playing weird goofball poo poo. Judgy Fucker posted:Can someone explain to me like I'm a very dumb baby why Rest in Peace is not an acceptable answer to Greasefang? I haven't played explorer much in about a month or so but RIP seemed to work just fine in my angels deck against it The reason why Greasefang shifted to Abzan is for access to Witherbloom's Command, which can destroy Rest in Peace or any other GY hate card and Esika's Chariot which can apply pressure without interacting with the GY at all. Also Grisly Salvage too, I guess, but the ability to destroy Rest In Peace, Grafdigger's Cage, Unlicensed Hearse, Soul-Guide Lantern, Tormod's Crypt etc. is pretty key because it only costs 2 mana and you can often just combo out the turn you remove it. Judgy Fucker posted:Oh, are most of the people complaining about Greasefang playing Bo1? I forget that's a thing, especially for explorer or historic. Greasefang is second highest winrate deck in Plat+ BO3, third highest in Diamond+ BO3 right now so no.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Can someone explain to me like I'm a very dumb baby why Rest in Peace is not an acceptable answer to Greasefang? I haven't played explorer much in about a month or so but RIP seemed to work just fine in my angels deck against it dies to witherbloom command, as does unlicensed hearse, soul-guide lantern, and weathered runestone. I love casting that card. I also love that some junk rare from WAR ended up becoming a pivotal piece in a tier 1 deck years later. that's a dream design goal tbh Judgy Fucker posted:Oh, are most of the people complaining about Greasefang playing Bo1? I forget that's a thing, especially for explorer or historic. it's top tier in bo3 as well, but yeah it's a lot more obnoxious if you don't have main deck hate in a single-game scenario.
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Oct 3, 2022 21:13
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Judgy Fucker posted:Can someone explain to me like I'm a very dumb baby why Rest in Peace is not an acceptable answer to Greasefang? I haven't played explorer much in about a month or so but RIP seemed to work just fine in my angels deck against it Bo1 or Bo3? Bo1, it's a dead card in other matchups and against greasefang would need to be played proactively on turn 2 because they can so easily go end of turn discard, into greasefang. Also against the abzan version it dies to witherbloom command. Edit: Beaten multiple times.
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Oct 3, 2022 21:15
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MasterBuilder posted:Bo1 or Bo3? I had been thinking Bo3, but then Chamale posted:Definitely good against Greasefang, but against any other deck you're down a card automatically. Made me remember to specify whether I'm talking Bo1 or Bo3, since that comment only makes sense with the former Eej posted:The reason why Greasefang shifted to Abzan is for access to Witherbloom's Command, which can destroy Rest in Peace or any other GY hate card and Esika's Chariot which can apply pressure without interacting with the GY at all. Also Grisly Salvage too, I guess, but the ability to destroy Rest In Peace, Grafdigger's Cage, Unlicensed Hearse, Soul-Guide Lantern, Tormod's Crypt etc. is pretty key because it only costs 2 mana and you can often just combo out the turn you remove it. Thank you for the thorough answer. And to everyone else for chiming in!
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Oct 3, 2022 21:18
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Judgy Fucker posted:Thank you for the thorough answer. You're Welcome.
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Mono G Devotion has a really good path to beating Greasefang consistently by turbo ramping out Karn which just kills all of their vehicles from functioning and the only way to remove him is with creature damage which: lol. But, you know, no Nykthos or Oath of Nissa so every other matchup isn't as good in Explorer.
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Oct 3, 2022 21:26
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kalel posted:I also love that some junk rare from WAR ended up becoming a pivotal piece in a tier 1 deck years later https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/1...anguage=English  what other garbage trash rares have had that sort of value change years later?
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Oct 3, 2022 21:32
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not quite the same scenario but the price history on ledger shredder is funny
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I like cling to dust as a greasefang answer (one mana, instant, doesn't leave you down a card, can be replayed) but i'm sure one of you pros will tell me why that's not a good idea in bo1
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Oct 3, 2022 21:40
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Only a good card in a grindy B deck which is not very Explorer meta right now
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Hooplah posted:I like cling to dust as a greasefang answer (one mana, instant, doesn't leave you down a card, can be replayed) but i'm sure one of you pros will tell me why that's not a good idea in bo1 Mostly because after the first time it costs 4, and you need to keep your graveyard fed, and they're beating you with Chariot and probably Graveyard trespasser from the sideboard
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I'm always a fan of bouncing the grease ball with the trigger on the stack so they need another discard outlet to get it going again. Works well against the Esper and mardu version but the abzan version is able to play a fair game if the reanimation plan doesn't pan out.
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I am dogshit at drafting but I can proudly say I went 6-3 my last MID draft. My losses were all to Dimir Disturb. Disturb creatures let you outlast removal and most of them have flying, it's baller in limited.
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Starting to really really love overcharged amalgam. Nobody expects their channel lands to get countered.
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MasterBuilder posted:I'm always a fan of bouncing the grease ball with the trigger on the stack so they need another discard outlet to get it going again. Works well against the Esper and mardu version but the abzan version is able to play a fair game if the reanimation plan doesn't pan out. I think that's what finally pushed the deck over the top, when it went from an all-in T3 combo deck to being that PLUS a deck that can just beat you to death with Chariot and Informant and whatever else. Its plan B being a pretty OK midrange deck happy to let you waste a bunch of tempo and resources on sideboard hate.
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Captain Invictus posted:what other garbage trash rares have had that sort of value change years later? I had a playset of Phyrexian Dreadnought that I bought for $4 and sold a decade later for $600.
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I paper draft weekly with some buddies who are very good Arena players (3 of them are ranked Mythic) and they were discussing the power of rares and uncommon in a vacuum (so useful early in a draft before you have a direction or to see if something is particularly open). This is what one of them came up with on discord. In the rare image, the Battlemage Captain as a power-level reference.  Hopefully some of you guys struggling with limited might find this helpful. As always though, and I can't stress this enough, it is very important to draft a deck and not simply pick "good cards" in DMU. If you have found your lane through P1, seeing something super good in P2 is not an invitation to grab the card and splash it or move in or something if it doesn't fit your plan or the cards you have already drafted aren't versatile enough to accommodate a new strategy.
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kalel posted:I'm not sure what you could even ban from rakdos because it's just a pile of the best cards in those colors.
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MikeC posted:I paper draft weekly with some buddies who are very good Arena players (3 of them are ranked Mythic) and they were discussing the power of rares and uncommon in a vacuum (so useful early in a draft before you have a direction or to see if something is particularly open). This is what one of them came up with on discord. In the rare image, the Battlemage Captain as a power-level reference. The Devastator and Danitha belong in a column of their own, those you almost always take P2P1 and shift or splash for, and give strong consideration to doing that P3P1.
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Oct 4, 2022 01:18
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remember when people were seriously saying that Sheoldred would get banned lmao
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precision posted:remember when people were seriously saying that Sheoldred would get banned lmao no I don’t remember that
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Oct 4, 2022 01:46
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I remember some magic gurus thinking it would be good but not fantastic.
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Time posted:no I don’t remember that There were definitely people IN THIS VERY THREAD saying it, maybe you have them on ignore
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Lone Goat posted:There were definitely people IN THIS VERY THREAD saying it, maybe you have them on ignore oh I thought it was implicit we were talking about, like, ppl who are good and put a lot of thought into constructed which I didn’t see at all, even here
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I think there were people in this thread saying it SHOULD get banned, but i think the WOULD get banned people I only really saw elsewhere.
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That’s not a shot at anyone I just didn’t see anything like that but maybe remember some post match salt which is a very different thing
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