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What do all of these mail apps even do that Thunderbird doesn't?
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Oct 4, 2022 18:25
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Badly Jester posted:What do all of these mail apps even do that Thunderbird doesn't? I have the same question too since I just downloaded it for the first time in probably 20 years but haven't opened it or tried to configure it yet. Since I've grown to hate Outlook with a passion due to flamingly stupid design choices (Sent mailbox, why are you hiding now?) that only seem to get worse with every major release, Thunderbird looks like it could be a nice alternative for it.
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Oct 4, 2022 18:54
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what about on iOS? Like the suggestions so far 
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Oct 4, 2022 19:06
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I think most of the suggestions have companion iOS apps as well
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Oct 4, 2022 19:56
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FCKGW posted:I think most of the suggestions have companion iOS apps as well yeah but airmail doesn’t work with my jobs exchange server 
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Oct 4, 2022 20:03
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I'm using (ugh) Microsoft Outlook at work and one of my pet hates is that it does this thing regularly where it will expand the most recent email conversation at a random time without any input from me. I can be writing an email and be halfway through, then it will shove that email into the drafts and expand the most recent conversation in my inbox. Using the most recent version of Office. There's gotta be a way to turn that off, right?
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Oct 4, 2022 20:48
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Do you have a touchscreen, and is there some dirt on it?
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Oct 4, 2022 20:59
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the_lion posted:I'm using (ugh) Microsoft Outlook at work and one of my pet hates is that it does this thing regularly where it will expand the most recent email conversation at a random time without any input from me. Outlook new experience mode? Do you have keyboard shortcuts enabled?
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Oct 4, 2022 23:45
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Badly Jester posted:What do all of these mail apps even do that Thunderbird doesn't? Thunderbird is fine if you want to cosplay as a PC from 2003 I guess.
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Oct 5, 2022 03:11
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The Lord Bude posted:Thunderbird is fine if you want to cosplay as a PC from 2003 I guess. Indeed... Plus, even after generating an app-specific password I couldn't get my iCloud email to work with Thunderbird under Linux.
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Oct 5, 2022 03:44
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The Lord Bude posted:Thunderbird is fine if you want to cosplay as a PC from 2003 I guess. this is the macos thread, what do you think we're doing here
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Oct 5, 2022 07:54
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ihafarm posted:Outlook new experience mode? Do you have keyboard shortcuts enabled? Managed to turn off the auto expand thing but the drafts email thing is a separate thing. I'm not sure if it's experience mode, but ill check tomorrow! Thanks for the heads up on what it might be.
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Oct 5, 2022 08:38
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The Lord Bude posted:Thunderbird is fine if you want to cosplay as a PC from 2003 I guess. I find the UI a lot clearer than some of the other apps I've tried or have to use at work (looking at you, Outlook), and really the only thing I wanted from it was dark mode, which they added a few years back. The UI might not be pretty, but it's also not ugly; most of all, it's functional 
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Oct 5, 2022 08:59
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Badly Jester posted:I find the UI a lot clearer than some of the other apps I've tried or have to use at work (looking at you, Outlook), and really the only thing I wanted from it was dark mode, which they added a few years back. The UI might not be pretty, but it's also not ugly; most of all, it's functional It’s cool. Mozilla does have their own vibe it seems, but it’s not bad either IMO. I use Mail for similar reasons. Email mostly sucks anyway.
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Oct 5, 2022 14:03
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edit: wrong thread
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Oct 5, 2022 14:25
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Badly Jester posted:What do all of these mail apps even do that Thunderbird doesn't? IMO not much that Mail.app can already do either. That said - most mail apps differentiator is their list of features, it’s the workflow they provide or push you through. In my old job, they actually paid for Superhuman - the $25/mo mail app, for me. I used it for a while - it was nice that it had CMD+K as a root feature that allowed you to keep your hands on keyboard. I’d never pay for it myself though. So I just Mail.app most of the time with one or two specific use cases for Thunderbird.
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Oct 5, 2022 15:26
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I have a task at work that I am trying to figure out how to accomplish with the minimum amount of effort. We have a number of Macs spread out across our network, but are primarily a Windows shop. We don't have Jamf or anything else to actually manage these things so it's basically the wild west out there. I've been tasked with installing a piece of software on 12 specific computers. I wanted to just send the file to the users, once I figure out who they are, but I was told I was not allowed to do that. So I need to remote in to 12 Macs that have not been set up in any specific way for remote access. The users have admin rights, so I can ask them to change settings or install things, but there is probably a hard upper limit on what they can do without a lot of hand holding. The remote support solution we have kind of works sometimes, but requires this complicated dance where they go to a web page, I connect to them, then they have to download and install something so I can actually see their screen, then I have to reconnect, then they have to go into system preferences and grant the software a bunch of access rights, then I reconnect, and then maybe it works but also sometimes maybe it doesnt? It's terrible and I think it may be more complicated a process than a lot of our users can handle. Also sometimes it just doesn't start at all for no apparent reason. What is the easiest way, at least on the user end, to remote into a Mac and install software and perform other admin tasks? I'm definitely going to have to change some system preferences for this crap. Edit: We do have a tech account set up on these things, so I do have admin credentials too if I can get into the drat things. Cool Dad fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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Oct 5, 2022 15:50
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Probably easier to find a new job
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Oct 5, 2022 15:54
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Apple have massively locked down the ability to use any sort of remote support, they all require the user to permit things in preferences. Normally you'd use MDM to change those settings but if you had that you could just deploy the software that you need to. Not sure why you'd be given a task and then told all the different ways you aren't permitted to achieve it, but I guess that's the 80s manager for you.
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Oct 5, 2022 16:02
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That is about what I expected. I was hoping you would tell me about some special Apple product that could be purchased for this or some simple settings that could be changed to make this doable. I've been yelling about our inability to properly support Macs for years and well, here's what I've been talking about. Our security specialist dumped this on me because he does not want to deal with it.
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Oct 5, 2022 16:17
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For reference, this is how MDM providers enable remote support https://docs.jamf.com/10.32.0/jamf-pro/administrator-guide/TeamViewer_Integration.html https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/deployment/dep38df53c2a/web
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Oct 5, 2022 16:20
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If you use TeamViewer, for example, the user can install/download TeamViewer QS once, authorize screensharing/accessibility once, and never auth it again. Same applies to GoToSupport and LogMeIn. On the one hand it’s good that people’s screens/keyboards can’t be jacked without permission, on the other hand the dance was a royal pain in the butt. But at least I only had to do it once.
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Oct 5, 2022 16:38
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Cool Dad posted:That is about what I expected. I was hoping you would tell me about some special Apple product that could be purchased for this or some simple settings that could be changed to make this doable. My post earlier in this thread: dexter6 posted:I am in charge of about 75 employees and all have a company issued Windows computer managed by Intune and I just got our 3 Macs managed by Intune as well. Unless you need anything crazy, you might be able to do it all with what you already have with Intune. dexter6 fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Oct 5, 2022 |
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Oct 5, 2022 16:51
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Cool Dad posted:I have a task at work that I am trying to figure out how to accomplish with the minimum amount of effort. We have a number of Macs spread out across our network, but are primarily a Windows shop. We don't have Jamf or anything else to actually manage these things so it's basically the wild west out there. I've been tasked with installing a piece of software on 12 specific computers. I wanted to just send the file to the users, once I figure out who they are, but I was told I was not allowed to do that. So I need to remote in to 12 Macs that have not been set up in any specific way for remote access. The users have admin rights, so I can ask them to change settings or install things, but there is probably a hard upper limit on what they can do without a lot of hand holding. The remote support solution we have kind of works sometimes, but requires this complicated dance where they go to a web page, I connect to them, then they have to download and install something so I can actually see their screen, then I have to reconnect, then they have to go into system preferences and grant the software a bunch of access rights, then I reconnect, and then maybe it works but also sometimes maybe it doesnt? It's terrible and I think it may be more complicated a process than a lot of our users can handle. Also sometimes it just doesn't start at all for no apparent reason. If they are admins, make a facetime call and have them share the desktop so you can solve your current conundrum. Afterwards, since you are a mainly windows shop, make a case to your management to do a PoC on intune endpoint management.
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Oct 5, 2022 17:06
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Cool Dad posted:That is about what I expected. I was hoping you would tell me about some special Apple product that could be purchased for this or some simple settings that could be changed to make this doable. Note that I haven't done any of the Remote Desktop stuff since the bad old days before MDM was a thing so I don't know how well it works these days but I can try it out if you want to go down that route. If they're not willing to spend money on it or you don't have access to a Mac you can instead get your users to turn on remote login which will let you use SSH with your admin account. You can then use scp to copy the installer and run it from the command line remotely either through putty or WSL or something similar.
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Oct 5, 2022 20:46
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Cool Dad posted:That is about what I expected. I was hoping you would tell me about some special Apple product that could be purchased for this or some simple settings that could be changed to make this doable. That special product is Jamf.
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Oct 10, 2022 23:07
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Apple did buy Fleetsmith not that long ago, which they they proceeded to shut down, presumably rolled it into Business Essentials
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Oct 11, 2022 00:22
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Everyone who uses non-Mail.app, is this for business purposes? That's the only reason I can think of these days to need more than it offers. My personal email box has nothing but order confirmations and marketing in it, so the less time spent in it the better imo.
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Oct 11, 2022 15:41
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I’d use mail.app if I could but it and calendar.app are having trouble showing new events or cancelling events via invitations received in exchange/o365 and it’s been a bit bothersome.
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Oct 11, 2022 16:23
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EL BROMANCE posted:Everyone who uses non-Mail.app, is this for business purposes? That's the only reason I can think of these days to need more than it offers. My personal email box has nothing but order confirmations and marketing in it, so the less time spent in it the better imo.
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Oct 11, 2022 17:11
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I switched from Spark to Mail with iOS 16 - the swiping gestures changing depending on if I'm using a gmail or other e-mail address is kinda annoying. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with the switch overall. I use Outlook for work email, it's fine enough. Gmail just feels like a web wrapper app to me. Calendar wise, some aspects of iOS Calendar annoys me (dots don't show calendar colors, its missing a list view of all upcoming events/reminders), so I use Fantastical free edition.
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Oct 11, 2022 18:37
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Anyone else having iMessage notification issues today? Messages are showing up in macos Messages, but never as unread. I know there was an iOS update today which mentioned notification issues, but this started happening yesterday and persists after the iOS update. Very annoying!
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Oct 11, 2022 22:09
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Gay Retard posted:I switched from Spark to Mail with iOS 16 - the swiping gestures changing depending on if I'm using a gmail or other e-mail address is kinda annoying. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with the switch overall. I use Outlook for work email, it's fine enough. Gmail just feels like a web wrapper app to me. If you're referring to archive/delete you can change which one it defaults to under Advanced in Mail > Accounts > insert account name here > Advanced > Move discarded messages
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Oct 11, 2022 22:32
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Getting some (recent) weird behavior on my M1 MBP. My desktop wallpaper settings aren't sticking for some reason; I've got a folder of wallpapers in my Pictures folder & have it selected in the desktop settings. I typically select "random" and "every 5 minutes" as the behavior. While I'm logged in, this works fine. But if I shutdown, restart, sleep, or even close the lid, then it reverts back to the first image in the wallpaper folder and the "random" and "every 'X' minutes' options are deselected. Searching the official forums has proved fruitless so far. This is on Monterey 12.6 btw.
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Oct 12, 2022 00:11
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101 posted:If you're referring to archive/delete you can change which one it defaults to under Advanced in Mail > Accounts > insert account name here > Advanced > Move discarded messages I'm not seeing any "Advanced" option in Settings > Mail or when I search the Settings for "Mail". Must be a macOS-only option and not in iOS?
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Oct 12, 2022 14:26
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i just like mailmate op
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Oct 12, 2022 16:48
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Gay Retard posted:I'm not seeing any "Advanced" option in Settings > Mail or when I search the Settings for "Mail". Must be a macOS-only option and not in iOS? Go into the accounts screen and then press on the account you want to change and then account on that screen and then advanced. It's definitely on iOS
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Oct 12, 2022 16:51
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pzy posted:Anyone else having iMessage notification issues today? Messages are showing up in macos Messages, but never as unread. I know there was an iOS update today which mentioned notification issues, but this started happening yesterday and persists after the iOS update. Very annoying! Absolutely no clue how it happened, but Messages notifications were turned off in macos. Never even touched that control panel, bizarro.
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Oct 12, 2022 18:20
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pzy posted:Absolutely no clue how it happened, but Messages notifications were turned off in macos. Never even touched that control panel, bizarro. I think you can turn them off from the notifications themselves nowadays. maybe you misclicked "Turn off" instead of like "Mute for today"
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Oct 13, 2022 00:35
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My Windows Bootcamp partition broke overnight (boots and then shuts off) and after trying to diagnose it for a few hours I went with the nuclear option of “reset this PC” via Windows which seemed fix whatever issue I was having. But now I have a new installation of Windows and the Boot Camp Assistant software is missing. My touchbar doesn’t work (doesn’t turn on/light up) so I have no function keys or media keys to control display brightness etc. Is there a way to install just Boot Camp Assistant or do I seriously need to nuke the entire partition from macOS and reinstall from scratch? Posting this in macOS thread cause I figure more people here would be familiar with bootcamp issues.
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