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Fruits of the sea posted:Huh, yeah that's a lot more precise. The red text in the quote someone posted at you above is the author stating his intent That's Kurvitz before Disco Elysium was anything else it was a project he made with just his friends and a book so you can pretty safely assign his stated intent to the work they made together
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:I wanna say I *very vaguely* remember the ZA/UM office having a photo or portrait of Stalin at one point, which I always assumed was ironic anyway? That's the only thing I got for that. quote:There is something that would be inescapably out of place in most British front rooms, though. ZA/UM have a shiny green-gold bust of Lenin in pride of place on the mantle, which I feel compelled to ask about. Kurvitz jokes that it came cheap ("There was a big sale on Lenin statues after the fall of the Soviet Union") but admits they are probably atypical amongst Eastern European intellectuals. (source)
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oscarthewilde posted:the real real fun part is the libs on twitter. their takes are so mind-blowingly bad you really start to doubt the (critical) reading skills of the general internet user Staying away from Twitter is confirmed as a good decision nearly daily. Countblanc posted:what did this person even like about it if not the main writing focus and the art. DE's gameplay isn't exactly gripping I've had this thought pop up in my head about 2 years ago and it pops up ever more frequently as time has gone on: A very significant part of people's enjoyment of video games (and also films) is driven by the musical score. They don't themselves realize this, which is why they hardly discuss it. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Oct 4, 2022 |
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Shinjobi posted:I enjoyed Disco Elysium. I'm fine with leaving it at that. I'd be fine if it was one of those situations where they simply can't manage to match that project again or even develop another game that dense considering it took them like a decade and an unbelievable amount of things to fall into place to release the original game. But gently caress, the core creative team being ousted is kind of dire, and given it doesn't seem to be a situation where they were ousted because they were, I dunno, sex pests or whatever, but they were simply pushed out by a bunch of suits who literally don't seem to understand that they've hurt their own company massively... that sucks big time. I must have misremembered this as being Stalin then. Tbh, having a bust of Lenin is such a minor thing for a follower of the Marxist tradition that I don't see how it can even be controversial. Considering even loving Jordan Peterson has a bunch of Lenin paintings, by itself it wouldn't even be enough to call the devs communists! (Though they are, which somehow was a point of contention, earlier in the thread.)
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The Saddest Rhino posted:https://twitter.com/mrsambarlow/status/1576618736601026561?t=zoTXKru6bt835UrTjG9Nng&s=19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scGohPNxfhI
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:The red text in the quote someone posted at you above is the author stating his intent ohh lmao  y'all could have said the quote(s?) were by Kurvitz a little earlier on. Yeah, OK Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Oct 4, 2022 |
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:I'd be fine if it was one of those situations where they simply can't manage to match that project again or even develop another game that dense considering it took them like a decade and an unbelievable amount of things to fall into place to release the original game. Oh it sucks a great deal. But never before have I felt so confident that I'm gonna be just fine ignoring their games moving forward. It would be weirder if only like...one person got dropped.
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At this point the team could just kickstart their own studio and fans would be hurling money at them. I seriously doubt we've seen the last of them, even if they need to make new IP to do it.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:At this point the team could just kickstart their own studio and fans would be hurling money at them. I seriously doubt we've seen the last of them, even if they need to make new IP to do it. I know this sentiment has been going around a lot but Luiga’s whole post was about how the four of them have stopped making art together as a collective, and the fact that they’re not at ZA/UM Studio anymore was a side note that the internet actually chose to shout “WHAT” at. But that departure happened apparently a year ago and the main point of Luiga’s post is that the collective the company was founded around is now over. I am sure the four of them are smart enough to recognize they could easily leverage the good will they’ve built amongst gamers, they just chose not to for whatever reason. Of course, I’d be happy to eat crow on this, but I don’t think you’re going to see the four of them working on a single project together again any time soon.
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if they ate an (apparently far-reaching) NDA on their way out then they surely also have some kind of noncompete clause, so there are many hoops to jump through beyond things like money or motivation another somewhat under the radar thing is that Luiga is presently in a hospital psych ward. it'd be irresponsible to draw any sort of connection between that and the news, but it does illustrate that this situation is impossible to compare with superficially similar ones, like what happened with Kojima
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The maximum non-compete clause length in Estonia is 1 year (found from a basic Google search) and I doubt such a clause could go so far as to forbid someone from pursuing their chosen profession at all. In any case, if they were fired in 2021 then the clock is quickly running out on any theoretical non-compete agreements.
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Oh right, I guess I thought they were in Estonia because of all the hubbub about that Estonian investor that was convicted of fraud. Though a quick followup search indicates that 12-months is the maximum that is likely to be enforced in England as well, or even less for non-executives not in potentially damaging positions, given that the point of those clauses is to prevent proprietary institutional knowledge from being poached to other competing companies, not simply as a gently caress you to outgoing employees.
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I think more than any legal issues, losing the rights to the world you spent 20 years building is pretty demoralizing and probably doesn't inspire someone to immediately want to get back out there and make a new game elsewhere.
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WrightOfWay posted:I think more than any legal issues, losing the rights to the world you spent 20 years building is pretty demoralizing and probably doesn't inspire someone to immediately want to get back out there and make a new game elsewhere.
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WrightOfWay posted:I think more than any legal issues, losing the rights to the world you spent 20 years building is pretty demoralizing and probably doesn't inspire someone to immediately want to get back out there and make a new game elsewhere. No silly, don't you see, they'll just pick up and make even better games fueled by our collective adoration. Burnout and alienation have no effect on the creative mind. They are basically abstract factories that make Disco Elysium widgets.
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Volte posted:Oh right, I guess I thought they were in Estonia because of all the hubbub about that Estonian investor that was convicted of fraud. Though a quick followup search indicates that 12-months is the maximum that is likely to be enforced in England as well, or even less for non-executives not in potentially damaging positions, given that the point of those clauses is to prevent proprietary institutional knowledge from being poached to other competing companies, not simply as a gently caress you to outgoing employees. Luiga's location in the announcement was specifically a psychiatric facility in Tallinn, capital of Estonia. Hindpere's LinkedIn location is London. A few days ago I saw somebody dig something up about Kurvitz now working for a Tallinn-based videogame company (can't remember the name, but it was an OÜ). It was listed on some Estonian LinkedIn equivalent.
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who knows how their personal relationship is at this point. might be hard to get back together even if they somehow got the ip back.
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I'd say DE lampoons communism as well as communists, same as the other ideologies. It also paints the dock worker's union as morally complex, but ultimately securing better outcomes for the working class of martinaise, through means no worse than the gunships and "provisional member status" and RCM so on. I think the point is idealism has no winning strategy in reality, which is the point of the brief moment of the tower in the communism substory. I also saw a post about DE that said moralists (called liberals in America) are quite happy with the status quo and will kill anyone who tries to change it, fascists hate it but are stuck in the immediate present, and communists lament a better future stolen.
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Fruits of the sea posted:E: I think folks have a tendency to conflate fascism, socialism, EU style social-conservatism and old-school communism. It's kinda hard to figure out what people are talking about when those words mean totally different things to different people. And the definitions change depending on if you're talking to somebody in North America, Western Europe or Eastern Europe. And South America for that matter
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Sardonik posted:One of the more refreshing elements of DE is precisely the fact that it uses actual definitions of the ideologies and imagines a world where people actually understand and use them correctly. It is perhaps the most fanciful element of DE. lol this take is excellent
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Antonymous posted:it's possible the psych ward part of the post was in jest That was my immediate thought, I'm kinda surprised to see so many people take it at face value
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I absolutely do not think it was a jest. Last time I left a game studio post-crunch I was doing nights in the local ER for observation.
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Sardonik posted:One of the more refreshing elements of DE is precisely the fact that it uses actual definitions of the ideologies and imagines a world where people actually understand and use them correctly. It is perhaps the most fanciful element of DE. It's a utopia that could only be born in Eastern Europe, where words no longer have meanings.
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Sardonik posted:One of the more refreshing elements of DE is precisely the fact that it uses actual definitions of the ideologies and imagines a world where people actually understand and use them correctly. It is perhaps the most fanciful element of DE. The Racist Lorry Driver believing that Evrart, Joyce, the Sunday Friend and the Mega-Rich Light-Bending Guy are all communists would be the most realistic take "Wild Pines more like WOKE Pines"
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Pattonesque posted:The Racist Lorry Driver believing that Evrart, Joyce, the Sunday Friend and the Mega-Rich Light-Bending Guy are all communists would be the most realistic take What is the lorry jam, if not a Freedom Convoy?
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Oh god I thought that job posting was a joke, just checked and it's real JFC.
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General Battuta posted:I absolutely do not think it was a jest. Last time I left a game studio post-crunch I was doing nights in the local ER for observation. yeah it's not a joke, he's been in and out of psych wards for a while
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A guy who just got crushed by light bending ultra rich as they try to steal his literal life's work is entitled to as many psyche ward stays as he needs.
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Antonymous posted:it's possible the psych ward part of the post was in jest he's got other random tweets about his experiences in the psych ward, dunno if that's a joke
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lol they're purging the negative reviews on Steam now, RIP
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I guess this is the part where the sense of tragic loss is overtaken by the anger and the corporate flailing that shits all over not just future prospects but the legacy of the original
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Mind you, "don't buy this game" is not the same thing as "don't play this game"... It's what Kras Mazov would want.
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