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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Is the Shire really feudal, they have no lords. They’re more of a anarcho-syndicalist commune.

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i love lotr but holy gently caress i do not care about marxist analysis of the shire

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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the shire is more of a capitalist utopia, with happy masters owning happy estates, with servants who never get abused

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

gandalf couldn't have asked the eagles to fly the ring to mount doom because the eagles represent america and tolkein was prescient enough to know that america couldn't be trusted with the world's most dangerous object

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

the shire is more like a nest of rats. hierarchical but also quite anarchistic. also like a nest of termites or a den of rabbits

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Here's what you need to know about LotR - Tolkien was a linguist and those people are all nuts. Everything was just an excuse to make and use Elvish.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Epic High Five posted:

Here's what you need to know about LotR - Tolkien was a linguist and those people are all nuts. Everything was just an excuse to make and use Elvish.

he also did biblical translations!

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

lollontee posted:

the shire is more of a capitalist utopia, with happy masters owning happy estates, with servants who never get abused

Given Tolkien's religious views and temperament perhaps they could be considered Distributist, every hobbit is a capitalist owner himself.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i love lotr but holy gently caress i do not care about marxist analysis of the shire

shut up. This is the future of marxism.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

lollontee posted:

the shire is more of a capitalist utopia, with happy masters owning happy estates, with servants who never get abused

They literally ritualistically destroy their surplus in the early chapter by going on a feeding frenzy.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/BlairMtnOrBust/status/1577298332145405954

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Maximo Roboto posted:

Is the Shire really feudal, they have no lords. They’re more of a anarcho-syndicalist commune.

frodo owns bag end and sam is his "gardener" who seems to draw no salary nor have his own land to garden but is attached at the hip to frodo for unspecified reasons, all of which implies that sam is in fact enserfed to his landlord, frodo baggins

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
there isnt much political economy in the shire to speak about. the bagginses are clearly rich, even before bilbo meets gandalf, but his wealth has no discernable source. he doesn't work and he doesnt seem to own any land apart from his home. he must own land worked by others but this is never mentioned.

the only other landowners we know about are people like farmer maggot who work their own land.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 has issued a correction as of 18:53 on Oct 5, 2022

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
people like to talk about how the sam/frodo relationship only makes sense if they are gay lovers but in fact if you read enough russian literature you will note eerie similarities with the many tales of young incompetent aristocrats off on adventures accompanied by a longsuffering and much more competent companion serf who does all the work


e: also just learned that sam inherited his position as gardener from his father who was bilbo's gardener, wow the evidence really does all add up

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Also he insists on referring to Frodo with an honorific, implying lower station

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
I think he modeled the relationship after soldier-servants in the British army.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth
Saruman was petty bourgeoisie

Or is that the nazgul

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Rings are Veblen goods

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

there isnt much political economy in the shire to speak about. the bagginses are clearly rich, even before bilbo meets gandalf, but his wealth has no discernable source. he doesn't work and he doesnt seem to own any land apart from his home. he must own land worked by others but this is never mentioned.

the only other landowners we know about are people like farmer maggot who work their own land.

he just has the most knickknacks

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
(((Sauron)))

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

[Marxism] you can still be normal and defend tolkien

droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth
Yeah I dunno I've actually seen anarchists unironically use Tolkien as evidence supporting primitivism on Reddit so....

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BqQrN1OCPI&t=41s

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://grossmanite.medium.com/beca...ty-dbc3e7b478ea

quote:

Automation is abolishing the source of profit, making socialism an economic and technical necessity for the first time
Grossmanite
27-34 minutes

The general rate of profit tends historically towards zero. Source: Estaban Maito

Since the inevitable evolution of production from mechanisation to automation is abolishing capital’s theft of commodity-producing labour’s labour time — the sole source of profit — capitalism is losing its ability to create enough exchange-value to preserve and expand the total value of capital and is sooner or later likely to spiral into a crisis of worldwide hyperinflation followed by the worst collapse in production since the 1930s.

Socialism (the lower stage of communism), whereby private enterprise owned by the few is turned into social enterprise owned by all, with output based on demand and break-even planning rather than exploitation and profitability — thereby abolishing system-inherent causes of recession — is therefore becoming an economic necessity *for the first time*.

Because the mechanical technological mode of production is a binary one, the (non-binary) singularity of the system of fully automated production we are heading towards is also making socialism a technical necessity.

Combined with ongoing technological leaps (precision fermentation, genetic engineering, 3D printing, etc.) and a transition to emissions-free, i.e. additive and non-labour intensive forms of production (3D printing, liquid thorium, microbial fuel cells, hemp bioplastics, etc; capitalism being dependent on subtractive, labour-intensive production) socialism will therefore increasingly enable sustainable abundant material wealth *for all*, leading to higher communism, when the state becomes irrelevant and withers away.

Is worldwide hyperinflation really looming?

➤ A third ‘one in 100 year’ financial bubble in three decades — there had been no equivalent since the 1929 Wall Street Crash — engulfing the world economy has been labelled ‘the everything bubble’ (the previous two being the 2000–01 dot com bubble and the 2007–09 housing bubble) because it now encompasses every asset/debt class for the first time.

➤ Official US national debt-to-GDP — driven by private sector debt heaped onto the backs of the public — hit an all time high of 137.2% in 2021, having averaged 64.54% since 1940. The record high aggregate global debt is unsustainable since the tax base needed to repay it is shrinking in relative terms.

The ‘everything bubble’ encompasses all debt asset classes for the first time.

Global debt across all sectors increased by over $10 trillion in 2019, topping $255 trillion. At over 322% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), that put global debt 40 percentage points ($87 trillion) higher than at the onset of the 2007–09 financial crisis Emerging market borrowing, led by China, inflated the global debt mountain to a record $303 trillion in 2021.

Nation-states that fail to push their debt back below 90% usually go on to default on their debt (fail to repay it) and go bankrupt. The actual figure has been estimated to be 2.5 times higher (as of July 2019) and 2.5 times higher than the global money supply (as of 2015, up from two times higher in 2013).

As of 23 November, 21% of all US dollars in circulation had been printed in 2020, taking the figure to 75% over the past 12 years. The dollar is being devalued at record speed, but this only reflects the devalution of commodities, driven by innovation — the quicker and more abundantly commodities are made, the cheaper and less profitable each commodity tends to become.

The record high debt figures have been matched by an unprecedented explosion in the money supply as central banks have electronically ‘printed’ money to buy up all the corporate debt that is partly responsible for making corporations unattractive to investors. The (US) Federal Reserve’s balance sheet rose from $900bn in September 2008, during ‘the global financial crisis’, to $9 trillion in 2020 — an unprecedented 10-fold increase.

Money printing of course ‘devalues the money supply’ per dollar; but is actually a reflection of the devaluation of capital arising from exponential leaps in absolute productive output and the manifesting shortage of exchange-value being created by commodity-production, i.e. per commodity (see below). E.g. 10 commodities produced in 5 hours having previously taken 10 hours to produce cost half as much as they did before.

➤ Lifting the US economy out of recession has required on average since 1958 a baseline interest rate cut of 6% (in order to cheapen capital to incentivise lending and borrowing); but since the (worst ever) stock market crash in March 2020, rates were already near zero, having been cut after March 2020 from 0.75% in the UK and 1.75% in the US. Neither country had ever gone below 1% before 2010, but have been more or less stuck at zero since 2009.

Going lower still into negative rates — or perhaps even keeping short term rates at zero and bringing down medium and long-term rates — would require even more money printing and debt purchasing than after March 2020.

It may also involve charges on bank deposits, bans of high dominations of cash (to convert it into stocks and bonds in order to lower interest rates, hence the so-called ‘war on cash’); and charges on low dominations; wealth taxes; and ‘bail-ins’ whereby banks stave off insolvency by seizing assets from customers or converting deposits into equity.

‘The Buffet indicator’ — total market capital of stocks divided by GDP. The average value of the US stock markets is historically around 50–100% of GDP, but it has climbed to over 200%, indicating an enormous, unprecedented financial ‘bubble’, the third in the past three decades. Before that there had been one since the bubble that preceded the 1929 Wall Street Crash.

All this may reinflate the global bond (debt) bubble for another few years or so, but such options are limited — there is only so much cash that can be converted into stocks; and will also require increasingly massive amounts of central bank money printing to push up the prices of bonds (thereby lowering interest rates). How negative can negative rates go? There must be a limit.

The trillions of dollars of sovereign debt already subjected to negative rates, meaning investors are essentially paying for the privilege of lending money to the capitalist state, has been remarkably and increasingly high since 2014. Banks, many of which are already close to going bust, have warned that making base rates too negative would make them unprofitable.

➤ Eventually even the richest countries will default on their debt. Public bailouts just about saved most major banks in the 2007–09 crisis, thanks to a sufficient devaluation and centralisation of capital (the necessary solution to every capitalist crisis/recession), accelerating rises in monopolisation, poverty and inequality.

“The decrease in interest rate is a symptom of the annulment of capital only inasmuch as it is a symptom of the growing domination of capital in the process of perfecting itself — of the estrangement which is growing and therefore hastening it’s annulment.” — Karl Marx / “The rate of interest is related to the profit rate in a similar way as the market price of a commodity is to its value…. The general rate of profit, in fact, reappears in the average rate of interest as an empirical, given fact.” — Henryk Grossman

➤ Eventually central banks will run out of cash to convert into stocks and the debt bubble will burst as profitable investment declines and interest rates therefore start going back up, making government debt increasingly expensive to pay-off and leading to surges in debt-to-GDP and panic selling as investors realise that the government is broke.

➤ Bondholders will dump bonds and instead panic buy hard assets, especially precious metals, adding to the potential for hyperinflation. Central banks may be forced to purchase dumped bonds, sending national (public) debt ever-higher.

➤ Capitalists also use inflation/hyperinflation in a crisis anyway to effectively torch wages, debt and taxes, i.e. in order to centralise capital into fewer hands and rewiden profit margins. They do so partly by imposing artificial scarcity through cuts to production, raising demand relative to supply. (A study published in July 2022 found that, by doing this, capitalists raise energy prices by 70–80%.)

Automation is abolishing the source of profit? What?!

➤ Of the roughly 750 currencies that have existed since 1700, less than 20% remain.

➤ British pound sterling has lost more than 99.5% of its purchasing power since its adoption as official currency in 1694. The US dollar has lost more than 96% of its purchasing power since 1913, having barely changed in the previous 140 years when the rate of the economy’s growth (relative to its size) was much higher. The vast amount of that figure, 91%, has come since 1949, when the US supplanted Britain as the world’s imperialist superpower. The figure since 1970 is 85% (93.5% for Britain), when the US, Britain and Europe entered their first major post-WWII recession and the technological (digital/computing/automation) revolution really took off, with currency’s link to gold becoming a restraint on economic growth (since gold’s finite nature limited the number of dollars that could be printed and thus invested in production).

➤ GDP growth rates are trending towards and already closing in on zero, having been around 6% in the 1960s and below 2% since 2000.

Decade-by-decade average GDP growth rates in what the World Bank defines as ‘high income countries’ are trending towards zero.

➤ The aggregate global rate of profit is also trending historically towards zero, having fallen from an estimated 43% in the 1870s to 17% in the 2000s.

➤ Between 1964 and 2014, the average lifespan of S&P 500 companies shrank from around 60 to 18 years.

➤ The Energy Return on Investment (EROI) on fossil fuel has fallen from above 100:1 (a return of 100 units of energy for every 1 invested) before the 1930s to around 3–6:1 in 2019. Indeed, in April 2020 the price of US oil fell below zero for the first time ever. The value of Saudi Arabia’s oil infrastructure is predicted to fall from $2bn to minus-$800bn by 2030. According to Sid Smith, all forms of energy production are becoming unprofitable. (The fossil fuel industry only remains ‘profitable’ because of its parasitic dependence on public subsidies of $16bn a day.)

➤ Production costs and consumer commodity prices have trended secularly/historically towards zero, since commodities tend to become cheaper the faster and more abundantly they are produced. For example, whereas the world’s fastest supercomputer in 1975 was worth $5m ($32m in 2013’s money), the price of an iPhone 4 released in 2010 with the equivalent performance was $400. Aerospace companies producing propulsion systems in 2010 for $24m in 24 months are now 3-D printing their engines for $2,000 in two weeks. (Source: Aaron Bastani, Fully Automated Luxury Communism, p. 123).

One gigabyte of data storage, for example, fell from around $200,000 in 1980 to just $0.03 in 2014.

While it took 13 years and billions of dollars to sequence the first human genome, the cost had fallen to below $100 by 2017.

Such developments mean companies are increasingly likely to find it cheaper to produce ‘at home’ instead of exploiting overseas labour and transit workers (who transport commodities).

As Rethink X states: “Our food system is being transformed as we learn how to make affordable high-quality proteins and other molecules [through lab-grown ‘cellular agriculture’ and ‘precision fermentation’ (programmed microbiolisation; a form of automation)] without the need to grow plants and animals. The DNA of a single soy plant or chicken will be enough to create an unlimited quantity of soy or chicken proteins. Our newfound ability to design and produce infinite organic compounds like we design apps or videos will likely distribute the power to engineer our own food cheaply, sweeping away the industrial dairy and meat industries.”

In 2000, the cost of producing one kilogram of one type of molecule through precision fermentation cost $1 million, but in 2020 the cost had fallen to around $100. In 2020, precision fermentation was on course to become cost-competitive with bulk animal protein, which stood at around $10 per kg for casein and whey, by 2025. It is expected to fall below $10 per kg by 2025, before becoming five times cheaper than traditional animal proteins by 2030, and 10 times cheaper by 2035. As soon as a company like Nestle starts buying its milk this way — as it must to rewiden its own profit margins — the conventional farming industry will collapse.

“The capitalistic mode of production… is never able to get out of that ‘vicious circle’… this circle is gradually narrowing… the movement becomes more and more a spiral, and must come to an end.”
— Friedrich Engels, Socialism, Utopian and Scientific, 1877

➤ Machines cannot sell their labour power (capacity to work) and are therefore unexploitable; i.e. they do not produce surplus value, i.e. surplus labour time, the time the worker (wage-slave/proletarian) works beyond their necessary labour time (the value of their labour power and cost of subsistence). Surplus labour time is thus surplus value that the capitalist appropriates from the worker and realises through the sale of commodities.

The real measure of value is labour time, since this is the one thing that all exchangeable commodities have in common that makes them exchangeable (via a third, universal commodity, the money-commodity). The value of all commodities is the same as their combined necessary labour time, driven down to the minimum by competition and innovation.

If the worker creates eight hours worth of value a day, she only keeps what she needs to pay to reproduce herself and her dependents (living costs/necessary labour time); three hours, for example, with the other five (surplus labour time) going to the capitalist. The capitalist continually needs to increase and maximise surplus value production, i.e. towards eight out of eight hours in our example. Profit is therefore essentially unpaid (surplus) labour (time).

At the same time, as productivity rises through innovation, the costs of subsistence tend to fall, and so the rate of exploitation (the ratio of surplus to necessary labour time) can actually rise while living standards rise (at least in terms of the absolute number of commodities consumed).

Capital’s exploitation of labour’s labour time is obscured by the money-wage relation, what Marx called the commodity fetish (gold being the money-commodity).

The trend of increasing surplus labour time cannot, of course, exceed 24 hours a day, making the expansion of surplus value production historically limited. Although workers cannot physically work round the clock, capital’s plundering of personal/private data from smart phones and computers is now moving the dynamic towards 24/7 exploitation in a way that was not possible in the past (and stealthily reintroducing/expanding child labour). Data is now more profitable than oil.

Furthermore, the necessary labour time of the most productive workers in the automation age — scientists, engineers, coders, etc. — is high, since the character of their labour is increasingly complex. It includes the cost of their qualifications, computers and other equipment. Their surplus labour time is therefore high in absolute terms but increasingly low in relative terms. Producing a unit of data invariably takes almost no labour time at all, for example.

Because the means of production are consumed during the production process, their value is only preserved by absorbing the labour time of the workers who at the same time replace the consumed means of production. (Oil is consumed during the production of oil, for example.)

So as productivity rises, the amount of surplus value absorbed by the means of production tends in the long run to fall, and so the value of the means of production also falls until it becomes unprofitable to invest in.

➤ Services workers are relatively unproductive/unexploitable — in terms of surplus value produced per commodity — since they only tend to handle finished/near-finished commodities. Even Africa and Latin America have been deindustrialising (moving from manufacturing to predominantly services-based workforces) over the past decade.

➤ Automation, a necessary development due to accumulation’s ongoing need for ever-rising productivity growth and also driven by capitalist competition — not to mention humanity’s natural tendency to innovate to save labour and enhance the quality of life — is therefore abolishing the source of surplus value, exchange value and profit.

To be more precise, automation is the final expression of capitalism’s self-abolishing tendency.

➤ Capital itself is a generally ever-growing fetter (restraint) on investment, innovation and productivity growth, which has spluttered below 1% in the 2010s, since the ever-rising overaccumulation or surplus of capital, expressed in debt, or disused or destroyed means of production (or that which is reconverted into productive capital via devaluation), is an expression of the increasing unprofitability of (re)investing in production (hence increasing trillions of dollars hoarded in tax havens, or chucked into speculation, waiting for profitable investment opportunities in production to turn up).
Rethink X also predicts total systemic collapse this decade.

➤ Capital accumulation is approaching a historical limit as capital’s absolute value is only preserved if it grows sufficiently:* an ever-greater proportion of surplus value has to be dedicated to accumulation, meaning the consumption funds for both the capitalist and the worker eventually begin to decline absolutely, provoking capitalists to ramp up attacks on both their competition and the working class. The outlay on wages has to be slashed; workers are replaced by automation to raise productivity (and robots don’t even need sick pay etc.).

In such circumstances, the Canutes who do not fight for socialism can only fight for fascism, slavery and world (probably nuclear) war (since the accumulation crisis is forcing nation-states into intensified competition, as evidenced by the rising trade wars (which hit record levels before the presidency of Donald Trump and Brexit).

*If the value of capital is 100 and the surplus value available to reproduce that 100 is 75, there is an overaccumulation of capital of 25. By expanding production and deepening the rate of exploitation, capital can be devalued, to say 90, and the amount of surplus value needed to reproduce and expand (or valorise, i.e. create enough value) capital raised to 95 so that the overaccumulation is overcome. Any devaluation, however, tends to be offset by absolute growth (whereas each unit is devalued); and in the long run the growth of capital value tends to outstrip the growth of surplus value production as the pool of exploitable labour shrinks relative to the growth of capital (machinery/automation). Devaluation postpones the tendency for accumulation to breakdown on the one hand but on the other decreases the amount of labour time contained in each commodity. (See Henryk Grossman, The Law of Accumulation and the Breakdown of the Capitalist System.)

➤ Another way of looking at the situation in historical terms: just as the number of slaves in the US declined as a percentage of the population (from approx. 25% in 1790 to 16% in 1860) before slavery ended (via civil war); manufacturing workers have declined as a percentage of the US workforce from 26.4% in 1970 to 8% in 2018.

(The decline of slavery relative to the rise of waged labour, along with its exhaustion of the soil through extensive farming, compelled the slave-owning South to expand and export slavery, compelling the North to fight back to maintain capitalist production. As the civil war progressed, it became clear that abolishing slavery throughout the US was the only way to save the Union and US agriculture. More generally, before this, slavery was unenforcable in urban and factory settings — and the limits of man meant he had to be supplemented by mechanical machines, to raise productivity — necessitating the transition to waged labour.)

➤ The means of production evolve and improve ‘organically’ in order to meet the demands of capital accumulation — although innovation and the tendency for machinery to grow relative to labour is also historical; both continue under any system due to man’s inherent tendency to seek labour-saving and life-enhancing innovations — but eventually demand new relations of ownership. Just as slavery and feudalism became increasingly inefficient forms of production that not only prevented countries from becoming richer but made the bulk of their populations increasingly poorer, the same is now increasingly true of capitalism and the private ownership of the means of production. (Production is already socialised — goods are produced to make available for sale to all of society — in terms of consumption, including the consumption of labour by capital, meaning labour is also already socialised.)

The commodity, the basis of capitalist society, is dually characterised by exchange value and use value (utility), but the evolving deindustrialisation, servicisation, automation and digitalisation of labour has evolved a new economic-technical basis to society whereby exchange value is withering away, leaving one that demands a new political-legal superstructure based solely on use value; i.e., the public/social/human ownership of all production and services; centrally planned, break-even utility production; and the replacement of money by a (non-transferable) voucher system pegged to labour time.

Put another way: the economic-technical basis to the social formation known as capitalism is both a value composition (constant capital:variable capital, or c:v (the value of the means of production: the value of the outlay on labour power/wages)); and a technical labour composition (means of production:living labour, or MP:L). Constant (dead) capital is withering away due to the dwindling size of and now exponentially rising productivity/capacity of variable (living) labour.

So whereas capitalism has long been a dualistic, mechanised system of production, it is now rapidly evolving into a singular, automated system of production — socialism.

Whereas computing operations, for example, are binary, quantum computing operations are non-binary, existing on a spectrum.

(Hence why sexual, gender, biological (emerging from post-manufacturing labour, (domestic) labour-saving innovations, rising technical capacity, etc.), racial (capital’s need to cheapen and expand the exploitable labour, colonialism, immigration, mixed-raced generations) and national binaries (monopolisation, trade connections, the internet) are already noticeably starting to wither away. These socially/politically/economically constructed binaries — which emerged only approx. 13,000 years ago with the advent of private property (which in turn emerged out of the neolithic/agricultural revolution and the surplus produce, barter and trade it introduced), before which (approx. 287,000 years of human history!) the state and war also did not exist — will not be ‘abolished’ in the first years of communism but continue to wither away in a natural, historical, evolutionary way over many decades and centuries as new and increasingly ambitious generations embrace increasing amounts of free time and higher technical and productive capacities that enable them to increasingly break free from the confines of binary structures and thinking. Indeed, the quantum sciences are increasingly debunking classical physics and proving Marx’s realisation that matter is a kinetic, fluid process rather than made up of billiard-ball like atoms.)

In socialism, the technical labour process is no longer slowed down (by recessions, surplus capital, commercial secrecy, etc.) or conditioned by the valorisation process.

➤ The problem for capitalism is that it eventually runs out of labour and labour time to exploit; use values to commodify; and industry, land and services to privatise and atomise.

(Re. atomisation: splitting one area or thing into two lengthens the amount of labour time employed and enables you to charge for it twice: so splitting the road up into millions of cars instead of far more efficient trams or trains etc. is far more profitable; making and selling billions of individually-owned wifi is far more profitable than providing wifi for a whole street or area, and so on. (This is not to say that socialism will ban individually-owned cars — just that they could be used a lot less and made more efficiently, cleanly and sustainably. In fact, sports cars have recently become unprofitable to make, other than for a very lucky few, and will therefore need socialism to become viable again. Perhaps roads that become unused because of better public transport could even be turned into recreational racing tracks.))

➤ A fully automated system of production — including the microbiolisation of production of food and fibrous (plant-based) structures that will significantly reduce our dependence on the intensity of intensive farming and mining — will involve so little human labour per unit produced that there will be nowhere near enough surplus labour time for capital to exploit.

So capitalist production will break down all but absolutely before production has been fully automated, necessitating socialist revolution and the public ownership of the means of production.

What makes socialism the economic solution?

➤ Since the private sector is increasingly monopolised and dependent on long-term central planning (eliminated internal markets, forecasts, stock coding, etc.) and state (public) subsidies (including tax cuts) — trending towards 100% of income and therefore nationalisation — taking the means of production under public ownership, a ‘final merger’, and centrally planning the economy as a whole, is becoming, for the first time, an economic necessity.

Competition in capitalism itself leads to monopoly, since the merger of two or three companies enables the combined force to outcompete a third or fourth competitor. Further examples: the car industry and the food industry.

Corporate tax cuts are a form of subsidy, indicating that the private sector is increasingly dependent on the state for its income.

➤ Since the private sector is losing its ability to employ value-creating (commodity-producing) labour — it does so only if profitable — society, via the state and state enterprises, must take over responsibility for employment, enabling actual full formal employment. (‘Full employment’ in capitalism discounts lumpenised/destitute ‘economically inactive’ workers.)

➤ Since the workforce is now almost entirely services-based, economic stability can only be established by an applicable system, whereby value is created not by for-profit commodity-production but by break-even utility-production.

➤ Since fiat currency is dying a natural death, with cash also disappearing in relative terms — not due to any conspiracy as such but because: only so much cash can be stored physically; accumulation demands increasing efficiency in circulation and turnover; and cash must be converted into bonds to lower interest rates — it must be replaced by a non-transferable digital voucher system, with the ‘currency’ pegged to labour time.

Workers will therefore receive all the value they create during the working day (instead of having part of it appropriated by capitalists), paid in units of labour time worked, minus contributions to universal public services, defence (while needed) and so on. A grading system will probably be needed to incentivise types of work (night shifts, for example) and productivity rates. Combined with public ownership and full employment, this system will institutionalise equality of labour (the right to receive all the value you create), underpinning equal rights (whereas rights under capitalism only really exist if you have money) and limiting economic inequality to a minimum; while consistently raising living standards for all (especially via general falling prices).

And since digital vouchers will be non-transferable, cancelled like train tickets once ‘spent’, the centralisation of wealth into the hands of a few becomes impossible.

Capitalism (left) vs socialism

➤ In the long run, as full automation, 3D-printing, lab-grown food, etc. become increasingly diffuse and localised, the divide between producer and consumer will increasingly disappear, bringing about economic independence and abundant (extremely plentiful) material wealth for all, meaning class and the state will become increasingly irrelevant — both will therefore wither away. So, whereas capitalism has a long-term tendency to centralise wealth and power, socialism has a long-term tendency to decentralise wealth and power.

Essentially, socialism completes what capitalism started but could not finish.

➤ Precision fermentation and 3D-printing are forms of additive manufacturing, as opposed to until now subtractive manufacturing — metal or trees subtracted from mines or land, for example. So:

Subtractive and mechanised production = limited/scarce production (capitalism)

Additive and automated production = unlimited/abundant production (communism)

Extremely optimistic and perspective is very imperial core imo, but I find it to be a decent explainer on why automation is beneficial under a socialist government while automation under a capitalist government would just sharpen the contradictions as they say because of the difficulty in compensating workers who fuel consumption.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

vyelkin posted:

frodo owns bag end and sam is his "gardener" who seems to draw no salary nor have his own land to garden but is attached at the hip to frodo for unspecified reasons, all of which implies that sam is in fact enserfed to his landlord, frodo baggins

Frodo also seems to give a poo poo when Gandolf tells him that his gay fairy shirt is worth more than his landownings

Frodo gets the wall

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?


gon freeccs, monkey d. luffy, and karl marx have the same birthday

really makes you think

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://chroniclesofhaiphong.substack.com/p/combat-nihilism-revolutionary-optimism

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Combat Nihilism: Revolutionary Optimism in the Age of U.S. Imperial Decline
The sun is setting on the so-called "civilization" of the U.S.-led West, exacerbating already unbearable conditions. Opposing nihilism becomes all the more important.
Danny Haiphong
4 hr ago

Hurricane Ian. The threat of nuclear war. Inflation. Mississippi’s water crisis. Any one of these developments have the potential to send even the most clear-headed individual into a state of nihilism and despair. And this is just the short list of calamities currently plaguing humanity.

Life under the decline of U.S. imperialism is far from easy. Little relief exists from the toxic stress induced by poverty, debt, racism, militarism, social isolation, and mainstream media propaganda. Exhaustion is widespread. Trust in the institutions that form the fabric of U.S. society is incredibly low. These conditions have ripened the fruit of nihilism which is growing in abundance in the United States.

In Combat Liberalism, Mao Zedong condemned the liberal worldview as “a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension.” Liberalism generates empty and hollow faith in a system designed to exploit and oppress the masses. Anger in the establishment causes some to rise up in protest, others to seek scapegoats, and still others to internalize the pain. But in the United States, protest has been criminalized and repressed with state violence. Nihilism sprouts from liberalism’s destructive seeds, breeding disappointment and despair in a social order that was always predicated on the most brutal forms of class rule.

Nihilism most often takes the form of a persistent hopelessness that accepts oppressive conditions as an unchangeable phenomenon. History, class struggle, and the heroic resistance of the people are relegated to a status worse than non-existent. Capitalist dogma becomes religion. “The news” is taken as a universal truth even if distrust in mainstream media reaches peak levels. Phrases like “it is what it is” or “there is no alternative” become etched into the consciousness of the oppressed.

The most immediate antidote to nihilism is revolutionary optimism. Revolutionary optimism isn’t rooted in a blind hope that change will come at some unknown point in the future. It is cultivated by the acknowledgement that only through participation in the struggle to liberate the people can the lives of the people be transformed. Revolutionary optimism is bolstered by a deep curiosity in and knowledge of the history of class struggle. Social change is treated as a science, one with distinct properties and elements that are both inevitable and profoundly dependent upon the actions taken by the people.

Revolutionary optimism thus analyzes all phenomena from a dialectical materialist lens. Dialectical materialism observes the motion of contradictions and how their development leads to new contradictions. Imperialism lays the basis for its own destruction but won’t fall on its own. Revolutionaries make the conscious decision to play a leading role in the creation of a new socialist planet but understand that the objective conditions before us present both a hinderance and an opportunity to build such a world. U.S. imperialism has indeed become more volatile and mired in crisis after crisis. The more that U.S. imperialism contracts economically and loses political legitimacy at home and abroad, the more repressive it becomes.

Mass incarceration, torture, austerity, privatization, surveillance, censorship, and endless war have all intensified in the last three decades since the fall of the Soviet Union to ensure that a coherent socialist movement would never arise again. This has caused the class struggle to retreat in the command center of imperialism, the United States. But even here, the emergence of mass protest movements such Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street have given birth to electoral arrangements meant to suffocate the birth of a socialist movement in its crib. The ruling class has placed a significant emphasis on repressing these movements and incorporating large sections of its participants in the Democratic Party. Bernie Sanders, AOC, and the so-called “Squad” arose from the ashes of Barack Obama’s masterful service to the elite as an escape valve back into the Democratic Party’s graveyard of social movements.

The dialectic is clear: masses of people are politically supportive of universal, socialist-oriented policies like Medicare for All but the Democratic Party stands in the way of building an independent mass movement toward actual socialism. The class struggle in the United States may be fractured and fragmented but the toiling masses are sitting atop a bubbling cauldron of unrest amid a number of unprecedented economic and geopolitical crises. U.S. militarism threatens nuclear conflict with both Russia and China, and the U.S. proxy war in Ukraine is rapidly accelerating in this direction. U.S. and E.U. sanctions on Russia’s critical energy sector are a major catalyst in the unending spike in prices that has increased the immiseration of the working class and sent the world capitalist system on the way to its third economic crisis in fifteen years.

Under these conditions, revolutionary optimism must spring forth from the potential opportunities to organize an independent, socialist-oriented mass movement. This means first and foremost confronting the Democratic Party’s stranglehold on the definition of “socialism” and “leftism” in the United States. Socialism and leftism cannot be relegated to electing Democrats out of fear of the GOP or supporting whatever reformist policy is the flavor of the day for the Democratic Party’s most progressive-sounding opportunists. Socialist and leftist politics champion the capture of genuine power for the working class and the oppressed, by any means necessary. They are decidedly anti-imperialist and stand in unconditional solidarity with the oppressed nations and peoples around the world fighting for the right to determine their own destiny as enshrined by international law.

Internationally, the contradictions are more favorable for combatting the scourge of nihilism. China is fast on its way to the status of modern socialist country and leads in the world in key areas such as poverty alleviation, renewable energy, high-technology, modernized public infrastructure, and more. Russia stood up to U.S. imperialism in a major way by asserting its right to exist amid NATO military encirclement. Iran, Cuba, Nicaragua, Eritrea, and several others have stood up and defended their sovereignty and social gains in the face of U.S. aggression and economic sanctions warfare. And all of the aforementioned countries, led by China and Russia, are forging deep economic, cultural, political, and military bonds in an attempt to create a multipolar world system that can overcome the challenges of unipolar U.S.-led imperialism.

Nihilism festers when the masses are forced into a state of isolation and desperation—two major consequences of the endless austerity and war waged by the U.S.-led imperialist system. To combat nihilism means to embrace revolutionary optimism. Revolutionary optimism is not merely a mindset, but a duty to fulfill our commitment to liberation of the masses from an outmoded system in decline. And it isn’t simply reacting to a hope for a better future, either. Revolutionary optimism is realizable when a concrete analysis of concrete conditions leads to a higher level of consciousness that a better world is not just possible, but a process that is very much alive in the here and now.

:hai:

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

Danann posted:

https://grossmanite.medium.com/beca...ty-dbc3e7b478ea

Extremely optimistic and perspective is very imperial core imo, but I find it to be a decent explainer on why automation is beneficial under a socialist government while automation under a capitalist government would just sharpen the contradictions as they say because of the difficulty in compensating workers who fuel consumption.

if automation will ever be used to alleviate the suffering of the masses it will have to be pioneered and applied outside of America first , there is no loving way billionaire assholes like musk and gates will allow the implementation of automated infrastructure unless they can exploit it for record profits

like Chinas infrastructure is much better than ours but could still use tons of improvement

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
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MLSM posted:

if automation will ever be used to alleviate the suffering of the masses it will have to be pioneered and applied outside of America first , there is no loving way billionaire assholes like musk and gates will allow the implementation of automated infrastructure unless they can exploit it for record profits

like Chinas infrastructure is much better than ours but could still use tons of improvement

yeah somebody still needs to make the capital investments to build (and export at cost!!!) all these new kinds of machines in the quantities required to bring about a global transformation. while China is doing rather well for itself in this, i find a bit unlikely they would simply sacrifice their own growth to help Africa out of her pit of despair

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/QuueerAnon/status/1578296313812508674?t=tEajsnlPa5tOJTefq9qMBw&s=19

Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012

The Sackville-Bagginses represent cops

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Nanomashoes posted:

The Sackville-Bagginses represent cops

The Sackville-Bagginses are millennials waiting for their boomer uncle to die. He's not going to die. He's going to outlive you.

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
The Sackville bagginses are the jealous padishahs of corino and bilbo is Duke Leto atreides

what is "marx"? tia

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Marx is the Bene Gesserit, Kropotkin is uhhhh the Honored Matres

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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no more flights of fantasy its time to talk about karl saying the n word again

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

This but its Engels being asked about the Irish

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I am sad to report that some of our faves may be implicated

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Epic High Five posted:

Marx is the Bene Gesserit, Kropotkin is uhhhh the Honored Matres

masters of sexual mutual aid

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


vyelkin posted:

I am sad to report that some of our faves may be implicated

given the circumstances our dynamic German duo were incredibly ahead of their time

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