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They say this everytime I've never really got the hate for Thnderball. The underwater sequences are slow, but are also pretty interestingly filmed and filled with tension. The scenery is gorgeous, one of the best looking classic bonds easily. The festival escape is one of the best "social" escapes in the series behind only the winters festival escape in OHMSS. Fiona Volpe is one of the best female henches, Largo is a great villain who manages to feel like someone whose incredibly powerful in a criminal organization but is also terrified of his boss, and the whole thing feels vaguely plausible and has some good actual spycraft that really starts falling out of the series by the next movie.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Michael Lonsdale looks and sounds so much like Peter Dinklage that it's also outright weird. …holy poo poo.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I think maybe the only real unsalvageable Moore movies are Man with the Golden Gun, which nearly killed the series, or Octopussy, where he spends like 30 minutes dressed as a clown. It's kind of incredible that they had one more Moore film left in them, because Octopussy screams "out of ideas." Octopussy is a great movie. People make fun of the clown bit but I think most who do haven't actually watched it ever or recently - it's legitimately kind of thrilling, with the ticking clock on the nuke and Bond trying to get to it. The actual time he's in the makeup is quite short. It's also got some amazing stunt work, the fight on the plane at the very end is one of the best in the franchise, and it's got an absolutely top-tier cold open. It definitely leans into the comedy side of Bond, which some people don't love and I get that, and the plot is one of the more confusing ones and some people claim they can't figure out what the bad guy's goal is (a fair critique of many Bond movies, tbh) but if you enjoy a Bond who delivers bad jokes, Octopussy is excellent.
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gohuskies posted:Octopussy is a great movie. People make fun of the clown bit but I think most who do haven't actually watched it ever or recently - it's legitimately kind of thrilling, with the ticking clock on the nuke and Bond trying to get to it. The actual time he's in the makeup is quite short. It's also got some amazing stunt work, the fight on the plane at the very end is one of the best in the franchise, and it's got an absolutely top-tier cold open. It definitely leans into the comedy side of Bond, which some people don't love and I get that, and the plot is one of the more confusing ones and some people claim they can't figure out what the bad guy's goal is (a fair critique of many Bond movies, tbh) but if you enjoy a Bond who delivers bad jokes, Octopussy is excellent. I completely agree. I was surprised when I finally watched the “Clown Bond” scene to find out it was actually A) pretty short and B) rather intense and great. I think Octupussy is better than most people give it credit for, but is still in the mid-range of Moore movies, just based on how good/bad some of his movies are.
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Yeah another Octopussy fan here, although perhaps I'm biased by a Maud Adams infatuation. I also like MWTGG more than most Bond fans, but this has nothing to do with Maud. (I don't really even associate her with this film and I'm always a bit surprised when I see her name in the opening credits... "Oh yeah... I forgot she's in this..."). What I like about MWTGG is Christopher Lee, a fantastic Bond villain who is able to salvage the movie for me unlike Michael Lonsdale or Christopher Walken (both great but I hate their entries). Nick Nack is fun too. Also, it was a nice return to a more typical Bond format after the very weird Live And Let Die. (I am old  ; you sorta had to be there as they were coming out.)EDIT: Don't mean to imply that I think MWTGG is good. It IS sub-par; it's just not the worst. Octopussy, though, is kinda ok for Moore entry? Sir Nose fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Sep 23, 2022 |
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The only bond movies I can’t stand are diamonds are forever, octopussy, a view to a kill and spectre And sorta Thunderball. It’s so loving boring. But it’s got some fun stuff. I can watch the rest no problem
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Gaius Marius posted:They say this everytime Regular reminder that they heavily hyped up Monica Belucci as finally giving Bond an age appropriate Bond Girl only for her role to literally be "screws Bond then tells him the location of the secret spooky Spectre meeting".
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CelticPredator posted:The only bond movies I can’t stand are diamonds are forever, octopussy, a view to a kill and spectre The mid section with Drax is when he's hanging out with Chris Walken in View to a Kill...except it's not Chris Walken to bring those parts up. Jaws is even more of a dumb joke than in the last movie with worse setpieces. The space fight is more boring and dumb than Thunderball. It has a worse score and theme song than any of those movies. I really don't get it. A View to a Kill at least has a great theme song and score, and Walken hamming it up with Grace Jones wandering around is kind of entertaining g for those moments, as a comparison.
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The one thing you can say for Moonraker is that when the helicopter pilot girl who never learned how to read gets killed by dogs, is a genuinely harrowing and scary scene. That's probably the main thing for it, and I'm a guy who loves Roger Moore's comedy Bond.
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I do really like the music during the underwater scenes in Thunderball.
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Moonraker is nostalgic to me lol. The first bond movies I had were man with the golden gun, moonraker, spy who loved me, for your eyes only, and goldfinger So those got watched a whole lot as a kid
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A View to a Kill has gotta be Walken's worst performance, right. he plays every scene like he just woke up.
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The Thunderball underwater action was filmed at a pretty shallow depth with professional divers but did a lot of dangerous stunts like intentionally cutting each other's air lines for "kills". It's slow but really elaborate for the 60s. The book version is completely different. Realistically, nobody can see that well during the battle so it's a very brutal and chaotic fight in the darkness for the most part with a lot of stabbing.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:A View to a Kill has gotta be Walken's worst performance, right. he plays every scene like he just woke up. A View to a Kill is very much a classic case of a movie where no one involved wanted to be making it. Roger Moore was done with the role (I've mentioned this before in this thread, I think, but he was horrified upon learning that not only was he older than Tanya Roberts, he was older than her mother, and EON refused to let him out of his contract), John Glen and Richard Maibaum were burnt out, Walken seems like he was in the depths of a coke bender ... it's a real mess of a movie, saved only by its killer theme.
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Moore also disliked working with Grace Jones. I don't remember whether it was a mutual animosity or not, but I think he just had a personality conflict with her.
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Timby posted:A View to a Kill is very much a classic case of a movie where no one involved wanted to be making it. Roger Moore was done with the role (I've mentioned this before in this thread, I think, but he was horrified upon learning that not only was he older than Tanya Roberts, he was older than her mother, and EON refused to let him out of his contract), John Glen and Richard Maibaum were burnt out, Walken seems like he was in the depths of a coke bender ... it's a real mess of a movie, saved only by its killer theme. I would say it’s saved by Grace Jones, it’s a dogshit movie but she’s one of my favorite Bond henchpersons
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I would say it’s saved by Grace Jones, it’s a dogshit movie but she’s one of my favorite Bond henchpersons May Day is one of the freshest parts of that pretty stale movie. She doesn't immediately switch sides when she falls in love (Jaws), and Bond doesn't bring her to the Light Side by assaulting her in a barn (Pussy Galore); she responds to the fact that Zorin tried to loving kill her too after the loyalty she had shown him.
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Also that visual of her forcefully pumping the mine cart and Walkens egotistical win just cracking when he sees her coming out is a great scene.
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I really like how Jones plays the scene too. She's laughing and waving off Bond (who is trying to get her not to commit suicide), but as soon as she sees Zorin/his blimp, the smile disappears right before the bomb goes off. May Day was cool as a cucumber and knew exactly what she was doing.
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You Only Live Twice has me excited about my watching journey again. Nice and zippy and only a little over the top. Roald Dahl really nailed the whimsy and humor. The racism is next level though holy poo poo. I knew immediately that a Japanese setting was gonna be bad news but Bond in yellowface blew past my expectations. I thought Team America was doing a ridiculous bit but it's barely an exaggerated version of this!
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I have no idea why they kept Bond's Japanese makeover when they tossed out everything else from that book
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Moore also disliked working with Grace Jones. I don't remember whether it was a mutual animosity or not, but I think he just had a personality conflict with her. According to his autobiography, she had a chronic problem showing up on time. Famethrowa posted:You Only Live Twice has me excited about my watching journey again. Nice and zippy and only a little over the top. Roald Dahl really nailed the whimsy and humor. The funny part is the book does this twice, and it's an utter failure that fools nobody. They try to dress up Bond as a nameless Japanese businessman but he's a 6'2 dude who keeps loudly speaking in his British accent all the time and ends up being tailed without noticing it for days. When they switch to being a deaf mute miner for his actual infiltration, Blofeld can immediately tell who he is. chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Sep 25, 2022 |
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I forgot how from Russia doesn't even look at bond until a third of the way into the book. I enjoyed the deeper look at what those rascally Russians were up to.
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Today is James Bond day, and it would be heretical not to watch a film. I still haven’t seen NTTD but after watching this clip they made for all the films, seems like there are about eight or ten I’d rather rewatch, than watch NTTD for the first time. Is that wrong? https://twitter.com/amazonstudios/status/1577630402604310528?s=46&t=KL5IJGvwVhbOSXyM5WtAfA What film are you going to watch today? MrMojok fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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NTTD is bad, but so are a few of the movies. Its exacerbated by the incredible fatigue of having to wait so drat long for it and for being stuck with Craig for so long. It does still have a few good parts like the Ana de armas scènes, but as a whole it's only worth one watch. Personally I'm going with From Russia with Love, been a minute since I've seen it. Hyped to see that opening and the train fight again. Gonna save OHMSS for Christmas like usual, and maybe do a mini marathon of all the Connery's over my vacation
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Might fry up some sole and pair it with a nice chianti. The red kind.
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MrMojok posted:I still haven’t seen NTTD but after watching this clip they made for all the films, seems like there are about eight or ten I’d rather rewatch, than watch NTTD for the first time. Is that wrong? I wouldn't call NTTD bad, since there are two other Craig bond films that are much worse, but it's certainly not good. I haven't rewatched since the movie theater so maybe this is overly charitable or critical but my thought is it's room temperature bond. Some good sequences, nice stunts, fun side characters, it flows okay despite being kinda long, but nothing elevates it. There are definitely at least 8-10 other better bond films. Just watch the two best from each actor; in lieu of a second Lazenby, dealer's choice.
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NTTD rules imo. It’s not the best Craig one, but it’s not Spectre or Quantum or whatever your least favorite one is. I realize I’m in the minority of loving the Craig era Bond, but I found it to be a really good overall capstone on this run. My rank probably goes Casino - Skyfall - NTTD - Quantum - Spectre. I would probably watch any of them over a majority of the older films.
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NTTD has a really good score which goes a long way in the scheme of Bond themes. You're looking at a nice landscape or a wide shot of an action sequence with Barry, ZImmer, or Arnold - or you're looking at it with, like, Michael Kamen, and it automatically makes those sections in the former better, even when it's in a worse movie. Most of a View to a Kill is bad, but Barry elevates him surviving the fire in that scene so well that you can't help but like it, no matter how dumb everything surrounding it is.
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Conversely the awful score in For Your Eyes Only drags what would be a top five Bond into the tens.
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Well I went to Amazon intending to watch NTTD but then I saw they have a documentary that’s just about the Bond music. Started watching it and really got sucked in, this is good. MrMojok fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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chitoryu12 posted:According to his autobiography, she had a chronic problem showing up on time. On a related note, I don’t think I ever posted in your Let’s Read Bond thread. And was way behind, and in fact I’m still not finished reading it. But I just wanted to say thanks for doing that. It’s a great companion to the books, to read one and read your notes and insights about it, as well as everyone else’s in the thread. I know that was a lot of work, thank you.
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Apologies for the dreadful triple-post, but after watching the Music of James Bond documentary, I did watch NTTD, and I thought it was great. I think my lack of enthusiasm for watching it was from some posts I read ITT way back, but I honestly enjoyed it a lot, and I’m glad I watched it. It was a good James Bond Day. e: and yes, the NTTD score was magnificent
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MrMojok posted:On a related note, I don’t think I ever posted in your Let’s Read Bond thread. Thank you! My health and business have made it difficult to post more regularly, but I'm still doing the continuation one!
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Gaius Marius posted:Conversely the awful score in For Your Eyes Only drags what would be a top five Bond into the tens. Actually the bill conti disco score loving owns
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MrMojok posted:Well I went to Amazon intending to watch NTTD but then I saw they have a documentary that’s just about the Bond music. Watched that last night and really enjoyed it. It felt like it was supposed to be a small feature just about NTTD for the bluray or something and got expanded after it was delayed for so long, but it was great!
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pretty soft girl posted:Actually the bill conti disco score loving owns Only person I ever seen say that the most serious Moore needed the cheesiest soundtrack
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Gaius Marius posted:Conversely the awful score in For Your Eyes Only drags what would be a top five Bond into the tens. What the hell.
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Was James Bond Day always in early October? Not sure where I picked up the habit but I've always thought of November as like the dedicated Bond Month.
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