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zoux posted:No it's that she's a limosine liberal who's fine doing balls and charity work, but isn't really going to put herself at risk. It's pretty clear she's dissatisfied with the courage of her own convictions and something is gonna happen that'll motivator to go all in. OR, depending on how you read her scene with Luthien - rather than that she's a dilettante that Luthien is trying to soak for funds but an actual, integral leader in the nascent rebellion - she's frustrated to be seen as a limousine liberal by her daughter when she's actually doing some badass poo poo. I mean, her husband and Daughter are probably just cool with the fascism because they are well off and living well, and Mon Mothma is probably just busy as poo poo in general and more of a detached working parent. But yeah it's the latter, Mon Mothma is liberal who is with the shits as far as knowing what the problems are and wanting to find a way to resolve it, however she as shown in like Rogue One, and other media, has lines she won't cross that she views as reprehensible. While Luthen and Saw are more by any means necessary, but by just providing money directly to Luthen who is doing real poo poo she's doing more than like any other "limousine liberal" would do. Which is give speeches and rely on rhetoric. She is a revolutionary in a world where the balance is at facism. Useful, until you get back to a point where the facism and politics is less open facism, and the more mundane, normal Republic era levels of destitution and oppression. But you worry about having to cross that bridge when you actually get there.
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Isometric Bacon posted:This is perhaps a me and my partner thing, but looking up the actor who plays the imperial intelligence agent who visited the garrison this episode revealed he was the one who did the voice for Budge in the green screen / puppet show Big Babies. I recognise him mainly from British comedy stuff, half imagined him going "Yes i sell drugs but thats not the point" as soon as i saw him in on this show.
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i agree with the mothma family discourse so far but to add that the read i got is that the daughter will eventually become sympathetic to the cause while the husband will not. the teen was a jerk but she was a jerk about possibly legitimate attention issues
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Mameluke posted:Those were mentats. Those let that guy read minds That owns. I liked how before his main scene it built him up like he was going to be this like ice cold interrogation torture master monster but he was generally pretty chill and didn't even really want to be there himself lol i say swears online posted:i agree with the mothma family discourse so far but to add that the read i got is that the daughter will eventually become sympathetic to the cause while the husband will not. the teen was a jerk but she was a jerk about possibly legitimate attention issues Agreed. We don't really get much about her political outlook in that scene, just her immediate issues with Mom (  ) Mothma's work/life balance. I'm not sure how much time the daughter will get but it will be interesting to see her reaction if her mom's actions are found out. I could definitely see her being sympathetic on the basis of her actually doing something.
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Oct 6, 2022 06:20
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She's actively involved in the rebellion and has been for years by this point. Luthen can afford to take off his wig and go gunfight corpos. One of the big senators on Coruscant trying to go full "DOWN WITH THE EMPIRE" is going to get black bagged. We already know that 5 years from this episode Palpatine simply dissolves the Senate entirely. You're not going to do a goddamn thing if you martyr yourself uselessly while in a position of power.
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Oct 6, 2022 06:26
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People don't appreciate the pine tree until autumn. Mon Mothma and her husband probably didn't disagree much during the Republic because they are creatures of the system. During the war, they were both hawks but as the war progressed they found out they were hawks for different reasons. The divide grew from there. It happens again and again. It happened with Carter, it happened with Clinton, it happened with Obama and Hillary. Then it bubbles to the surface with Biden when people were unwilling to let the status quo of the noble republic that had become the evil empire stand.
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Those two lazy imperial assholes who want to watch the sky go all crazy instead of paint the rail or whatever are going to gently caress up the hiest, aren't they.
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Parkingtigers posted:You know what made me almost audibly yelp this episode? The loving seat fabric in Syril's home. That set, his mum's clothes, the tablewear, it looked so 1970s. This could come from any sci-fi movie made in that era. poo poo, I'm just old enough to vaguely remember how lovely the texture of the sofa fabrics was back then, all rough and scratchy and a massive massive fire risk. All holdovers from late 60s to late 70s still lingering in 80s homes. I have the urge to use the word Draylon for the first time in decades. Glad I'm not the only one who had the same reaction
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Andor has given us broad insight into a cross-section of Space Breakfasts. Space cereal Space continental breakfast Space goat milk
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AndyElusive posted:Those two lazy imperial assholes who want to watch the sky go all crazy instead of paint the rail or whatever are going to gently caress up the hiest, aren't they. the lieutenant smiled as he was walking away (all according to keikaku). i figured he was all "stay at your post" to the guy chilling outside for the same reason – to prove he was being strict and by the book when he gets interviewed by the isb.
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Neo Rasa posted:I could definitely see her being sympathetic on the basis of her actually doing something. There's probably room for her to go the other way too. She's a wealthy politician's kid who's grown up with the Empire as the default worldstate, and her family's homeworld rhymes with Shangri-La, so even among the other senate families she's probably never really seen the true face of the Empire. She's a few years younger than Leia, so it could be interesting to see her elsewhere in the franchise as her pro-Imperial counterpart. exmarx posted:i figured he was all "stay at your post" to the guy chilling outside for the same reason – to prove he was being strict and by the book when he gets interviewed by the isb. It probably also helps the infiltration to not have him staring off the edge of the dam right towards where they're going to be coming out of the woods in their disguises. Robot Style fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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Isometric Bacon posted:I was amused how the rear end in a top hat pilot was buzzing the natives, thinking real world analogies where it'd be something he'd be reprimanded for if he did it to the military, but then he did it again over the base and I was reminded oh yeah, this is Star Wars. Half the job of a TIE fighter pilot is to buzz past the camera to show off the might of the Empire. Think of it as an Apache helicopter buzzing some afghans sheepherders who are really insurgents.
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Madurai posted:Andor has given us broad insight into a cross-section of Space Breakfasts. Mrs Karn is upset you've left out the space fruit platter.
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AndyElusive posted:Those two lazy imperial assholes who want to watch the sky go all crazy instead of paint the rail or whatever are going to gently caress up the hiest, aren't they. Someone in the writer’s room or production has served in the military and they disseminated their knowledge to the director’s team on exactly how to frame that scene, to perfection. I was feeling those poor sods so hard. loving paint a rail. Again? It was loving painted 3 months ago, boss. For a dignitary who won’t give a single glance?
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Alan Smithee posted:Lol that a dinner party in a Star Wars show is the new fireworks factory You may mock sir but I was promised a dinner party so I expect a dinner party! I demand awkward small talk over canapes!
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I missed some dialogue during the scene with Mothma's daughter but I also got the impression MM uses the errands and routines of her family life to deflect suspicion away from her other activities.
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A Bad King posted:Someone in the writer’s room or production has served in the military and they disseminated their knowledge to the director’s team on exactly how to frame that scene, to perfection. There are a few military advisors listed in the credits
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I like that the comm officer (??) was out for a quick smoke. Puffin on a deathstick
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AndyElusive posted:Those two lazy imperial assholes who want to watch the sky go all crazy instead of paint the rail or whatever are going to gently caress up the hiest, aren't they. Gorn is sending them outside on purpose. By making it seem like he's giving them a break to watch the cool light show, he's ensuring only a skeleton crew is actually inside the base where the payroll is.
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There's also a lot of "looking up while being attacked from below" foreshadowing. Everyone's gonna be looking at the cool glowing sky rocks when the attack comes from a different angle.
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So what is the over/under for how many of the rebels die during the heist? I would say it’s 2.
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FlamingLiberal posted:So what is the over/under for how many of the rebels die during the heist? I would say it’s 2. The healer and the guy with the manifesto die for sure.
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FlamingLiberal posted:So what is the over/under for how many of the rebels die during the heist? I would say it’s 2. Are you suggesting the plan is going to... go off the rails?
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Cry Havoc posted:any k2 droids there maybe one tags along I think they said they weren't doing him this season and old Alan Two-Dicks said he didn't do any work on the show. Yeah the Manifesto might as well have been that kid showing him his beautiful wife and baby back home. Kid's toast, sorry to say.
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TyrantWD posted:The healer and the guy with the manifesto die for sure. I doubt they're killing off one-half of Star Wars' newest gay couple.
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Necrothatcher posted:I doubt they're killing off one-half of Star Wars' newest gay couple. I was listening to Rebel Force Radio today for the first time again in a long while, and the two hosts were speculating "which of the guys" Cinta was "sharing her blanket" with. Vel was mentioned as an afterthought with a laugh, after the option "maybe all of the guys, LOL".  Glad to see goons aren't the only ones bad at watching shows.
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Karn's mom rules. She reminds me a lot of the mom from Sopranos and a whole bunch of the moms in the irish and italian parts of philly. You know, the ones that all became cops, and the real power base of the Fraternal Order of Police
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I want all of the heist crew to survive for once, albeit by the skin of their teeth via some swerves and shenanigans. They can then retire to grow pepper trees and herd space sheep on the peaceful planet of Alderaan. 
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Dave Syndrome posted:I was listening to Rebel Force Radio today for the first time again in a long while, and the two hosts were speculating "which of the guys" Cinta was "sharing her blanket" with. Vel was mentioned as an afterthought with a laugh, after the option "maybe all of the guys, LOL". Lmao I figured it was her and then her later saying "She didn't even tell me" was proof enough for me. I like that even though, or perhaps maybe BECAUSE he was told Cinta was taken he like almost absent mindedly started trying to charm her. I can see how he gets in so much trouble.
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i'm gonna take a wild guess and say that everyone makes it out alive (but not necessarily unharmed) since they all seem to be set up for a cliche'd death and i don't think this show will take the easy route. the dude in charge while vel is away probably takes a hit or something and cassian has to step up. high probability that he has to do some cold blooded murder to keep the plan from falling apart. it's not clear in rogue one why the alliance is okay with cassian "no witnesses" andor while saw gerrera is an "extremist," but i get the impression that cassian is way harder than this rebel cell and will do whatever it takes to get the job done - and luthen knows it.
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Ash1138 posted:i'm gonna take a wild guess and say that everyone makes it out alive (but not necessarily unharmed) since they all seem to be set up for a cliche'd death and i don't think this show will take the easy route. the dude in charge while vel is away probably takes a hit or something and cassian has to step up. high probability that he has to do some cold blooded murder to keep the plan from falling apart. imo its quite a big difference between a guy whos willing to crack a few eggs to make an omelette and a guy who advocates violent rebellion as a large scale political strategy
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One of the problems with Disney Star Wars is that it's a franchise about violent revolution but none of the good guys are allowed to be the kind of people who would ever take part in a violent revolution Edit: See also Boba Fett, the crime lord who doesn't smuggle drugs or hire enforcers to collect money from his nonexistent rackets Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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Yeah when we meet Cassian in Rogue One he's all 'we have done horrible things for this cause' so I expect we're going to see him at least start to make those kinds of choices before the end of this series.
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Jinnigan posted:Karn's mom rules. She reminds me a lot of the mom from Sopranos and a whole bunch of the moms in the irish and italian parts of philly. You know, the ones that all became cops, and the real power base of the Fraternal Order of Police It’s basically a Larry King cameo.
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chitoryu12 posted:Gorn is sending them outside on purpose. By making it seem like he's giving them a break to watch the cool light show, he's ensuring only a skeleton crew is actually inside the base where the payroll is. Vintersorg posted:Yeah, he's making them think it's THEIR idea.  Ohhhhhhhhhhh. That darn Gorn!I misread that scene entirely. FlamingLiberal posted:So what is the over/under for how many of the rebels die during the heist? I would say it’s 2. I predicted to my gf last night that all of them (with the exception of Andor obviously) die. AndyElusive fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:So what is the over/under for how many of the rebels die during the heist? I would say it’s 2. I'd say the Imperial officer is the most obvious wind-up-dead candidate, if only because dramatically, his role would have ended (they aren't going to "climb the same fence twice" as Ms. ISB put it)
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chitoryu12 posted:Gorn is sending them outside on purpose. By making it seem like he's giving them a break to watch the cool light show, he's ensuring only a skeleton crew is actually inside the base where the payroll is. The Empire, apparently, does not believe in direct deposit and hands out little bags of coins
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