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Diarrhea Elemental posted:[Citation needed] I thought it was well-established in the data that sweetners tend to encourage the body to eat larger portions of everything else? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:[Citation needed] How about a quick search on PubMed? Not a lot of real positive studies out there.
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Oct 6, 2022 16:02
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A Bad King posted:I thought it was well-established in the data that sweetners tend to encourage the body to eat larger portions of everything else? I'll try to find more updated stuff when I'm not on my phone but the tl;dr is that essentially diet drinks increase satiety about the same as regular sugar sodas. The hot topic of the previous decade with gut microbiomes is a lot more complicated and a lot less understood than we previously thought, but actual human RCTs aren't validating the suspicions that artificial sweeteners somehow wreck your poo poo because of your "gut brain". They don't cause cancer, they aren't remotely as harmful as regular soda, they don't wreck your insulin response or sensitivity, they don't cause you to overeat.
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Oct 6, 2022 16:07
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stealie72 posted:How about a quick search on PubMed? Did you really just link a shotgun pubmed search as valid evidence?
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Oct 6, 2022 16:09
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Artificial sweeteners taste like petroleum; current events have demonstrated we shouldn't have so much added sugar or sugar substitutes in our diets, and I will vote for folks who advocate not just abstinence but prohibition when those politicos exist.
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Oct 6, 2022 16:13
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I thought sweet calorie free foodstuffs generated the same insulin response as sweet foods? Either way I dont trust that they aren't 100% awful for you. They're also fuggin nasty. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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Oct 6, 2022 16:22
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Healthcare Triage did a good episode on diet soda a few years ago. https://youtu.be/cj6oO-O1QsM tl;dw: nutritional studies aren't great and how the media reports on these exacerbates those problems. Artificial sweeteners are significantly better than sugar, though should still be consumed in relative moderation. That said, I'm a 12-pack-a-week guzzler of Coke Zero, so I'm motivated to find things to justify my decisions. It's a shame that coffee tastes like the devil's rear end in a top hat and tea is just a bit boring. Hmmm, I thought we'd gotten embeds for short YouTube URLs fixed...
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Oct 6, 2022 16:22
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You people saying diet sodas are disgusting must not have tried the new Coke Zero or Dr. Pepper Zero. I don't drink sodas at all anymore (just MiO, which is probably worse) but those are far better than the actual drinks, in my opinion. Also, tons of people seem to spout "diet sodas are actually worse for you than regular sodas" based on the thought that people drinking those think they can consume more calories from other sources than when they drank the regular type. That doesn't mean that diet sodas are worse for you though. That just means people are dumb.
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Oct 6, 2022 16:32
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I'm just going to switch back to sweet tea, so my weed infused body can fight regular sugar instead of the corn stuff. Maybe.
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Oct 6, 2022 16:35
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:I'm just going to switch back to sweet tea, so my weed infused body can fight regular sugar instead of the corn stuff. Sweet Weed Tea
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Oct 6, 2022 16:37
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For years now I've lived by the creed that every soda, diet or not, I don't drink is a beer I can. 
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Oct 6, 2022 16:38
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Arrath posted:For years now I've lived by the creed that every soda, diet or not, I don't drink is a beer I can. 
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Oct 6, 2022 16:49
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A Bad King posted:I thought it was well-established in the data that sweetners tend to encourage the body to eat larger portions of everything else? stealie72 posted:How about a quick search on PubMed? Grip it and rip it posted:I thought sweet calorie free foodstuffs generated the same insulin response as sweet foods? To reiterate what Diarrhea Elemental said: almost none of these studies have held up. People have been looking real hard at artificial sweeteners for a while, there were some initial regression studies finding some potentially harmful link, and then replication studies failing to confirm the link. The evidence for harm is not there and it’s not for lack of looking.
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Oct 6, 2022 16:59
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My anecdote: I've been a type 1 diabetic for almost 30 years and consume nigh-pornographic amounts of diet soda the whole time with no ill effects. If it hosed you up at all I'd feel it.
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Oct 6, 2022 17:36
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LaCroix krewe checkin in to let y'all know I drink water that costs 4 bux for 144 ounces. Really though, I'm under the impression that the looming CO2 shortage is probably gonna fix the fizzy drink problem pretty soon.
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Oct 6, 2022 17:40
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Midjack posted:My anecdote: I've been a type 1 diabetic for almost 30 years and consume nigh-pornographic amounts of diet soda the whole time with no ill effects. If it hosed you up at all I'd feel it. Like do you fill the bathtub with diet soda and rub the syrup from the bags they put in soda fountains into your pores? What the gently caress does “nigh-pornographic” diet soda intake look like?
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Oct 6, 2022 17:41
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bengy81 posted:LaCroix krewe checkin in to let y'all know I drink water that costs 4 bux for 144 ounces. CO2 shortage?
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Oct 6, 2022 17:42
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Soylent Pudding posted:CO2 shortage? Unless he's talking about some bottleneck in the bottling process
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Oct 6, 2022 17:49
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adults who regularly consume soft drinks, sweet tea or any variety of insanely sugar packed "coffee" drinks should not be allowed to vote sorry thats just the way it is
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Oct 6, 2022 17:49
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Soylent Pudding posted:CO2 shortage? https://www.npr.org/2022/09/22/1124491808/beer-carbon-dioxide-shortage The beer thing is fun, because it might hit macro's really hard. The small craft brewers might be able to pivot to bottle and keg conditioning, but you still have to have CO2 to serve in restaurants and bars. It's a short term problem in the US, could be longer term in Britain; most likely demand will taper off this month, and plants will come back online that will be able to meet demand. I wouldn't expect it to change grocery store prices as they are already sky high, but it might make producing generic and store brands slightly more exciting.
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Oct 6, 2022 17:50
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Midjack posted:My anecdote: I've been a type 1 diabetic for almost 30 years and consume nigh-pornographic amounts of diet soda the whole time with no ill effects. If it hosed you up at all I'd feel it. Supposedly the sweetener provokes an insulin response. This won't happen to you.
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Oct 6, 2022 17:51
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hypnophant posted:To reiterate what Diarrhea Elemental said: almost none of these studies have held up. People have been looking real hard at artificial sweeteners for a while, there were some initial regression studies finding some potentially harmful link, and then replication studies failing to confirm the link. The evidence for harm is not there and it’s not for lack of looking.
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Oct 6, 2022 17:52
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TheWeedNumber posted:Like do you fill the bathtub with diet soda and rub the syrup from the bags they put in soda fountains into your pores? What the gently caress does “nigh-pornographic” diet soda intake look like? He just drinks a lot of it. I know, hyperbole can be tricky.
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Oct 6, 2022 17:53
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I’d have trouble believing the harm from 4-6 diet sodas a day is comparative to the harm from 4-6 full calorie sodas a day. If you wanna argue a diet soda habit vs total abstinence sure, but for those people who it is a genuine replacement product, there’s actual harm reduction there.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:00
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TheWeedNumber posted:Like do you fill the bathtub with diet soda and rub the syrup from the bags they put in soda fountains into your pores? What the gently caress does “nigh-pornographic” diet soda intake look like? https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/dokumentar/xl/det-norske-brusmysteriet-1.15977254?_x_tr_sl=no&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp quote:At 06.30: Beate Ellingsen opens her eyes - and is immediately thirsty for soda. The estate agent from Bærum goes straight down to the kitchen and downs a glass of Pepsi Max. She refills and goes to the bathroom. Just before brushing your teeth, a big sip of Pepsi Max. Right after, another sip. Every day, Beate Ellingsen pours between four and five liters of Pepsi Max.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:00
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GD_American posted:I’d have trouble believing the harm from 4-6 diet sodas a day is comparative to the harm from 4-6 full calorie sodas a day. Are people drinking that much soda, diet or otherwise? That seems unhealthy. The fact that people seem incredibly addicted to sugar free sodas also seems like an issue.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:04
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Grip it and rip it posted:Are people drinking that much soda, diet or otherwise? That seems unhealthy. The fact that people seem incredibly addicted to sugar free sodas also seems like an issue. Its pretty alien to me cause, like, there isn't nothing wrong with water? But yeah, a friend of mine from Oz used to kill at least a 12-pack of Coke a day, I think he toned it down once his insides started hurting, but I'm not sure.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:08
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Leave posted:He just drinks a lot of it. I know, hyperbole can be tricky. No no no, you don’t get out this that easy. There’s excessive, then there’s PORNOGRAPHIC. Where the porno at?
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Oct 6, 2022 18:21
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Shove the can up your rear end and buttchug it?
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Grip it and rip it posted:Are people drinking that much soda, diet or otherwise? That seems unhealthy. The fact that people seem incredibly addicted to sugar free sodas also seems like an issue. Seems like and evidentially supported positions are not the same thing. Would it be better if everyone had nothing but water as their primary drink daily? Sure. But that's like arguing perfect world free market libertarianism or communism vs what's actually going to happen in reality. In reality people drinking non-nutritive sweetened sodas instead of HFCS versions are, point blank, making a healthier choice. Furthermore, NNS soda drinkers aren't risking their health via insulinogenic responses or satiety feedback loops reinforcing excess calorie consumption.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:26
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Sweet Weed Tea Hell yes. Arrath posted:For years now I've lived by the creed that every soda, diet or not, I don't drink is a beer I can. Weed doesn't contain calories. 
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Oct 6, 2022 18:28
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Weed doesn't contain calories. I've tapered off my weed usage over the last few years as I found I didn't like what it was doing to my mental state. If I'm going on a hike I might spark a bowl to really amplify my enjoyment of nature, but if I'm just sitting around home and toking nothing good comes of it.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:39
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Yo if anyone is worried about diet soda or the normal US stuff, just remember you already skipped a step by jumping over sugar to high fructose corn syrup and that poo poo is loving CRAZY to anyone who hasn't grown up with it. It leaves an oily taste in your mouth and kind of gives your gums a bit of tingly feeling and a clench in your guts like you might be in for some wild diarrhea so keep that poo poo in mind if you're wondering what is bad for you.
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Arrath posted:I've tapered off my weed usage over the last few years as I found I didn't like what it was doing to my mental state. Understandable. I try to not get maxxed out baked anymore until the evening. I might smoke a third or so of a joint to get going in the morning, usually left over from the night before. I'll take a full joint with me on my evening walk, smoke two thirds of it and put it away for the morning. I stopped hitting dabs almost two weeks ago, until yesterday when I took a few, and three hits this morning. Totally agree on the poo poo mental state thing when you're glued to a rig all day, same with concentrate vape pens. Once in a while, sure, bake the day away, but a gram of wax a day isn't solving anything long term. I have around an ounce of concentrates left to go through, which used to maybe get me a month, but will probably last into the spring now. Going back to primarily flower has been a good change, though. Once I'm out of concentrates, I'll pack the rig away for a while, just buy flower. Weed definitely destroyed my alcohol use over the past decade. I might have one beer when I'm grilling. One. But that's every few weeks at best now. I've been working on a 24 pack of Coors since July 4th, just over halfway through it.
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:Seems like and evidentially supported positions are not the same thing. Would it be better if everyone had nothing but water as their primary drink daily? Sure. But that's like arguing perfect world free market libertarianism or communism vs what's actually going to happen in reality. In reality people drinking non-nutritive sweetened sodas instead of HFCS versions are, point blank, making a healthier choice. Furthermore, NNS soda drinkers aren't risking their health via insulinogenic responses or satiety feedback loops reinforcing excess calorie consumption. yeah, I guess the relative benefit compared to sugar sweetened drinks isn't as deterministic for me as the comparison to drinking other non-canned beverages. Even drinking 6 canned seltzer drinks a day seems kind of iffy to me. That's mostly because I don't really trust the U.S. commercial food production processes or the regulations that supposedly ensure their safety. 
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Understandable.  For the bolded, having a rig sitting on a kitchen counter with an e-nail that was always hot and ready to go from waking to bedtime was probably not the best idea, but it was a roommate house with 3 hardcore stoners. I can't imagine I'll ever get to that level of use again. When I do smoke, flower is the way to go.As for the alcohol, getting drunk has no real appeal to me anymore, especially as I age and hangovers go from that "post new years eve lovely morning" to "wow my whole day sucks rear end". I might enjoy a beer with dinner, or a couple on a weekend day when I'm making GBS threads up discord and playing games with some buddies. I've had bottles of nice whiskey I've been working on for near a year, just enjoying a few fingers now and then. I guess moderation really was the key. If only I'd figured that out earlier.
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Maybe it's something we have to age into, who knows. 40 is knocking real hard on my door lately. I doubt I'll ever quit weed though. I get sleep because of it, my sacroiliitis has essentially disappeared, way less angry all the time, and the odd chance it might stave off type 2 wilford brimleys, all kinda keep me on the weed train. But goddamn can concentrates just dig you a hole that's hard to climb out.
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TheWeedNumber posted:No no no, you don’t get out this that easy. There’s excessive, then there’s PORNOGRAPHIC. Where the porno at? Well, not to give the secret away, but it didn't start as a brown colored soda. Edit: Dabs are a tricky proposition, as they're definitely a step up from flower, but almost *too* much. I usually only get the dab stuff out when I've got company, because it almost feels like I'm wasting it by myself. While we're talking about it, if you've never done it, get some of the THCA sand and add it to your bowl, layering it through the flower, next time you're gonna smoke. It adds quite the punch! Leave fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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I couldn’t do dabs. I like to see the smoke flow when I smoke and I would definitely over dab. poo poo was fun and definitely a great clean high in moderation.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Maybe it's something we have to age into, who knows. 40 is knocking real hard on my door lately. Weed lets me sleep and keeps me off the booze, it's good in my book for those two things alone.
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