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As I understand it the general pattern in history is that men would be getting married later in life while women would be much younger. Still not young teens or anything - if nothing else, without a modern diet puberty comes much later - but an age gap would be perfectly normal. I'm not sure how much of this applies to the bulk of the population, though - the people who are born grain farmers and would die grain farmers and didn't have anything resembling a career. Not a lot tended to get written about them, relatively speaking.
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That’s a WALSH FACT!
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Tenebrais posted:As I understand it the general pattern in history is that men would be getting married later in life while women would be much younger. Still not young teens or anything - if nothing else, without a modern diet puberty comes much later - but an age gap would be perfectly normal. It's such a shame with for example Ancient Greece. Almost everything we have documented about their culture is from the middle class and up. We barely know anything about the thoughts and opinions of the peasants and city poor. For example, the openness about homosexuality. May very well have been considered "weird nobles being weird" as far as the nation as a whole was considered. We just assume that they were more tolerant as a nation because we have a minority perspective, It's probably why so many nationalists think that ancient Rome was all people in togas eating grapes due to the wealth of their superior culture, while we have poor people living in slums.
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Oct 6, 2022 12:19
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Well, except for all the slave rebellions.
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It's also worth noting that in many places and times, among poorer people, marriage was way less formal and legalised than we might imagine. If you moved in with someone and said you were married then you were married and who was going to say otherwise? All this stuff is super variable across cultures and time periods. Nobility were often formally married quite young, it's true, but the lower classes married at ages we would not find shocking today. Most people across history have not wanted to marry children any more than we do now.
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Oct 6, 2022 12:26
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HopperUK posted:It's also worth noting that in many places and times, among poorer people, marriage was way less formal and legalised than we might imagine. If you moved in with someone and said you were married then you were married and who was going to say otherwise? This is still true in some places. I knew a guy who cane to Australia from the Thai-Burmese border and he had a difficult time convincing immigration authorities that he and his wife were married, after all, why bother with paperwork when everyone in your village agreed you were married?
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And the whole thing of paperwork for marriages mainly became a thing because marriages for the upper classes were usually legal mergers of property, businesses, and assets, so it made sense to have paperwork for processing all of that. Poor people very rarely had anything like that.
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And the age gap thing was because of that. A daughter was a business asset in nobility, to be traded off to a successful nobleman. Common people just got together with people they knew and liked. Y'know, like non crazy people.
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Vib Rib posted:That pic's from months ago, I don't know what this proves. House could still be completely, 100% hurricane proof. Feliday Melody posted:It's probably why so many nationalists think that ancient Rome was all people in togas eating grapes due to the wealth of their superior culture, while we have poor people living in slums.
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Dr. Stab posted:Common people just got together with people they knew and liked. Y'know, like non crazy people. Kinda. In most (but not all) medieval societies women were incapable of supporting themselves as the weren't allowed to do things like own land or sometimes any sort of property, so they were dependent on a man for their daily bread, be it her father or a husband. Fathers had an incentive to marry off their daughters, so there were undoubtedly plenty of marriages between men who needed a wife and younger women who needed a husband.
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https://twitter.com/princessxemnas/status/1577441205860040704
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Zero_Grade posted:
Yet they still frequented Some Awful Forums Ah, the more things change, i guess....
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Would be better if it produced two sets of boobs if you asked it that.
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you also had an extreme variety in "common people" experiences. a lot of villeins (in-between of a tenant farming peasant and a slave) couldn't marry outside of the manor they lived on, were taxed for being born out of wedlock, often had their marriages arranged by the manor owner, basically a lot of forcing people in extreme debt to marry into more debt lmbo
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I'm surprised there aren't a bunch of marriage records from peasant priests. Not formal marriage contracts but just like a scroll that says "John Bowyer (32) married Anne Smith (30) on December 3rd, 1255" etc. Yeah obviously most of our records come from priests writing under the patronage of the warrior aristocracy and so mostly focus on how cool they are and all the sick battles they won, but there must have been a bunch of boring medieval nerd priests keeping track of the other kinds of stuff surely?
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DaysBefore posted:I'm surprised there aren't a bunch of marriage records from peasant priests. Not formal marriage contracts but just like a scroll that says "John Bowyer (32) married Anne Smith (30) on December 3rd, 1255" etc. Yeah obviously most of our records come from priests writing under the patronage of the warrior aristocracy and so mostly focus on how cool they are and all the sick battles they won, but there must have been a bunch of boring medieval nerd priests keeping track of the other kinds of stuff surely? Plenty of records like that were made and did exist, but materials only last so long and the local parish only has so much space to store them. No one was going to be terribly concerned with whether the record of John and Mary not-important-enough-to-have-surnames' marriage would still be available to check eight hundred years in the future.
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Also it should be said we do know a pretty decent amount about the poor in Rome, but it’s not terribly sexy info so unless your big into Rome you won’t see it. And I mean actually into Roman history not nationalists nonsense we’re you treat ancient civilizations as a duck measuring contest about who is the coolest
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goblin week posted:There's a chance there are two zoomer groups out there this is unfortunately true you have puriteens but you also have teens who take it as their god given right to be horny and will pitch shitfits about not being allowed in NSFW spaces. If you do any kind of porn stuff on twitter, then it's like a part time job just blocking all the teens trying to follow you proudly stating they're 14 in their bio.
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Tenebrais posted:Plenty of records like that were made and did exist, but materials only last so long and the local parish only has so much space to store them. No one was going to be terribly concerned with whether the record of John and Mary not-important-enough-to-have-surnames' marriage would still be available to check eight hundred years in the future. John and Mary's descendents will want to keep the thing. Because paper is expensive and they can just add a line for marriage per generation and save lots of money in the long term.
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Tenebrais posted:Plenty of records like that were made and did exist, but materials only last so long and the local parish only has so much space to store them. No one was going to be terribly concerned with whether the record of John and Mary not-important-enough-to-have-surnames' marriage would still be available to check eight hundred years in the future. A recurring theme in humanity is "There's no way this thing will be important later" followed by later generations going "Man I wish we had that thing, it's super important". A whole genre of YouTube these days is lost media stuff like "Search for this obscure game show that had six episodes in 1962" or "Unaired pilot of some show".
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Greatbacon posted:
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CharlestheHammer posted:And I mean actually into Roman history not nationalists nonsense we’re you treat ancient civilizations as a duck measuring contest about who is the coolest Sounds like an exciting contest
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jjack229 posted:Sounds like an exciting contest It's not all it's quacked up to be
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jjack229 posted:Sounds like an exciting contest We shall use my larger scales!
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https://twitter.com/DiehardPizzer/status/1577324425493434368?s=20&t=YgtLbYj71cJUoQQ8WS2N_w ???? ?? ????
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back in my day aspergers was the self diagnosis weirdos used on the internet to feel special, kids these days with their dissociative identity disorder!
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loving hell this thread makes me feel old sometimes.
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Heath posted:https://twitter.com/DiehardPizzer/status/1577324425493434368?s=20&t=YgtLbYj71cJUoQQ8WS2N_w So without specifically knowing any of those things I think DID is dissociative identity disorder or "multiple personalities" and there has been a thing for a while about people who think they are actually lots of people living in the same body (which I don't think is how DID actually works but seems like one of the many silly things imaginative kids like to believe at that sort of age) and I am assuming that "introject" means they imagine they are a facet of another person ("dream" I think is a minecraft youtuber or something who I think did a face reveal recently) and presumably they have now come up with some mythology where they are undergoing some sort of deep transformation and are separating from their "source" (who is the aforementioned minecraft youtuber they think they are spiritually born from. Honestly none of this is really any stupider than historical theology and at least minecraft youtubers are actually real and you can see them which is more than theologians have had to go on.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Also it should be said we do know a pretty decent amount about the poor in Rome, but it’s not terribly sexy info so unless your big into Rome you won’t see it.  I dare you to show me a cooler duck
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That dude's not wrong those are some pretty loving awesome cows.
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Don't worry, someone in that thread as been professionally diagnosed as being 'fictive dream' (for real guys, it happened) and they're saying your 'alters' can't go away. All those kids are still some Jim Halpert-looking youtuber, I guess.
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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:
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OwlFancier posted:So without specifically knowing any of those things I think DID is dissociative identity disorder or "multiple personalities" and there has been a thing for a while about people who think they are actually lots of people living in the same body (which I don't think is how DID actually works but seems like one of the many silly things imaginative kids like to believe at that sort of age) and I am assuming that "introject" means they imagine they are a facet of another person ("dream" I think is a minecraft youtuber or something who I think did a face reveal recently) and presumably they have now come up with some mythology where they are undergoing some sort of deep transformation and are separating from their "source" (who is the aforementioned minecraft youtuber they think they are spiritually born from. It is often something like multiple people living in the same body. But I think the thing that gets missed when people discuss this is that someone identifying as plural does not necessarily mean they are saying they have DID. Someone who's plural could just be choosing to conceptualize their mind as bunch of competing thought patterns and giving each of them names. They're not saying necessarily that they have any particular issue. DID is related to this idea, but it includes dissociative episodes, frequently with memory loss, where the primary driving identity decides to gently caress off for a bit to dissociation land, and another takes over to handle whatever triggered the episode. And, yes, DID can absolutely look like multiple different identities with different memories and different names all living in the one head.
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All that may be accurate but I would guess that exactly 0% of people posting that kind of stuff actually have those disorders and instead are just young people trying to find out who they are and also happen to be terminally online. It’s the modern equivalent of the “I am actually Vegeta reborn in this universe” kids from the mid 2000s.
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the whole concept of dissociative identity disorder / multiple personality disorder is like 2 people ever in all of history diagnosed with it, it's not even clear if it's a real disorder normal humans can get it's just insanely popular in pop science culture
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:All that may be accurate but I would guess that exactly 0% of people posting that kind of stuff actually have those disorders and instead are just young people trying to find out who they are and also happen to be terminally online. Yeah for sure, especially given that there's no psychiatric consensus that DID is even real, let alone something that can be diagnosed But like even if you assume it's completely real and take all the clinical evidence for it as fact you would still arrive at the conclusion that every single one of these people on tiktok is making it up
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It's just headmates and otherkins from Tumblr all over again
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