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Bottom Liner posted:I’ve only ever played Blitzbowl but the new BB rules look way better than the last edition, despite all the old players I know hating it. Some things are better, some are worse. Passing is now a stat, so high agility doesn't inherently mean good passing. Main complaint I've seen with the passing change is how a wildly inaccurate result works with a 2+ passing stat. Skilling up players is significantly changed. Some love it, some hate it. I'm on the fence on it still. Some skills got changed, though none were overly drastic. Star players each have their own unique abilities now too, which I'm not a fan of.
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Bottom Liner posted:I’ve only ever played Blitzbowl but the new BB rules look way better than the last edition, despite all the old players I know hating it. it's still blood bowl. the biggest change is that GW is changing the game at all rather than leaving it pretty much static for nearly 15 years
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Oct 6, 2022 18:37
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Bottom Liner posted:I’ve only ever played Blitzbowl but the new BB rules look way better than the last edition, despite all the old players I know hating it. I am admittedly a massive grognard and the game is honestly still very recognisably blood bowl. My frustrations come from the changes that were implemented seeming to have the opposite effect on the game and its meta than was presented as the goal in the designers commentary and preview materials, which feels like classic GW interference for the sake of doing it while not really understanding the game they were working on.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:38
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I just hope the trend doesn't continue of giving each team special unique traits/skills.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:40
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Instead of unique traits do you think it be better to have more traits to choose from, or is it already at good number? Maybe just another couple of trait trees to choose from and expanding what teams players can take at lvling.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:48
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Traits can't be chosen as part of a level up, only skills can. So you can't choose traits outside of just choosing different players. imo Hit and Run would make a good agility skill, but I'm also good with them not just throwing into the Agility skill pool without regard for balance-at-large. There are already teams with unique traits (Nurgle's Plague Ridden or the Goblin team as a whole) so it might just be my "old man yells at cloud" moment
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Oct 6, 2022 18:54
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Yeah, sorry, meant skills.
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Oct 6, 2022 18:55
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I'm interested in Blood Bowl, as it seems to be one of the couple of small scale games with a good scene locally. I have never played any version of it before. Aesthetically, I like the look of Norse and Amazons. Would either of those be reasonable starter teams for an experienced tabletop gamer who's never played BB? Would I be better off learning on the computer game version, which some of my local players have said is good?
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Oct 6, 2022 19:01
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The new Amazons look great, honestly. You just grab the ball and try to touch down. They're not the fastest team, but they'll be very difficult to actually stop thanks to all the dodging.
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Oct 6, 2022 19:06
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I really like the new edition, but I’m also biased as I’m in a good regular league, which I think helps a lot in terms of enjoyment of the ruleset. I’m also a bit disconnected from tournaments despite always wanting to go to the Chaos Cup thanks to being relatively close, so that particular meta is a bit out of my wheelhouse. As far as opinions about it, I think there’s a few things they can do moving forward (keeping in mind that these are just opinions and I haven’t done the math on it).
Mostly hoping for the last one because if you allow for Mercenaries from DZ, you can run a 6-chainsaw Goblin team.
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Muir posted:I'm interested in Blood Bowl, as it seems to be one of the couple of small scale games with a good scene locally. I have never played any version of it before. Aesthetically, I like the look of Norse and Amazons. Would either of those be reasonable starter teams for an experienced tabletop gamer who's never played BB? Would I be better off learning on the computer game version, which some of my local players have said is good? Both Amazons and Norse are relatively fragile teams due to their low armor, but Norse brawl better due to having lots of Block and Amazons play the agility game a little better due to Dodge. The BB2 computer game uses the old ruleset, so there's differences there. But it would absolutely be good for learning the basics like how tackle zones work and general tactics.
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Oct 6, 2022 20:27
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Dragonshirt posted:Sorry, I'm looking for something that looks vaguely industrial, like a Space Hulk floor. Sector Mechanicus bases. Cheapest on the market short of making/printing your own.
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Oct 6, 2022 21:38
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Siivola posted:The new Amazons look great, honestly. You just grab the ball and try to touch down. They're not the fastest team, but they'll be very difficult to actually stop thanks to all the dodging. Floppychop posted:Both Amazons and Norse are relatively fragile teams due to their low armor, but Norse brawl better due to having lots of Block and Amazons play the agility game a little better due to Dodge. Cool, thanks! I'll probably play some BB2 to learn the basics, then I'll decide from there but probably go with Amazons. Or maybe wait for BB3 if that's coming out soon?
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You're better off getting BB2, especially if you can find it on sale. BB3 is in a weird state of limbo with an unknown release date and sporadic alpha tests.
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If you want to play under the current Blood Bowl ruleset, then Fumbbl is a good shout. It’s Java-based, free, and has a really good community with leagues for new players. I’ve mostly played Blood Bowl at tournaments, so with low TVs and restricted skills, which means my views are coloured by the changes which have affected that side of things, but in general the Passing thing in BB20 is just a change to be managed, but the bad star player skills and costings have had more of a detrimental impact on things. I do love tournament blood bowl still though, even with all the changes.
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Dragonshirt posted:Sorry, I'm looking for something that looks vaguely industrial, like a Space Hulk floor. Sector Mechanicus or Necromunda bases if you're looking specifically for a GW product. Otherwise yeah I'd just search "industrial bases" on Etsy for cheap 3d printed stuff.
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Playing a dozen or so matches in FUMBBL will not take a lot of time and will help you get a grasp of the basics of Blood Bowl without having to painstakingly get them explained over a several hours long game. It'll also teach you a lot of the newbie mistakes and have them lead to you lose for 30 min instead of lose during a several hours long game. I can highly recommend it before getting to grips with the physical version of the game, as it'll be more enjoyable. There are a lot of ways to exploit a complete beginner that you want to experience as rapidly as possible and in shorter games, which FUMBBL excels at.
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Muir posted:Cool, thanks! I'll probably play some BB2 to learn the basics, then I'll decide from there but probably go with Amazons. Or maybe wait for BB3 if that's coming out soon? Honestly, since you said there's a good local scene it might not hurt to see if anyone has a few teams you can try out and learn the game and then buy a team based off that experience. I know in my local area myself and at least one other person have like 10 teams between us and are always eager to teach new people and have them use our teams before they commit anything. Blood Bowl 2 uses a slightly older ruleset so the style wouldn't necessarily translate wholly.
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Muir posted:Cool, thanks! I'll probably play some BB2 to learn the basics, then I'll decide from there but probably go with Amazons. Or maybe wait for BB3 if that's coming out soon? Just realize that BB2s AI is somehow worse then the original which would always send out a single player to threaten a score on a long pass. BB2's AI will just cage and then not move. Last time I played the AI had cleared every piece in front of the ballcarrier and then spent 2 turns making a cage with 3 turns left in the half. Try to find a rookie league once you get down the basics
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New killteam box continuing the Spacehulk theme. Kasrkin vs Cryptek pillaging squad.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:New killteam box continuing the Spacehulk theme. Kasrkin vs Cryptek pillaging squad. I swore I wasn't going to buy any more KillTeam stuff until I had all my other KillTeam stuff painted. 
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Super happy that necrons got a team. That means one less compendium team so the chances of getting a new Tyranid team are higher! ... Right?
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Competitive Kill Team question - do you *have* to bring a full roster to tournaments? Working on my Legionaries and it kinda seems like you'd really never have a reason to bring much beyond what comes in the box since they just seem strictly superior to the alternatives.
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Aranan posted:Super happy that necrons got a team. That means one less compendium team so the chances of getting a new Tyranid team are higher! I think it would be insane if neither of the two remaining spacehulkesque killteam boxes had tyranids
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The greatest move would be to drop a box that's terminators vs genestealers (or at least Tyranids in general)
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Competitive Kill Team question - do you *have* to bring a full roster to tournaments? Working on my Legionaries and it kinda seems like you'd really never have a reason to bring much beyond what comes in the box since they just seem strictly superior to the alternatives. You don't have to bring anything outside of single team. I mean you do have to at least one legit KT in your rooster but you don't have to bring 20 dudes
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Competitive Kill Team question - do you *have* to bring a full roster to tournaments? Working on my Legionaries and it kinda seems like you'd really never have a reason to bring much beyond what comes in the box since they just seem strictly superior to the alternatives. Siivola fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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Siivola posted:You should really consider building some guys with guns too. With an undivided icon bearer they're shootier than Intercessors. And once you've got some guys with guns you might as well build some guys with the other guns options, too. Yeah, I probably will build some shooty ones just to have them. The melee units just seem so pushed, but I might totally change my mind once I get a few games in.
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Now that I’ve gotten into the nitty gritty of narrative play (spec ops), I gotta say it’s pretty drat fun. You can upgrade your base and your dudes, get battle scars, buy equipment, train, rest and recuperate…it’s like table top xcom
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Yeah, I probably will build some shooty ones just to have them. The melee units just seem so pushed, but I might totally change my mind once I get a few games in.
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a fatguy baldspot posted:it’s like table top xcom after the first game of the new edition, both my friend and I said the same thing and got super excited
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How about 3 lictors vs a whole squad of catachans
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Yeah, nids vs Catachans seems like an obvious one - Grey Knights vs Demons seems like another easy choice for armies that haven't had a KT box yet. Personally I'm hoping we get another Ork box at some point with a bunch of stormboyz ping-ponging around inside a space hulk. The kommandos kit was awesome for being versatile enough to create all the Kill Team specialists while giving you enough bits to also function as a complete refresh on the old 40k kommando models.
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What would a bespoke Grey Knights team even be? I'm new to KT and the 40k world but I've read the Grey Knights codex three or four times since they're my Kill Team and if (when) I surrender to the allure of the combat patrol box will be my 40k force and I'm kind of at a loss to come up with any version of them that's not just the Compendium team but maybe with more interesting equipment. I guess Paladins maybe but KT doesn't have anything on 40mm bases does it?
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The same as the other bespoke teams: a bunch of made up specialist names and roles that are thematic to the faction.
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Just one Grey Knight Terminator
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Let’s say I’m trying to make a Death Guard kill team of 6 plague marines (2 fireteams of 3 dudes), what’s a good way to kit them out? I’ve got 3 separate plague marines already done (one with a flail of corruption, a champion with bolt gun and power fist, and an icon bearer) and I have an entire box of plague marines to kit out however I want. How should I build the box so I’ve got a good variety I can pluck from? Also is a 6-man kill team even viable? I’m guessing pox walkers are probably a good idea but I just… don’t want to paint them lol Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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Anarcho-Commissar posted:Just one Grey Knight Terminator
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Froghammer posted:I maintain that there should be a Knight kill team that's just one Armiger a knight kill tram that's one grail knight or four knights errant
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