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Igor is sounding more like Reddit Armchair analysis than anything. Why not let us get the video cards that could replace a water heater and see what the results are? I wonder if it will as loud as the 5000 series back in the day with the leaf blower for a fan.
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...do they make that 104 sized board with a PCI slot? I have an idea for a terrible build.
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Bondematt posted:...do they make that 104 sized board with a PCI slot? PCIe 16x slots won’t fit in the form factor. I’m poking around industrial embedded sites and I think the smallest place you can find a 16x slot is ITX.
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hobbesmaster posted:PCIe 16x slots won’t fit in the form factor. I’m poking around industrial embedded sites and I think the smallest place you can find a 16x slot is ITX. Yeah, best I found was you might be able to do a breakout board to PCI X16 on certain pc104 boards, but no mention if what gen it even is. Just wanted a stupid tiny case mounted to a 4090.
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Termyie posted:Igor is sounding more like Reddit Armchair analysis than anything. Why not let us get the video cards that could replace a water heater and see what the results are? I wonder if it will as loud as the 5000 series back in the day with the leaf blower for a fan. The whole obsessive internet culture around GPUs these days is pretty tiring honestly. Between the losers still brand warrioring publicly traded billion dollar tech companies in 2022 (lol), the leak industrial complex both getting used as marketing directly and also just randomly making stupid poo poo up, the youtubers/bloggers realizing that being negative about every single product gets more clicks, the tiresome repeated reddit memes, etc. These are supposed to be fun toys that you can choose to buy or not man, like, its ok!
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Bondematt posted:Yeah, best I found was you might be able to do a breakout board to PCI X16 on certain pc104 boards, but no mention if what gen it even is. comedy option: intel nuc compute element paired with a 4090
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repiv posted:comedy option: intel nuc compute element paired with a 4090 ...oh man I didn't even think of those. Might need to do some digging as they might even make a competent gaming PC rather than just a joke.
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22.10.1 Release Notesquote:Known Issues Ohhhhhh. So AMD has been why Youtube (on Firefox) was freezing and only playing audio on my second monitor above 480p when I was playing FFXIV on my main. And why the Photos app crashes when playing gifs or mp4s and why the Windows Movie & TV freezes and crashes my desktop. AMD hasn't had Recommended WHQL drivers for five months and these have been an issue for a good while. I really hope 22.10.2 is soon and fixes them. edit: I managed to migrate these issues by replacing the Windows apps with third party ones like VLC Media Player and IrfanView some time ago. OhFunny fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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kliras posted:yeah there's been a lot of frustration on the /r/amd subreddit over the regressions in the last update. also sounds like it's the first driver regression in a while The video in browsers has been an issue since June at least. I remember posting about it here. Since I thought it was Firefox acting up, but found it happening on Edge and Chrome. I did manage to fix that after flipping enough switches in AMD's control settings. The problem with playing videos on the desktop is at least a month old. I noticed it in early September when I moved all the screenshots and mp4s on my Switch over to my PC to free up size and discovered all the mp4s would freeze or crash my system. I thought it was an issue with something Nintendo did until I realized every video on my PC was doing the same. I figured it was a Windows issue since switching their apps out with third party ones fixed it. Which is why I didn't post about it here. edit: Paul MaudDib posted:GPU acceleration has been semi-broken on both brands indefinitely, there are active browser bugs on AMD that I remember from getting my 7850 back in 2012. This is something I did, but switching off hardware acceleration did not fix the problem for either the browser issues or the video issues. OhFunny fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 6, 2022 |
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Bondematt posted:...oh man I didn't even think of those. Those won’t work, PCIE 4x only and no physical slot. I think the smallest and silliest you can do is the mITX type boards intended for “gaming” applications like slot machines, video poker and so forth. For example: A general industrial motherboard A gaming targeted one
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hobbesmaster posted:Those won’t work, PCIE 4x only and no physical slot. Some of them say they have Thunderbolt ports, so full silly would have it connected to an external gpu, assuming it works like i think it should.
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How were Amazon for getting 3000 series cards? I would really prefer to use Amazon due to the same day delivery and returns policy I wanna order that poo poo in the morning and get it by noon 
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Taima posted:How were Amazon for getting 3000 series cards? I would really prefer to use Amazon due to the same day delivery and returns policy Botted to gently caress like every other retailer during the chip shortage.
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Best Buy is the way to go IMO. Same day delivery if you have one in town, or you can drive out and have them put it in your car for you without entering the store.
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Paul MaudDib posted:RDNA2 just has bad RT perf in general, I think it’s just a lower priority for AMD at least as of last gen, especially with consoles being in the drivers seat, but AMD could have designed it more scalable if they wanted. Like they could have had consoles use a have double-pumped or quad-pumped version that executes more slowly, or design faster units but only put them in half the TMUs on the consoles. AMD doesn’t seem to prioritize it right now, kinda like tessellation back in the GCN1 days. RDNA2's RT performance is trash, but I wasn't talking about that. AMD performs worse than usual at rasterization in some games like spider-man, and in SM's case specifically I suspect it's due to the lower memory bandwidth. Though I did gently caress up by saying "40-series" in that post instead of "30-series." Zedsdeadbaby posted:That makes sense, the 600w rumor hung around like a bad smell for like a year. It was only recently they apparently went back on it The biggest cards probably actually ARE still 600W cards. Supposedly they're dual-bios cards that have a stock bios and an OC bios with a ridiculous power limit. There's a reason why Asus recommends a 1000W PSU for the ROG Strix while they only recommend 850W for the Tuf Gaming. Here's a 4090 pulling 600W: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-spotted-reaching-3-0-ghz-and-616-watts-with-gpu-stress-tool The clock speed shown is lower at 600W. It would be funny if that power limit caused the card to thermally throttle and perform worse. (edit: 600W was pulled in Furmark which explains the clock speed differential) Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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repiv posted:the double edged sword of nvidia pushing traversal into dedicated hardware is they can't add any new functionality there without new hardware They could do a software traversal like AMD, if the new capability was worth it, no?
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Subjunctive posted:They could do a software traversal like AMD, if the new capability was worth it, no? they could, but discarding much of their general purpose traversal performance to gain some relatively specialized optimizations almost certainly isn't worth it AMD have nothing to lose by tacking more features onto their traversal loop however
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repiv posted:makes me wonder what shenanigans they'll get up to in the console space as they're stuck with RDNA2 for the next 6-8 years, being able to customize the BVH walk arbitrarily could lead to some fun optimizations that will never see the light of day on PC I hope to be proven wrong, but I actually think that as the console generation marches on and games stop targeting PS4 / Xbox One, we're going to see 30 fps make a comeback. Time will tell.
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we've yet to see UE5s lumen running at more than 30fps on the consoles  at least metro exodus enhanced serves as a proof that the consoles can handle advanced raytracing effects at 60fps and decent resolution (well, maybe not on the Series S) if developers put their minds to it repiv fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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repiv posted:we've yet to see UE5s lumen running at more than 30fps on the consoles RDNA2 doesn't have the most robust raytracing but next gen consoles with RDNA4 probably will.
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repiv posted:at least metro exodus enhanced serves as a proof that the consoles can handle advanced raytracing effects at 60fps and decent resolution (well, maybe not on the Series S) if FTFY Those folks have always been able to wring performant lighting out of potatoes, going back to their STALKER roots. Agree with you, joking aside: there's good motivation to figure out how to get at least smooth 30 fps out of the RDNA2 hardware for a while yet. Good observation on how that will motivate software side optimizations for RT. Do you think this was a deliberate design choice from AMD in their existing RT implementation as opposed to not having the time to implement it until RDNA3? I don't even know what's missing in RDNA2 for RT in hardware that may be added in RDNA3 to achieve perf parity with Nvidia's stuff, to be honest. But I hope everyone embraces it somewhere during this console gen.
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shrike82 posted:i'm also curious about the rumored switch 2 nvidia soc and how it'll fare against games targetting PS5/XSX Its probably going to look almost exactly like one of the "Jetson Orin Nano series" columns. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/autonomous-machines/embedded-systems/jetson-orin/#orion-prod-module-dev-kit-specs Whats interesting is the GPU config: "1024-core NVIDIA Ampere architecture GPU with 32 Tensor Cores" at 625MHz. The current switch is: 256:16:16 (shaders aka cores, tmu, rop), at 1 GHz. Despite the lower clocks it has double the memory bandwidth and paper FP32 performance which is all we can use as a proxy for graphics from a datasheet. An ampere core would come with DLSS which probably will be the biggest thing, but its still a 5-15W APU. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Mining demand was nearly unlimited at the time, so I don't think it would've taken any pressure off of Nvidia and AMD cards. Increase the GPU supply by 2x, and miners would've bought 2x as many cards, I'm positive. This is just embarrassingly too big. What a joke this gen is. It’s pathetic.
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v1ld posted:Good observation on how that will motivate software side optimizations for RT. Do you think this was a deliberate design choice from AMD in their existing RT implementation as opposed to not having the time to implement it until RDNA3? i think the implementation in RDNA2 was just a minimum viable product, it's pretty clear which way the wind is blowing with both nvidia and intel offloading more and more RT functions to dedicated hardware nvidia spent a decade refining software raytracing in OptiX before RTX arrived, they certainly gave the idea a fair shake before throwing up their hands and deciding that it warranted dedicated silicon repiv fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Oct 7, 2022 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Its probably going to look almost exactly like one of the "Jetson Orin Nano series" columns. you have to wonder if the existing DLSS pretrained networks will work well with the upscaling input and output resolutions that a Switch would need. not sure if Nvidia would do it for free or Nintendo would pay for it either
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amd are just technologically behind the curve on raytracing and are playing catch-up, i'm not sure there's that much more to it. they didn't dedicate as much die space to dedicated rt hardware like nvidia did, presumably because they were more focused on catching up with rasterisation. if rdna3 is competitive with the 30-series though on raytracing that'll probably be good enough for now though, with the 40-series being what it is. the leaked switch 2 graphics api included support for raytracing & dlss but i wouldn't really expect much in the way of rt performance at all. dlss is pretty decent at even fairly low native resolutions these days, but idk exactly where the performance sweet-spot will be for the switch 2. would hazard a guess that they'll want to aim for 720p native so they can do 4k alright with dlss ultra performance, and 1080p extremely well? maybe 540p to 720p for handheld depending on screen resolution?
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shrike82 posted:you have to wonder if the existing DLSS pretrained networks will work well with the upscaling input and output resolutions that a Switch would need. not sure if Nvidia would do it for free or Nintendo would pay for it either DLSS is definitely on the cards for the next switch, in the big nvidia leak there were direct references to running it under the NVN2 API (NVN being the custom graphics API on the switch) and also references to needing an ampere card to optimally simulate NVN2 in a PC development environment as for how well it will work at the modest resolutions the switch2 will probably target, who knows
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Well it’s definitely been true for a couple of generations now that you need to double check your case size for GPU clearance before you buy something. Modern cases have gotten better for GPU clearance by necessity, but compact cases have always been touch and go for the top end cards. E: I should state I’m not defending the humongous size of the 4090s, just that the pics of “lol it doesn’t fit because it’s big” have been around for years, it’s not a new phenomenon.
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AirRaid posted:Well it’s definitely been true for a couple of generations now that you need to double check your case size for GPU clearance before you buy something. Modern cases have gotten better for GPU clearance by necessity, but compact cases have always been touch and go for the top end cards. Maybe, but we're able to take those pics with bigger cases each new generation, and it never stops being funny.
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