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Paracaidas posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1578490204964687872 like it's great that he's claiming that but he's not the executive so he can't actually do that, right?
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Jaxyon posted:like it's great that he's claiming that but he's not the executive so he can't actually do that, right? My understanding is that it'd be wrong to mistake that as him being unable to claim any privilege at all, or to argue that certain records are personal under the Presidential Records Act.
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Oct 7, 2022 22:44
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The DoD is going to remove and rename all government property named after confederate generals. I wonder how they picked the new names? But this is unambigiously a good thing, first with renaming any public feature with the native slur sq** and now with refusing to honor literal traitors.
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Oct 7, 2022 22:49
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Twincityhacker posted:I wonder how they picked the new names? But this is unambigiously a good thing, first with renaming any public feature with the native slur sq** and now with refusing to honor literal traitors. It says in the memo this is the result of each base holding its own local process
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haveblue posted:It says in the memo this is the result of each base holding its own local process drat, that's like the best possible way to do this, too. I was involved in the renaming of a city park that was named after a slave holder and minor signatory of the declaration of independence. We got that renamed after a historic Black woman from the area, and now the park flies a pan-African flag.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Evangelical Christian author Rod Dreher - who worked for the LA Times, NPR, the Wall Street Journal, and the Weekly Standard - has put out an insane essay today in the American Conservative where makes weirdly anti-Semitic claims about Jews controlling culture and seems to out himself as bisexual. The entire thrust of this is essentially "if too many people learn about the joys of hot gay sex they'll never go back to the straight life and humanity is doomed!" 
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Oct 7, 2022 23:24
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:The entire thrust of this is essentially "if too many people learn about the joys of hot gay sex they'll never go back to the straight life and humanity is doomed!"
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Oct 7, 2022 23:30
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haveblue posted:It says in the memo this is the result of each base holding its own local process I actually know a little about this as I'm connected to one of the installations that's getting renamed! They did do local panels, both on their own and with members of the DoD Naming Commission (a new thing set up by Congressional mandate to handle this stuff), and the commission collected input and feedback both from the public and the installation community, but ultimately the commission made the pick. They really wanted to name the bases after people, so sadly they didn't go with the other popular suggestion that referenced the local geography. I was actually pretty pleasantly surprised that even most of the crusty rednecks weren't too bothered by the renaming, they just talked about how much they care about the place and want it to have a name that's fitting.
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Quorum posted:I actually know a little about this as I'm connected to one of the installations that's getting renamed! They did do local panels, both on their own and with members of the DoD Naming Commission (a new thing set up by Congressional mandate to handle this stuff), and the commission collected input and feedback both from the public and the installation community, but ultimately the commission made the pick. They really wanted to name the bases after people, so sadly they didn't go with the other popular suggestion that referenced the local geography. I was actually pretty pleasantly surprised that even most of the crusty rednecks weren't too bothered by the renaming, they just talked about how much they care about the place and want it to have a name that's fitting. I suppose that saves us from Basey McBase Face.
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haveblue posted:It says in the memo this is the result of each base holding its own local process ...dammit. I swear I can read.
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Jaxyon posted:like it's great that he's claiming that but he's not the executive so he can't actually do that, right? For documents where someone claims that, a 3rd party (typically the trial judge) looks at it and says "Yes, this is you talking to your attorney and none of exemptions X, Y, or Z apply" or "No, this is not actually privileged, the other side gets to see it"
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:The entire thrust of this is essentially "if too many people learn about the joys of hot gay sex they'll never go back to the straight life and humanity is doomed!" drat, talk about feeding two birds with one scone.
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They make it sound like heroin. I wouldn't touch the stuff under normal circumstances but if I knew I was on my deathbed, sure, bring on the palliative sodomy.
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Nameless Pete posted:They make it sound like heroin. I wouldn't touch the stuff under normal circumstances but if I knew I was on my deathbed, sure, bring on the palliative sodomy. "Pallative Sodomy" sounds like a name for a particularly heavy death metal band and/or song
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Re Warnock/Walker race, doesn't Walker's old girlfriend remaining anonymous seriously limit any potential impact her story could have? I mean the accusers in the Roy Moore election came public and he still almost won.
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Zwabu posted:Re Warnock/Walker race, doesn't Walker's old girlfriend remaining anonymous seriously limit any potential impact her story could have? I mean the accusers in the Roy Moore election came public and he still almost won. I mean, mother of one of his children isn't exactly anonymous, even if we protect her direct identity. Have we discussed how she's come forward saying he pressured her to have a second abortion?
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Zwabu posted:Re Warnock/Walker race, doesn't Walker's old girlfriend remaining anonymous seriously limit any potential impact her story could have? I mean the accusers in the Roy Moore election came public and he still almost won. Christian's outburst probably did more to harm than the initial accusation. It not only confirmed it but also hinted at more to come and that the Walker family has bigger troubles than just Herschel's philandering.
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It's really hard to say at this point. Like, 'people with the proper privilege and power can and should do whatever they want, rules are for the untermenschen' is a key and increasingly unsubtle part of the Republican platform, and one that their base wholeheartedly agrees with as long as they're riled up enough. Merely pointing at Republicans about how bad they are clearly works to a point, it's one of the reasons Biden won, but even at best it's not a sustainable strategy on its own.
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The Walker stuff also kind of reveals something about the anti-abortion movement, and it's that they don't really want to make abortion illegal. They want to make it illegal for women to decide to have an abortion. If the man decides it's not the right time to have a child, that's fine, it's nothing to be ashamed of, as Walker said himself. But women making that same decision on their own? Hell no.
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Yeah, it’s reproduction as a means of reducing women to being objects that men control, which is something especially women who are anti-abortion don’t always seem to understand.
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I see that Matt Walsh, who has been one of the main right-wing media figures pushing to essentially make it illegal to be trans, just came out in favor of arranged marriages. Definitely a great 'defender of women' right there https://twitter.com/AriDrennen/status/1578419621803483138?s=20&t=dFXO5seXaQ6f8y8q2cso9w
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Zwabu posted:Re Warnock/Walker race, doesn't Walker's old girlfriend remaining anonymous seriously limit any potential impact her story could have? I mean the accusers in the Roy Moore election came public and he still almost won. It's not really a one to one comparison. Roy Moore was in Alabama so being a known pedophile who was banned from malls for being a pedophile was barely enough to make him lose, and he lost a special election with low turnout where the Republicans just didn't show up. We already knew Walker's election would be close, he's against an incumbent, and Warnock was already (slightly) favored before this.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's really hard to say at this point. Like, 'people with the proper privilege and power can and should do whatever they want, rules are for the untermenschen' is a key and increasingly unsubtle part of the Republican platform, and one that their base wholeheartedly agrees with as long as they're riled up enough. I think it got mentioned before, but a lot of campaigning is aimed at Undecided voters. Generally speaking, Dems are gonna vote Dem, Republicans are gonna vote Republican - Any fuckery the party does is going to be ignored or handwaved away in the name of making sure the other team doesn't win. They're a lock as long as they show up, barring any sort of suppression efforts. It's the people going "Hmm, I dunno..." that most ads are aimed at since they're the ones who need to be convinced.
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Are there really undecided voters at this point in history? Or is that meant in the sense of “undecided about whether or not they’re going to bother voting this time”?
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I AM GRANDO posted:Are there really undecided voters at this point in history? Or is that meant in the sense of “undecided about whether or not they’re going to bother voting this time”? Yeah every time I saw someone say they were "undecided" in 2020 I called bullshit on. It's fine to have said "I really am defeated and don't care who wins so I'm sleeping in Tuesday" but no one was really having trouble deciding between Biden and Trump
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A lot of people are undecided between "I should go vote for the side closer to me" and "but both sides are the same, maaan, why bother?"
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I AM GRANDO posted:Are there really undecided voters at this point in history? Or is that meant in the sense of “undecided about whether or not they’re going to bother voting this time”? Yes and they are the dumbest dipshits imaginable.
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I swear there was a study saying that the actual number of undecided voters is pretty low in the modern era due to polarization
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FlamingLiberal posted:I swear there was a study saying that the actual number of undecided voters is pretty low in the modern era due to polarization Yes, but it isn't zero, which means that they can keep cutting those sweet sweet paychecks to the ad companies and PR consultants.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I swear there was a study saying that the actual number of undecided voters is pretty low in the modern era due to polarization I wonder what could possibly ever change someone’s alignment these days. Can the GOP screw up badly enough for people to decide they aren’t a Republican anymore? My Mom ditched the GOP after a lifetime of being a Republican because of the failures and corruption of the GWB administration. But she wasn’t a Fox News watcher. I don’t know if people who choose that bubble can break out very easily. I suppose show demographic change can change the assignment of a population but it’s hard to rely on and the GOP continues to game the system further to compensate.
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Zwabu posted:I wonder what could possibly ever change someone’s alignment these days. Can the GOP screw up badly enough for people to decide they aren’t a Republican anymore? We also saw a lot of Hispanic shift towards the GOP which unfortunately may be more permanent
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Zwabu posted:I wonder what could possibly ever change someone’s alignment these days. Can the GOP screw up badly enough for people to decide they aren’t a Republican anymore? Jan 6 broke my mom, but she never really voted very often and she’s still socially conservative so it’s not like anything really changed.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Are there really undecided voters at this point in history? Or is that meant in the sense of “undecided about whether or not they’re going to bother voting this time”? There were real undecideds as recently as 2020. You can usually find a few articles in each election cycle where reporters go and talk to undecideds instead of doing a Trump safari. From what I've seen, self-proclaimed undecideds usually seem to fall into one of four major camps:
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Nameless Pete posted:They make it sound like heroin. I wouldn't touch the stuff under normal circumstances but if I knew I was on my deathbed, sure, bring on the palliative sodomy. I've brought up before in other threads but so long as we have this "Fentanyl Epidemic" and seem to be struggling with implementing the death penalty in ways that don't make people feel icky, why not just OD people sentenced to capital punishment with hot shots collected and stored in evidence labs? I'm 100% totally opposed to the death penalty, mind, but were I ever to be on death row and face my maker, I'll take "heroin overdose, please" and feel like an opioid overdose might be some sort of happy medium. This way, we can avoid all those problematic uncomfortable issues like people being set on fire during electrocution and writhing in agony with weird chemicals coursing through their veins that make them FEEL like they're on fire. Even though some DP proponents prefer that aspect of corporal punishment, I've never been a fan. E Also, really loving wild to sit back and take in several things the Biden administration has done in the last 3-6 months that actually seem to matter to people and watching his approval rating go up. The cynic in me says it's all timed to election year politics and timing but I can't shake the idea how amazing it is that when Democrats actually DO the things we elect them to do that their overall support rises. Seeing Biden do his recent 180 on locking people up for weed was probably the single easiest thing he could have done from the outset. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 8, 2022 |
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Main Paineframe posted:There were real undecideds as recently as 2020. You can usually find a few articles in each election cycle where reporters go and talk to undecideds instead of doing a Trump safari. it's also working to convince the opposing parties voters to not turn out, i.e. you are pro-life to the point where you can't vote for a dirty abortionist
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I think most people who advocate for the death penalty really like the ritual aspects of it and would feel that it wasn’t really the death penalty if terror and pain weren’t properly measured aspects of it.
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I AM GRANDO posted:I think most people who advocate for the death penalty really like the ritual aspects of it and would feel that it wasn’t really the death penalty if terror and pain weren’t properly measured aspects of it. Maybe, but almost to a man, the people who've witnessed botched executions did not like it. Funny that.
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Well yeah, I can’t eat beef any more because I learned too much about cows.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Are there really undecided voters at this point in history? Or is that meant in the sense of “undecided about whether or not they’re going to bother voting this time”? Pew says that as many as 30% of voters say they are undecided at the beginning of the campaign. But, almost all of them end up voting for the party they usually vote for. The true amount of actual undecided voters who switch votes between elections is between 8% and 12%. That is definitely a significant enough group to swing elections, but also good to keep in mind that these billions of dollars over 1.5 years are targeted at 1 out of every 10 voters at best. This was for President, so may not be applicable to midterms. Also, not all undecided voters are the same. Some vote on personality, some are single-issue voters, some are (imho, dumb) people who just vote for whatever party is out of power for "balance." FlamingLiberal posted:I swear there was a study saying that the actual number of undecided voters is pretty low in the modern era due to polarization This was also the thesis of the Pew survey, so it was probably the same one.
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BiggerBoat posted:Maybe, but almost to a man, the people who've witnessed botched executions did not like it. Funny that. I mean the whole conservative mindset is based on not understanding the brutal realities of the policies they prefer. They'll vote to send trans people to the ovens in a heartbeat but they don't want to be the people working in the camp.
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