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Welcome to final chapter of USCE this year. We're really gearing up for Midterms, and therefore things may get extra snippy. Please keep yourselves civil here. If you do just want to come to this thread to argue, we can point you to a more productive place. Evergreen topic info: This is a quick reminder that USCE is for discussing of current events and news about the United States in the year of our LORD 2022. If anyone has some interesting articles they wish to talk about, post it here! And please add some of your own commentary to it first. This isn't supposed to be a place to just dump bad tweets. There are plenty of other places to do that on SA, or if you just like reading those, do it on Twitter with the weirdos. Also of note, we understand that there will be some repeating or blending of info about the 2022 midterm races. Some sharing of conversation is fine, but if you're talking about or linking an article for a specific senate/house/gov race, the conversation would probably be better in the Dedicated Midterms thread. The latest news from the last thread was about Florida using their federal COVID funds to fly people to Martha's Vineyard. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Seems like there was an enormous amount of fraud with the CARES Act and the early days of the pandemic.
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when's the government gonna give me more money?
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Sep 23, 2022 02:46
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quote:Does anyone else think about how Doc Brown's original family name was von Braun and also the magic speed to time travel is 88 mph? Thread title made me think of this post
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Thread title made me think of this post Huh, apparently Tannen is a German-Jewish surname, too. Checks out, BttF is crypto-fascist.
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Sep 23, 2022 02:52
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For the fall I'm genuinely mostly interested in the competition for the absolute bottom of the barrel for quality of GOP candidates and GOP representatives — who are the ten worst sitting federal representatives and why? Who are the ten worst new midterm candidates and why? They feel like they've been competing against themselves to see if they can nominate the absolute worst people possible, and the reasons get more and more surreal. You got strange people who would even challenge Boebert and Greene. You have candidates who have obviously mentally compromised enough that they are candidates for long term care, but they're being put forth as the GOP's best.
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Sep 23, 2022 02:52
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any Florida goons? I love how all the attack ads against Val Demmings paint her as dangerously radical. Its amusing how most of the ads are written for people that live in The Villages.
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Sep 23, 2022 11:24
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ManBoyChef posted:any Florida goons? I love how all the attack ads against Val Demmings paint her as dangerously radical. Its amusing how most of the ads are written for people that live in The Villages. Like this is a woman who was a cop for a long time and then went straight to Congress. I don’t think she has a chance to win at all because Rubio gets a lot of the Hispanic vote and without good support from that any Dem candidates in this state are DOA
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Sep 23, 2022 12:16
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He's really trying to make sure things get violent when he gets indicted. Fully leaning into the Q thing, out in the open. https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1573297065492455424?s=20&t=jOyH3MQJZevpWQsuwSFqkQ
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Sep 23, 2022 16:21
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skylined! posted:He's really trying to make sure things get violent when he gets indicted. Fully leaning into the Q thing, out in the open. I wonder if the person who designed the Dark Knight promo images regrets doing so, based on how often they're used for insane political poo poo.
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Sep 23, 2022 16:33
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skylined! posted:He's really trying to make sure things get violent when he gets indicted. Fully leaning into the Q thing, out in the open. I wonder if this can be used against him in some incoming charges.
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Sep 23, 2022 18:10
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Cimber posted:I wonder if this can be used against him in some incoming charges. Guess it would ultimately depend on what charges you have in mind, but I think it would be kind of a stretch. Unless he's actively saying "I want you to grab your guns and go invade DC again" or something actively incriminating, they'll probably be able to handwave it away as "Well he didn't TECHNICALLY instruct anyone to do anything."
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Sep 23, 2022 18:40
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skylined! posted:He's really trying to make sure things get violent when he gets indicted. Fully leaning into the Q thing, out in the open. Q is the worst thing ever and I loving hate it even exists
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Sep 23, 2022 19:26
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Cimber posted:I wonder if this can be used against him in some incoming charges. "Inciting stochastic terrorism" isn't really a crime. IANAL, but it would seem to me that you'd need to be able to draw a straight line from Trump to tiki-torch wielding Meal Team Six terrorist to nail him on anything.
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Sep 23, 2022 19:30
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OAquinas posted:"Inciting stochastic terrorism" isn't really a crime. IANAL, but it would seem to me that you'd need to be able to draw a straight line from Trump to tiki-torch wielding Meal Team Six terrorist to nail him on anything. I thought "incitement" is a crime, especially incitement to riot, which is what they'd define the January 6th incident as, as well as any retread Trump manages to kick off. Now, you couldn't charge Trump for inspiring people, if then they go off and riot without him having some kind of direct inducement (ie., the January 6th rally speech), as I understand it. But, stuff like all of this Q-branded messaging - and his constant retweeting of it now - comes a lot closer to representing him making an obvious incitement via his social media speech. IANAL and I don't know if any of this is chargeable, but it seems like if he does manages another Jan. 6, then you could definitely use this in the trial against him*. *I know it's not coming to that; let me have this for a moment.
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Sep 23, 2022 19:59
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It depends on exactly what he posted. Recording himself with the letter Q in various poses, or making references to Q memes, isn't incitement. Getting someone on incitement requires specific calls to imminent violence.
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Sep 23, 2022 20:10
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Main Paineframe posted:It depends on exactly what he posted. Recording himself with the letter Q in various poses, or making references to Q memes, isn't incitement. Getting someone on incitement requires specific calls to imminent violence. This Q stuff that Trump is dabbling in isn't incitement, and probably wouldn't rise to that level. However, if he were to be taken to trial over the Jan. 6th stuff, or any future riots he incites, wouldn't it be admissible as evidence of a basic pattern, possibly even as examples of what defines Trump's particular speech and message in regards to the actual inciting message/incident? Or is too broad for anyone to consider in a legal sense, even though we all know what it is in a practical one?
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Sep 23, 2022 21:07
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I really regret not making up some nonsense "business" so I could get in on that PPP loan scam. E: Lol remember 2 weeks ago when republican's were like "uh this was free government handout welfare money for us never intended to be paid back so there's deffo no contradictions with what we claim to believe here, checkmate libs  ".
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Sep 23, 2022 21:30
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Class3KillStorm posted:This Q stuff that Trump is dabbling in isn't incitement, and probably wouldn't rise to that level. However, if he were to be taken to trial over the Jan. 6th stuff, or any future riots he incites, wouldn't it be admissible as evidence of a basic pattern, possibly even as examples of what defines Trump's particular speech and message in regards to the actual inciting message/incident? Or is too broad for anyone to consider in a legal sense, even though we all know what it is in a practical one? It is protected speech to promote a violent conspiracy theory, no matter how noxious you or I might find it, absent a call for imminent lawless action or other specific exception to the first amendment. If Trump some day crosses the line into unprotected speech, the relevant evidence will be him crossing the line, not previous or future incidents in which he did not do so. There are plenty of lawyers with relevant subject matter experience. If Trump engages in something even close to non-protected speech, we will not lack for qualified people to let us know. We will not need to guess it for ourselves.
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Sep 23, 2022 21:49
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Marginalized communities have been spied on, harassed and otherwise had their rights violated for far less. Especially if they are leftist.
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Sep 23, 2022 22:08
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Sir Kodiak posted:It is protected speech to promote a violent conspiracy theory, no matter how noxious you or I might find it, absent a call for imminent lawless action or other specific exception to the first amendment. If Trump some day crosses the line into unprotected speech, the relevant evidence will be him crossing the line, not previous or future incidents in which he did not do so. So Trump can only get in trouble for the speech that crosses the line, but can no one point to the months of similar speeches leading up to that moment as way of establishing a pattern of guilt? Of a downward slide of acceptability until his speech does what it is inevitably designed to do?
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Sep 23, 2022 22:21
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Class3KillStorm posted:So Trump can only get in trouble for the speech that crosses the line, but can no one point to the months of similar speeches leading up to that moment as way of establishing a pattern of guilt? Of a downward slide of acceptability until his speech does what it is inevitably designed to do? Speech that doesn't cross the line is legal and not legally considered incitement. You can't establish a pattern of incitement by pointing to things that aren't incitement, and you can't establish a pattern of guilt by pointing to things that aren't crimes.
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Sep 23, 2022 22:46
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Class3KillStorm posted:So Trump can only get in trouble for the speech that crosses the line, but can no one point to the months of similar speeches leading up to that moment as way of establishing a pattern of guilt? Of a downward slide of acceptability until his speech does what it is inevitably designed to do? If the speeches previous to him crossing the line are protected, they're not a pattern of guilt. An incitement of imminent, unlawful activity would be proven by establishing that incitement. A downward slide from legal behavior to illegal behavior does not make the legal behavior suddenly illegal. Trump pumping up Q is noxious. But casting about for ways in which it might be illegal doesn't seem productive. Cranappleberry posted:Marginalized communities have been spied on, harassed and otherwise had their rights violated for far less. True enough. I am doubtful that Trump is going to be subject to this, though.
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Sep 23, 2022 22:47
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SalTheBard posted:Q is the worst thing ever and I loving hate it even exists I've heard that the internet makes you stupid. I don't recall where.
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https://twitter.com/peterschorschfl/status/1573408007064633345?s=46&t=FD9GlBRmMCTPYgJoJ2tAyg DeSantis goons dropping like flies.
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davecrazy posted:https://twitter.com/peterschorschfl/status/1573408007064633345?s=46&t=FD9GlBRmMCTPYgJoJ2tAyg
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FlamingLiberal posted:This guy was in charge of the ‘election integrity office’ which you can take a guess what that’s about Upholding the ... integrity of ... elections? *usage of the word integrity varies between individuals and may in this case refer solely to the integrity of conservative electoral noncompetitiveness schemes and/or dogwhistles designed to derive turnout among racists and ethnonationalists. side effects include autocratic or regulatory capture, fascist parallels, or fatal heart attacks. integrity may not be for everyone. consult your doctor before using integrity
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Sep 24, 2022 01:09
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poo poo. The Deep State strikes again?
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Sep 24, 2022 01:47
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lol if DeSantis found a death note and gets caught because he keeps using the default kill. christ atleast do it like Russia and just always do something with windows.
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Sep 24, 2022 02:24
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Arizona banned almost all abortions under a law from 1864 https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1573484888447131670
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Sep 24, 2022 04:27
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James Garfield posted:Arizona banned almost all abortions under a law from 1864 Congratulations Governor Hobbs (D) of Arizona!
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Sep 24, 2022 04:33
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Morrow posted:Congratulations Governor Hobbs (D) of Arizona! Editing my post so I don't get probated. Congratulations to the Democratic Party for having control of the House, Senate, and Executive and the progress they have made in this timeframe. sleep with the vicious fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Sep 24, 2022 |
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Sep 24, 2022 05:08
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Morrow posted:Congratulations Governor Hobbs (D) of Arizona! Yeah, probably not. Hobbs has been doing everything possible to avoid actively campaigning it seems; she refused a debate, and also has minimum media presence so far here. Honestly, compared to 2018 and 2020, I've seen far more pro-GOP signs/billboards/etc., then Democratic-supporting publicity. It honestly seems like the AZ Dem party thinks that they'll cruise to victory solely because the AZ GOP nominated a bunch of far right, crazy Trump'ers, and that they don't have to put much work into the mid-terms. If the election were held today, I'm pretty confidence Kari Lake would win.
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PhazonLink posted:lol if DeSantis found a death note and gets caught because he keeps using the default kill. christ atleast do it like Russia and just always do something with windows. I'm reminded of an old lil fanfic that I consider canon; he decides to mix it up with 'death by potato chip'
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Sep 24, 2022 08:19
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Regarding trump and incitement. That 60 Minutrs interview from yesterday(?) where the guy happenstance dropped that someone inside the White House, via the White House switchboard, was talking to a Jan 6 rioter on their phone as the riots started… that’s going to be very interesting to see who was on that call. The person being interviewed said they knew the ID of the rioter, but not of the person in the WH. I’m not sure trump was at the WH in that exact time frame between speech and riot, but I won’t be surprised at all when it comes out it was someone in his immediate inner circle. Are those calls all recorded?
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I'd be surprised if anyone's ever actually been charged with incitement without being leftist, anti-racist or maybe the most embarassing kind of racist.
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Cranappleberry posted:I know it invites dispute, but I agree with the posters that say hypocrisy doesn't really matter in reality and this includes justices ruling on which laws/rights apply and to whom.
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Sep 24, 2022 18:29
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The Brett Favre saga is definitely looking worse and worse for him. So apparently he guaranteed his own money to pay for the stadium but then tried to get the state to cover it. Texts have Gov Bryant directly mentioning the federal funds meant for low income families and kids but that basically they can't use it. Then, after repeatedly pressing, Bryant and the president of USM are talking together about how inappropriate his requests are. I think at this point Favre is going to get into actual big trouble for it. This seems to be coming from Bryant trying to throw him under the bus a bit... But I mean ultimately he did receive the funds so I'm guessing he's not clean either. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34656657/brett-favre-pressed-facility-funding-being-told-legality-question-court-filing-says
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No, Bryant is also in deep poo poo because he apparently took shares in some company Favre was involved with in exchange for doing this stadium deal, according to texts
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FlamingLiberal posted:No, Bryant is also in deep poo poo because he apparently took shares in some company Favre was involved with in exchange for doing this stadium deal, according to texts Oh no I know that. I said this latest release of texts came from Bryant himself trying to throw Favre under the bus. I mean Bryant is also guilty too. For anyone else this is a great narrative rundown of the whole thing so far : https://mississippitoday.org/2022/09/24/phil-bryant-brett-favre-welfare-volleyball/ Also Bryant is desperately trying to ask that the rest of the texts not be released to the public bc of how damaging they are. That's part of why he released the latest batch as well.
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A pair of really interesting polls catching attention right now: First, we have what people are hearing out of messaging: https://mobile.twitter.com/aedwardslevy/status/1574055846501310464 Followed by what people consider most important: https://mobile.twitter.com/EmGusk/status/1573886721091059712 As additional background, we're starting to see more aggregates putting House control within the margin of error come November
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