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Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -
Now this here Yamaha they posted yesterday: I would extremely gently caress with this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ChZ7RiiOH7M/

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Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Duke Chin posted:

god i haaaaaaaaaaaaaaated that style of tom mount.

still do.

Never not gonna.

They called them Floating Rims or something. I guess the idea is that you'd get more .....whatever, of your or tom or snare.


Duke Chin posted:

Now this here Yamaha they posted yesterday: I would extremely gently caress with this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ChZ7RiiOH7M/

Hell yeah, son. It almost looks like the kit the guy in Stryper used back in the day.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

Duke Chin posted:

Now this here Yamaha they posted yesterday: I would extremely gently caress with this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/ChZ7RiiOH7M/

Yamaha posted:

This color is officially called Mellow Yellow.

Hell yeah it is :colbert: Looking for one for my 60s doowop cover band The Banana Splits.

Hawkperson
Jun 20, 2003

Just wanted to update y’all that I’ve officially met my kiddos and we’ve started drumming and that they’re the best class :3: I apologize for my prejudice as I had just assumed 35 drummers would be uh, a lot in many ways lmao but in actuality they are chill af, bright, and quick learners.

We’ve been mostly on pads so far but today we pulled out the toms only from the sets and talked about playing “real” drums and pretty much every single kid left class today going “I love this class” even though we played all of two notes before having to pack up haha

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Is there a guide for setting up the AKAI Pro MPD226 with Logic Pro 10? I found this https://www.akaipro.com/amfile/file/download/file/598/product/61/ but it looks like its for a much earlier version of Logic Pro and so it didn't help me. I am very brand new to Logic Pro, and using drum pads. So I need someone who can help walk me through this like I am a dumb baby.

[edit]
Or I can probably just make a track in the included software and import into logic pro? Maybe I shouldnt figure out complicated hardware that I am brand new to at 1am.

I said come in! fucked around with this message at 09:12 on Aug 24, 2022

Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -

Bonzo posted:

They called them Floating Rims or something. I guess the idea is that you'd get more .....whatever, of your or tom or snare.

Oh sorry not the actual mount to the Tom so much as the adjustable bits behind them. The ancient pearl style arm. :barf:

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Duke Chin posted:

Oh sorry not the actual mount to the Tom so much as the adjustable bits behind them. The ancient pearl style arm. :barf:

Triggered

Speaking of triggering, I love this video of Neil Peart at a clinic in 1992. Good example of what top electronic drum technology was like, but that retro sound is back. I'd love to have this setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DXnd-B-t6s&t=1911s

I wonder how many of those pads he went through, based on how hard he hits. The original Simmons drums had flaw where if you consecutively hit the pad in dead center, the force of stick impacts would break an electronic component.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
Heel up. Heel way up. I'd like to try that sometime but I'm 6'2 and I don't think my throne even goes up that high. Ah well, I've been working on getting more movement out of my ankle anyway but it still feels pretty awkward at higher speeds.

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


I said come in! posted:

Is there a guide for setting up the AKAI Pro MPD226 with Logic Pro 10? I found this https://www.akaipro.com/amfile/file/download/file/598/product/61/ but it looks like its for a much earlier version of Logic Pro and so it didn't help me. I am very brand new to Logic Pro, and using drum pads. So I need someone who can help walk me through this like I am a dumb baby.

[edit]
Or I can probably just make a track in the included software and import into logic pro? Maybe I shouldnt figure out complicated hardware that I am brand new to at 1am.

I have an AKAI MPC 1000 and I have just spent some fun times setting things up for finger drumming in Ableton Live. The basics should be applicable to your situation too, because in the end the AKAI is a pad MIDI controller and Live/Logic will receive the MIDI and play some nice drum sounds.

First on the AKAI side, find out what MIDI the pads are sending. For the MPC1000, the first 16 pads are chromatic starting from C1 (note 36). You will want to set up your drum kit or sampler to correspond to that. (If you don't have software for monitoring MIDI messages then now is the time to find some for your OS)

Second, the layout part is kind of important for finger drumming I guess. Just like on a traditional drum kit you want your bass drums, snares and all that to be in a regular place so you can practice and build up muscle memory. Here is a tutorial that shows a nice starting layout for pads: https://questforgroove.com/basic-finger-drumming-technique-pad-layout/

In Ableton Live, I just set up some drum racks to receive my pad messages and I did some repitching of incoming MIDI so that I could select my preferred sounds, but this part is not helpful for you. For Logic Pro X I would honestly just go through some YouTube tutorials that talk about this, it should be way way way way more up to date than any documentation on the AKAI website. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8zL4rl3ahQ

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Takes No Damage posted:

Heel up. Heel way up. I'd like to try that sometime but I'm 6'2 and I don't think my throne even goes up that high. Ah well, I've been working on getting more movement out of my ankle anyway but it still feels pretty awkward at higher speeds.

Look how high the hihat stand is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbXv83xt2Ag

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

High drum throne is where it's at. don't want to have to work against gravity more than necessary.

I also teeth drum and have done it for as long as I can remember.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
I've heard a couple of insanely fast metal drummers say they swear by a heel-down technique and I literally cannot wrap my head around it. In the past when I was really drumming, I could not achieve any stamina at speed even when heel up, but down was unquestionably slower. What are these warlocks doing?

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

Mister Speaker posted:

What are these warlocks doing?

Close...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR_rPd_ufK4

Hawkperson
Jun 20, 2003

Weird specific question but any hi hat cymbals I could buy either 1) easily in bulk or 2) easily off Amazon? That don’t suck rear end lol. We are playing the ones that came with our sets though so literally anything would be an improvement.

Jazz Marimba
Jan 4, 2012

Hawkperson posted:

Weird specific question but any hi hat cymbals I could buy either 1) easily in bulk or 2) easily off Amazon? That don’t suck rear end lol. We are playing the ones that came with our sets though so literally anything would be an improvement.

depends on your budget, but zildjian, sabian, and paiste all have have b80 (entry level) cymbals, or you could go a step up and get something zildjian A (not A custom)

since you’re buying in bulk and for your school, try emailing their representatives and asking if you can get a bulk and/or education discount

taters
Jun 13, 2005

DW confirms they've sold to Roland today.

https://www.dwdrums.com/roland

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/We-got-the-beat-Roland-buys-Drum-Workshop-in-65m-deal

For newer drummers this is essentially the world's most high end electronic drum maker buyer the worlds most high end acoustic drum maker. All the major drum makers have a top shelf model of some sort but for DW its their main focus. Their more affordable stuff is under different badges. I'm not much of an e-drummer but many pros had already been combining their products; DW even made shells that you could slide the Roland drums into so they would all match. Rumor was DW was close to releasing their own e-drum offerings and Roland was proactively defending their throne. This will also open up more market access in Japan for DW but actual sales will need to be fought for; Japan is dominated by their own makers, specifically Yamaha. I'm told Pearl leads in traditional percussion like kodo drums but I don't know enough to verify that.

DWs drums are great, I just can't afford them. I have one of their high hat stands though and its fantastic; the adjustable spring tension is a must have for me now and cant imagine going without it. The two leg style as well is such a space saver.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
I saw that today and I had no idea that Roland also owns Gretsch Drums and LP.

DW as always been high end and (afaik) never sold kits, just individual drums. They are high quality and expensive as hell though. I have been using a DW 5000 double pedal for over 20 years (replaced them 3 times over decades) and love their hardware.

Pearl does a lot with marching bands and drum corps so I think they're safe there. They always tried to get into electronics drums, even going back to the 80s, but could never really come up with anything that was successful.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
SONOR gang

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xm5DMQukgY

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
I didn't know they made rototoms that big. Kind of a bizarre kit that probably doesn't sound very good, but eh, that's that guy's baby. "You gotta find your like... gigantic drum set, man."

Reminds me how I was thinking the other day about the weird popularity of concert toms (toms without resonant heads) in the 1970s. Why? Who thought that sounded good, was it around the same time that every recording engineer was going nuts with close mics and nothing else? Do they bleed or resonate less live, or something? Don't get me wrong, concert toms can sound cool in certain applications but you need real toms with real reso heads.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
^^^
Also makes it easier to tour/gig because you can just nest all your drums Russian doll style.


If you're gonna drum prog go big or go home IMO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOeoxANHa0c

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Yeah I used to play without resos purely so I could fit my rack tom inside my floor tom inside my bass drum inside my car.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
This drummer is Amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52CZVfiiMpY

Around 10:00 it gets fun

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


Bonzo posted:

This drummer is Amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52CZVfiiMpY

Around 10:00 it gets fun

I saw them open for jack white and I absolutely can not wrap my pasty western musical theory brain around these rhythms, let alone play something like this on a kit. Eventually I will figure it out and it will make me stronger.
Their live energy was really good too.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
I'm not even sure if there's a time signature. As soon as I think I've got it the drummer will come in slightly behind the beat or add an extra 16th rest and I loose it again.

taters
Jun 13, 2005

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taters fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 15, 2023

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Thank you for posting all of that. I can read time signatures well but was never good at hearing the more complex ones.

In addition to all studio stuff, Genesis had a session one day, someone hit a button and a drum at the same time and it changed everything

https://www.musicradar.com/features/how-genesis-peter-gabriel-and-phil-collins-stumbled-upon-the-80s-gated-reverb-drum-sound

+1 for Wrecking Crew and this is a perfect companion to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auGUm2r0cLs

Bonzo fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Oct 18, 2022

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


The Wrecking Crew and Muscle Shoals are both god-tier music docs.

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005

sebzilla posted:

Do any of the fine posters in this thread use their teeth to drum? I'm not talking about holding the sticks, I'm talking about making weird little mouth noises to yourself by grinding and clacking them in a drum-like fashion while you're going about your daily business.

I ask because I've done it for as long as I can remember and my partner thinks it's weird, and then I read today in Dave Grohl's autobiography that he does it too and apparently the only other person he's known do it was Kurt Cobain. But I reckon it's got to be more common than that (and to be honest he probably hasn't asked that many people.)

haha my god, i thought i was the only one!

Im sure my dentist is like "wth is up with this wear?"

DonnyTrump
Apr 24, 2010

ROFLBOT posted:

haha my god, i thought i was the only one!

Im sure my dentist is like "wth is up with this wear?"

I never really thought about this but it turns out I do this pretty well constantly lol. Turns out the right side of my jaw is the bass drum and left is the snare…

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


DonnyTrump posted:

I never really thought about this but it turns out I do this pretty well constantly lol. Turns out the right side of my jaw is the bass drum and left is the snare…

Same. I wonder if lefty drummers also mouth-drum the other way round?

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



I'm looking at Ableton lite as my primary DAW and I want a controller pad to pair with it. I'm interested in finger drumming, step sequencing, and sampling. I have some vst packs that I'm hoping I can map some Kvlt drums vsts from Ugritone to the controller as well.

The Push 2 looks cool but it's a tad expensive. Any other recommendations that won't break the bank?

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005

DonnyTrump posted:

Turns out the right side of my jaw is the bass drum and left is the snare…

Yup! up/down biting motion for bass, sliding motion for snare

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



I ended up getting the Launchpad X. I hope I like it!

Colonel J
Jan 3, 2008


I love these used drum ads with weird setups.

I Might Be Adam
Jun 12, 2007

Skip the Waves, Syncopate
Forwards Backwards

Those rack toms looking like the splinter cell night vision goggles

Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -
^^^ lol :agreed:

Colonel J posted:



I love these used drum ads with weird setups.

The Dent-Your-Drumheads Special!

AndrewP
Apr 21, 2010

I remember getting my first used drum set as a kid and noticing the heads had deep dents in them. Eventually I realized whoever the previous owner was must have literally been stabbing the heads with a stick to cause them. :wtf:

I still remember how awful that kit sounded with those lovely untuned stock heads.

I Might Be Adam
Jun 12, 2007

Skip the Waves, Syncopate
Forwards Backwards

lovely stock heads is a right of passage for every drummer playing on someone else's drum set that isn't a drummer. If you keep tightening them, they'll eventually start to sound good, right? lovely stock heads often follow the phrase "oh we have a kit here you can use"

*shudders*

I Might Be Adam fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Dec 15, 2022

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FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

I Might Be Adam posted:

If you keep dampening them, they'll eventually start to sound good, right?

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