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yes yes you've left your grumbly whiner opinion, we get it
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Oct 10, 2022 08:51
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the only Magic youtube persons i really actively like are Brewer's Kitchen and Nizzahon. the former because he's just hilarious and silly, and the latter because he never tries to be funny or entertaining, just informative
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Oct 10, 2022 09:55
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I’m watching some Brewer’s Kitchen for the first time and drat, you’re right, these are good as hell. Very well edited, too.
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Oct 10, 2022 13:13
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flatluigi posted:i don't really give a poo poo about that person personally but i'm kind of tired of every youtube video that gets posted in here getting met with some level of hostility there's a very simple explanation for that: most MTG YouTubers are really bad. and even if they're good, the lovely thumbnails prime people to hate them before they even click play
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Oct 10, 2022 14:23
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Jim Davis does suck to listen to also he’s bad at the card game of magic the gathering. I’m hostile to him
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Oct 10, 2022 14:54
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I like watching Nummy, he's good at limited and fun to watch BoshNRoll is good too that's all the video content I watch.
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Oct 10, 2022 15:17
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quote:Announcement Date: October 10, 2022 https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/october-10-2022-banned-and-restricted-announcement
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Oct 10, 2022 16:04
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Am i getting 4 mythic wildcards then? 
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Oct 10, 2022 16:06
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youre literally braindead if you dont put bankbuster in your deck and fable is so ubiquitous people splash red for it alone but hyeah lets ban the card at random not even all black decks play for reasons we cant even articulate
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Oct 10, 2022 16:09
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kalel posted:most MTG YouTubers are really bad Yeah, the only ones I watch anymore cover eternal formats on mtgo (despite only playing Arena myself). I guess that makes it niche enough of an audience that they don't feel compelled to do wacky personalities and/or obvious clickbait all the time.
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Oct 10, 2022 16:12
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40 lbs to freedom posted:youre literally braindead if you dont put bankbuster in your deck and fable is so ubiquitous people splash red for it alone but hyeah lets ban the card at random not even all black decks play for reasons we cant even articulate i thought their reasoning in the article was fine? it's still played a lot and it's made playing any small creature deck over the last year hell. still gotta fear farewell but at least you're not actively hosed if you want to play tokens anymore i think fable is annoying but i think it's going to be less of an issue with meathook gone, since people will be incentivized to play more decks with smaller creatures and that'll make maindecking more direct/single-target removal for small creatures more reasonable. bankbuster is a solid card but i think it's silly to call it bannable
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Oct 10, 2022 16:18
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So craft meathook (I just did) and don't craft Yorion since it's only a modern ban right?
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Oct 10, 2022 16:19
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Algid posted:So craft meathook (I just did) and don't craft Yorion since it's only a modern ban right? yeah, you don't get wildcard refunds for bans for formats that aren't on arena.
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Oct 10, 2022 16:22
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40 lbs to freedom posted:youre literally braindead if you dont put bankbuster in your deck and fable is so ubiquitous people splash red for it alone but hyeah lets ban the card at random not even all black decks play for reasons we cant even articulate I have a feeling they're expecting at least one major archetype from Brothers' War to be token generation - which makes sense for an artifact heavy set. This feels like a preemptive ban more than anything (though agreed, Fable was probably the only card in Standard worth banning right now). Algid posted:So craft meathook (I just did) and don't craft Yorion since it's only a modern ban right? Yes, craft Meathooks. Don't craft Yorions for WCs.
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Oct 10, 2022 16:23
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okay bannning Meathook is stupid as gently caress. Blood on the Snow rotated out so i guess the answer to aggro is "more aggro" or "run Red or White"? BotS is not the card that's making Black oppressive lmao. last night i played against someone who successfully won by just casting bad Commons. that's why people don't like Black. hand disruption is just too good right now
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Oct 10, 2022 16:24
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I'm not going to miss meathook
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Oct 10, 2022 16:38
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I'm not going to miss Meathook either but I feel that's a weird ban. EDIT: I wish they had banned Paradox Engine in Historic Brawl SalTheBard fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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Oct 10, 2022 16:42
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i get the reasoning that maybe banning Invoke or something was punishing Black too narrowly, but Meathook is still a dumb ban when Black just had a sweeper rotate out
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Oct 10, 2022 16:47
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precision posted:i get the reasoning that maybe banning Invoke or something was punishing Black too narrowly, but Meathook is still a dumb ban when Black just had a sweeper rotate out meathook isn't just a sweeper, it also makes restabilizing after getting swept much harder because of the permanent incidental life gain/loss i do think that if it's true that their metrics say that most black cards are around the same power level and there's no real spike across the board (which, anecdotally, i agree with) that meathook getting bopped has the highest likelihood of getting less played archetypes back into the meta
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Oct 10, 2022 16:52
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lol, i played one game of the archetype thing as timmy. on the draw, gishath and vivien in hand. oppo shits his hand but doesn't do much. drop vivien and +1, hit the non-dragon board wipe creature, play gishath, hit for 7 and drop a pile of dinos. gg i feel like i pretty much got the full experience
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Oct 10, 2022 17:01
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I haven't been playing a ton but I really don't get the ban. Black's strong but it's a fun, challenging adversary.
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Oct 10, 2022 17:04
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flatluigi posted:i thought their reasoning in the article was fine? it's still played a lot and it's made playing any small creature deck over the last year hell. still gotta fear farewell but at least you're not actively hosed if you want to play tokens anymore i think there are plenty of other reasons why aggro sucks rear end right now with meathook being like #9 on the list and banning it just makes problematic cards in the format even more problematic. idk what world youre living in where you think this will make fable worse do you feel good using a whole card to remove a fable token? do you tihink wedding announcement and wandering emperor needed to be even stronger than they already are? single target removal has never seemed worse as long as ive been on arena (graveyard trespasser sanctuary warden titan of industry ao etc etc) and i dont think lacking meathook makes it any better?? also the only good single removal is infernal grasp which is also still black anways????????
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Oct 10, 2022 17:11
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Gonna spend my free wildcards on Zur jank. Also with meathook gone just splash a single white mana and cleavecast Path of Peril.
Horace Kinch fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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Oct 10, 2022 17:16
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40 lbs to freedom posted:i think there are plenty of other reasons why aggro sucks rear end right now with meathook being like #9 on the list and banning it just makes problematic cards in the format even more problematic. idk what world youre living in where you think this will make fable worse do you feel good using a whole card to remove a fable token? do you tihink wedding announcement and wandering emperor needed to be even stronger than they already are? single target removal has never seemed worse as long as ive been on arena (graveyard trespasser sanctuary warden titan of industry ao etc etc) and i dont think lacking meathook makes it any better?? also the only good single removal is infernal grasp which is also still black anways???????? i know sometimes i feel like people are playing a completely different meta than me when they post about cards they dislike but i don't know if i've felt that more strongly recently than right now. i think you and i have completely different reads on what cards are issues in the format and even what cards see much play overall
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Oct 10, 2022 17:27
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40 lbs to freedom posted:i think there are plenty of other reasons why aggro sucks rear end right now with meathook being like #9 on the list and banning it just makes problematic cards in the format even more problematic. idk what world youre living in where you think this will make fable worse do you feel good using a whole card to remove a fable token? do you tihink wedding announcement and wandering emperor needed to be even stronger than they already are? single target removal has never seemed worse as long as ive been on arena (graveyard trespasser sanctuary warden titan of industry ao etc etc) and i dont think lacking meathook makes it any better?? also the only good single removal is infernal grasp which is also still black anways???????? what are the first 8 reasons?
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Oct 10, 2022 17:52
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If meathook is banned, does path of peril become a playable card?
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Oct 10, 2022 17:56
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jim davis soundboard: "look at how they massacred my boy"
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Oct 10, 2022 18:08
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I have seen a lot of the other three cards but I don't think I've seen Ao in standard lol
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Oct 10, 2022 18:09
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Whooping Crabs posted:If meathook is banned, does path of peril become a playable card? the meta have to shift a bit before it would be. it is certainly possible with meathook gone but right now the black only mode isnt hitting all that much.
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Oct 10, 2022 18:18
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Yeah path of peril can come in as a sweeper but meathook was exceedingly good at board clear, stabilizer and win con. Every removal spell after it lands just makes the hole for agro to dig itself out from deeper. It's like invoke despair or t3feri or Uro it does one thing too many on a card that would have been played without it
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Oct 10, 2022 18:19
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Whooping Crabs posted:If meathook is banned, does path of peril become a playable card? nah, i think it's much more likely that you see depopulate and more farewells than path of peril. not being able to hit 3+ mana creatures until you're at 6 mana is a huge downside, and at 6 you'd much rather have all the modes that farewell gets you i'd even think you'd see vanquish the horde first.
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Oct 10, 2022 18:27
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Bye hook. Maybe monored aggro could work now.
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Oct 10, 2022 19:34
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Meathook ban is good and opens the door to really shake up the meta. Invoke gets significantly worse in a go-wide meta and not being able to fire off meathook to wipe up mirror breaker/wedding annoucement tokens or other go wide strats is going to give breathing room for both aggro. Similarly, it indirectly impacts Liliana by making it harder to keep her alive rather than just sweeping the small stuff, keep your sheoldred, and dropping Liliana in the same turn.CharlieFoxtrot posted:I have seen a lot of the other three cards but I don't think I've seen Ao in standard lol I'm playing it in my very mid esper legends deck, but the deck is not good.
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Oct 10, 2022 19:37
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Good to see Intrepid Adversary unbanned with Meathook gone. King Darius the Extra Large also becomes a card I will think about.
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Oct 10, 2022 19:40
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precision posted:okay bannning Meathook is stupid as gently caress. Blood on the Snow rotated out so i guess the answer to aggro is "more aggro" or "run Red or White"? yeah black's power level has been really high recently. nothing really stands out as a problem but they're all extremely good value: hook, trespasser, Lili, invoke despair, sheoldred, sorin, underdog, evolved sleeper. not to mention lolth, deadly dispute, blood on the snow, eye twitch, and shambling ghast forming the core of last year's post-rotation mono black deck
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Oct 10, 2022 19:44
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if banning meathook changes anything at all ill come in this thread with my hand up and be the first to say im dumb and wrong but i dont think itll do anytbjng to make any of these bxx midrange decks any less godlike or make any of the aggro creatures any less bad .
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Oct 10, 2022 20:03
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With hook gone I could see WR agro being more of a thing. It's a deck with nice reach and with less cheap lifegain on a sweeper it might be able to close out a game against black midrange, but it just needs the card draw it lost when showdown of the skalds rotated.
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Oct 10, 2022 21:15
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40 lbs to freedom posted:i think there are plenty of other reasons why aggro sucks rear end right now with meathook being like #9 on the list After 300 games of aggro I can confirm that Meathook is at least #2 on the list. Every other common problem I've had can be dealt with burn cards or dmg in some way, except for white's depopulate thespaceinvader posted:Bye hook. It worked pretty well last month, I had a 65% win rate to Mythic. And I wouldn't even consider myself great at playing. Should be even better now but I've been playing a lot more white decks with depopulate than I did in September. goodness fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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Oct 10, 2022 21:31
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is there a burn spell in standard right now good enough to deal with sheoldred? because while meathook was a problem for aggro decks, sheoldred is a big fat brick wall for monored aggro.
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Oct 10, 2022 21:39
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Captain Invictus posted:is there a burn spell in standard right now good enough to deal with sheoldred? because while meathook was a problem for aggro decks, sheoldred is a big fat brick wall for monored aggro. Rending Flame gets you 5 damage at instant speed for 2R. It was in a gruul aggro list I found online and I'm sure is for Sheoldred
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