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emanresu tnuocca posted:Okay so I'm only 4 minutes in, this is an Israel\Palestine episode? I don't think so? At least I don't really manage to see the parallels. In your interpretation, are Israelis the dinosaurs And the Palestinians the humans? Because no, that is absolutely not what happens in this episode.
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Cojawfee posted:If I was forced to over-analyze what I thought the message was here, I'd say this was a message about not having absolute tolerance. The dinosaurs are leftists, the rock monsters are fascists, and Rick is some sort of self-insert, mary sue libertarian who has reached enlightenment and will tell everyone the true path. The leftists want to help everyone, make everything nice, and let people exist in the best possible state. They accept that the fascists will kill them, because that's what the fascists' existence is. The fascists are fascists and want to destroy anything not fascist, not really any layers you can have there. And then Rick points out that you can't have absolute tolerance where anyone and everyone is accepted for who they are and just does whatever, because that ends with the fascists killing everyone. So he forces the leftists to get violent to save themselves. I can see why libertarians love Rick and this show in general. But gently caress this nihilistic bullshit. gently caress the idea that trying to make the world better is just something that virtue signaling libtards do.  This was shown to be the good ending. They could have destroyed the meteors and kept the dinosaurs around and lived in gay space communism, but instead somethingsomething leftism causes fascism (see rick's chart and speech on stage where he directly says this) and that's why libertarianism is the one true path edit: noted, that stinger was great. i'm much more interested in wacky jokes & roiland making funny voices than i am harmon's political commentary XboxPants fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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Oct 10, 2022 10:50
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I liked how the presentation bot was stoked to present, neat reversal of the butter passing bot.
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Oct 10, 2022 11:08
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eh i think the joke was the dinos were just...not funny and passive aggressive to rick. reminded me of when the federation ran earth. maybe have space beth get weird about the dinos.
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Oct 10, 2022 12:02
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good to see the "rick's on the wagon" theory is sead
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I mean humanity could easily continue to steward the planet after the dinosaurs left. Or they could've just smashed up or redirected the meteor and then carried on. There were options. If the episode of the message was some kind of cutting commentary on the paradox of tolerance being stupid... well duh yeah. Literally nobody was ever stumped by that. Do one about voters being stupid, or not liking the health inspector next.
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Oct 10, 2022 12:45
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I mean humanity could easily continue to steward the planet after the dinosaurs left. Or they could've just smashed up or redirected the meteor and then carried on. There were options. They also had a magical teleport, and a completely separate portal device. There were options to handle the issue in the most literal sense (though they really wanted to make a specific allegorical point, and so dropped those literal plot solutions). Zulily Zoetrope posted:If the episode of the message was some kind of cutting commentary on the paradox of tolerance being stupid... well duh yeah. Literally nobody was ever stumped by that. Do one about voters being stupid, or not liking the health inspector next. It also had some dumb parable about fascism inevitably emerging in response to socialism (accompanied by a visual aid thwt was either a weird accident, or a very stupid representation of the political quadrant diagram), and a bunch of other stuff that didn't make sense about what a post scarcity society would look like. I didn't think this was very well considered.
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Open Source Idiom posted:It also had some dumb parable about fascism inevitably emerging in response to socialism (accompanied by a visual aid thwt was either a weird accident, or a very stupid representation of the political quadrant diagram), and a bunch of other stuff that didn't make sense about what a post scarcity society would look like. I didn't think this was very well considered. eh I am gonna say they were so lazy they didnt even get to that part. Aliens come, only twist they arent aliens they are dinosaurs, and they wonder why apes are doing everything....oh and also they are like super advanced and start running things and its perfect and rick is okay with it but the president isnt and wants rick to stop the dinosours but rick just want to sell him molly, oh rick wants to do the oscars, also the super cool dinos are like super helpful to rick and piss him off but also the real twist they are like totally radical 90s skate boarders. lawn mower dog did parables better. this was just throwing poo poo at the wall, and or sausage episode. That colony of face huger episode had better parable.
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The face hugger episode was also really weird because it had a whole first act about how cool and morally uncompromising it was to 9/11 their pearl harbor because they were evil, except they all had host bodies who weren't face huggers and we had already demonstrated that the host could be released by simply removing the face hugger. guys i don't think harmon and roiland put a lot of thought into their allegory
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Oct 10, 2022 14:31
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maybe the point was to make the episode where portals and the giant rift are both fixed as uninteresting as possible
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:guys i don't think harmon and roiland put a lot of thought into their allegory Deconstructing an episode of this show almost feels like a forensic/archaeological process where you're trying to figure out which scene was the original gag concept which was the basis for the episode which they had to flesh out into a complete storyline, which scenes were secondary gags feeding off the first one, and which scenes were tacked on as last minute connective tissue to pull all the elements together into a cohesive whole. In this one I got the strong impression that the writers room sat around for a bit asking "But WHY do the asteroids want to kill the dinosaurs??" and then "But how/why does Rick convince them to not accept their inevitable death and instead fight the asteroid?" Also I strongly suspect the whole thing was inspired by this old PBF comic strip: 
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Oct 10, 2022 14:43
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I sort of think it started off as "asteroids just really fuckin' hate dinosaurs" and they built it up from there. As the person who said they liked Roiland making the funny voices, I can totally see it starting with his growls and screams of a hate-filled asteroid and the rest of the writer's room bouncing that between them.
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I mean, you can literally see the projection going on in these takes. Myself, I'm currently projecting my own personal theory that the dinosaurs were the Democrats in the cool-down after Obama took a few asteroids to the face. Where the lead dinos are Hilary Clinton (lol, start a thread already), Tom Daschle, and Jimmy Carter. And the asteroids were sent by Roger Ailes. Wow, hay google define "on the nose". SpeakSlow fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Oct 10, 2022 |
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SpeakSlow posted:I mean, you can literally see the projection going on in these takes. Yes, when I start off each thought with "I got the impression" and "I strongly suspect" that's an indication that it's just a take, congratz you cracked the code
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SpeakSlow posted:I mean, you can literally see the projection going on in these takes. the dinos are way too competent & effective to be democrats 
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Oct 10, 2022 15:28
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Callback to Gazorpazorp, or just giant space baby?
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Oct 10, 2022 15:43
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And now they're going on hiatus until November 20th 
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Oct 10, 2022 16:22
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I loved this episode, but the funniest joke to me was Rick throwing the rock at the dino's spaceship, it slowly flying through the air to hit the spaceship, and then the ship slamming on the breaks and reversing. Also I loved the stupid meteorite creature just making garbly nonsense noises as it hurtled toward the dinosaurs
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yes, when I start off each thought with "I got the impression" and "I strongly suspect" that's an indication that it's just a take, congratz you cracked the code Be calm good sir. I come in Peace.
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Oct 10, 2022 17:31
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Show needs to take a break while Dan and Justin blow off some steam at a family reunion.
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Oct 10, 2022 18:18
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Despite there only being three lead dinos, l got strange Golden Girls vibes from them and I have no idea why.
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Oct 10, 2022 19:21
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I think Dan Harmon thinks very, very highly of the Golden Girls so whether it's intended or not I'm sure that bleeds through sometimes.
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jokes posted:I think Dan Harmon thinks very, very highly of the Golden Girls What kind of lunatic wouldn't
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remember the mink farm they were running in their garage? or the dude from the first episode who disappeared without explanation? dan had a lot to say about these things, iirc from harmontown
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I'm pretty sure this was just an "a bunch of stuff happens" episode and trying to read a deeper political message into it is kind of like an inkblot test. Sure you might see something, but whatever you're seeing is just your own interpretation rather than anything intended, and many other radically different interpretations can be drawn from the same information.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I'm pretty sure this was just an "a bunch of stuff happens" episode and trying to read a deeper political message into it is kind of like an inkblot test. Sure you might see something, but whatever you're seeing is just your own interpretation rather than anything intended, and many other radically different interpretations can be drawn from the same information. I think they shouldn't have had Rick used the phrase "virtue signaling" because it sets off alarm bells in a lot of people's heads and invites you to start scouring it for political meaning.
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Don't worry, no one can make you agree with the message that is obviously there.
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Clearly this episode broke a few people's brains and they should go back to episodes about incest.
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Just Chamber posted:Clearly this episode broke a few people's brains and they should go back to episodes about incest. 
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From Incest to Political Dinosaurs: The Dan Harmon Story
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Just Chamber posted:Clearly this episode broke a few people's brains and they should go back to episodes about incest. Plot twist, those three dinosaurs were all related
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PostNouveau posted:I think they shouldn't have had Rick used the phrase "virtue signaling" because it sets off alarm bells in a lot of people's heads and invites you to start scouring it for political meaning. I guess? But he wasn't even right about that, they weren't virtue signaling they genuinely were trying to do what they thought was right. Rick was just being a dick to them because he was projecting his insecurity at them immediately fixing the portal gun he was procrastinating on repairing. Then, later, Rick also does what he genuinely believes to be the right thing because he feels guilty that his dickishness drove a sentient species to attempt mass suicide. And...that's about it. Again, it has a very strong "a bunch of stuff happens" tone. Harold Fjord posted:Don't worry, no one can make you agree with the message that is obviously there. I have no idea what that message is, so I guess you're right that I can't agree (or disagree) with it? You could say it was about socialism, colonialism, the human need for purpose in an inherently meaningless world, fascism, the flaws and virtues of altruism, and a whole host of other things but I don't think any of those alleged themes hold up under scrutiny.
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Just Chamber posted:Clearly this episode broke a few people's brains and they should go back to episodes about incest. And incest still gets a shoutout in the book page upthread  hatty posted:From Incest to Political Dinosaurs: The Dan Harmon Story I can absolutely see him publishing an autobio under that title.
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Yeah it was very watchable but I'm not sure this episode had anything to say. In fact it felt very anti anyone expecting to learn anything new about Rick, what with the jokes about the Dinosaurs ruining canon and then the end joke about the portal gun being fixed and going back to visiting gag dimensions.
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You see, the dinosaurs are pussies, Rick's a dick, and the Meteor is an rear end in a top hat...
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Does a Rick and Morty episode need to "say something" lol
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Macaluso posted:Does a Rick and Morty episode need to "say something" lol It's probably best if they don't
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Okay so I'm only 4 minutes in, this is an Israel\Palestine episode? lmao
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the best joke of the episode was the dinosaurs reading our list of accomplishments but otherwise not as good as the last few, probably because only 2/3 main dinosaurs were in an incestuous relationship
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Man they had a good opportunity for a Denver the Last Dinosaur reference and they wiffed. I guess I'll have to be satisfied with the biblesaurice reference from the Story Lord episode.
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