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rollick posted:Nobody else above the age of 40 in the top 20. I was going to ask "what about Svidler" but looks like he has been losing a lot of rating lately. Getting old must be tough for the top chess guys.
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i love that rosen’s love of tricky trappy garbage extends to duck chess https://youtu.be/EHPPQO6vRLU
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chess.com may be owned by shitheads but it lets me practice against hyper-aggro chess engine personalities so it is a land of contrasts.
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I can't believe the Play Magnus app was bought for $83 million. I've never used it but isn't it just playing against an engine? Are there really that many people that want to play against bots?
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Tom sold myspace for 580 million dollars so uhh, people are happy to pay way too much for poo poo.
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totalnewbie posted:Tom sold myspace for 580 million dollars so uhh, people are happy to pay way too much for poo poo. Wow, I was friends with the guy for years and never knew he was so loaded.
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Oct 11, 2022 07:20
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qsvui posted:I can't believe the Play Magnus app was bought for $83 million. I've never used it but isn't it just playing against an engine? Are there really that many people that want to play against bots? I was going to say that I enjoyed the puzzles in the app a lot, making it my favourite offline chess app while I was travelling through places with bad internet a few years ago. Then I remembered that that was the other magnus app. And I have never uses Play Magnus.
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Play Magnus is a group that owns other brands like Chess24 and Chessable, which are probably more valuable than the app. e: from Wikipedia, never knew this: quote:Users earn points by playing chess, or can purchase points for money. Points can be spent on querying the engine for move suggestions, and on the undo function (the cost of this is higher at the higher levels). With a large points balance, it used to be possible to win a chance of playing Magnus in person[10] but this is no longer mentioned by the app. I wonder if anyone ever cashed that in
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rollick posted:Play Magnus is a group that owns other brands like Chess24 and Chessable, which are probably more valuable than the app. i think someone recently did and it blew up into some huge drama
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Oct 11, 2022 16:15
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qsvui posted:I can't believe the Play Magnus app was bought for $83 million. I've never used it but isn't it just playing against an engine? Are there really that many people that want to play against bots? I played it on an airplane once because it was built into the in-flight entertainment thing and it was kinda fun playing through it progressively to see what "age" Magnus bot would finally crush me, but I can't imagine wanting to do that more than once.
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I actually think the next frontier of chess AI is to make bots that are actually fun to play. It's getting easier and easier to code a bot that's impossible to beat, but on lichess for example its still n% chance to play top stockfish move and n% chance to play a random move. I think a bot that is trained on a neural model of chess puzzles would be great. It should strive to create puzzles during the game and setup tactics for you to find.
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Salt Fish posted:I actually think the next frontier of chess AI is to make bots that are actually fun to play. It's getting easier and easier to code a bot that's impossible to beat, but on lichess for example its still n% chance to play top stockfish move and n% chance to play a random move. I think a bot that is trained on a neural model of chess puzzles would be great. It should strive to create puzzles during the game and setup tactics for you to find. thats the idea behind the maia bots on lichess. they work ok but not great at their stated goal i think. theyre really repetitive in the openings for one
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Ah interesting, I hadn't seen those before. I mostly just use offline -> against computer on the mobile app if I have a few minutes.
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Maia's goal iirc isn't to play well, but to play a move which is realistic for a human of their rating
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I wonder if in a couple years, cheating with those bots will be undetectable
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Money changes everything, and Chess.com acquiring Play Magnus Group/etc. kind of casts, you know, reasonable doubt as to whether or not there is a conflict of intest in the form of that $82.9 Million buyout. If my star who I just paid over EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS for in their branding decides to be, for lack of a better term, butthurt over taking a 19 year old for a chump and not admitting to himself that, you know, he could have legitimately just hosed up, and then refuses to play in any matches with said person, throwing off an entire tournament bracket... Well, of course you'd want to try and save face, even if you don't have the balls to tell your star player you bought that they should stop that poo poo, because it could be bad for business. I have nothing but respect for Niemann for taking this and running with it, and kind of making a really good point: it's a game that speaks for itself. There are only 169,518,829,100,544,000,000,000,000,000 ways to play the first ten moves of a game of chess, and you literally have to think like a supercomputer to figure out the pattern as it's going along. It is entirely humanly possible for this to happen, because even if you are studying the board, the opposing player, and attempting to get into their head and plan 5 moves ahead, they're doing the same. What I'm saying is Magnus Carlsen operating in assembly while Hans Niemann is in C, C#, C++, or any modern day form of coding/computing, and the human brain is nothing but a biological supercomputer to people like these. Hans is just operating on a newer model. Dude looks, acts, and sounds like a savant who probably has an account here, even. Edit: Just to have a small silly side note. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTaFuBJ2h1E Someone tried to go and remake the beads. Enjoy.
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Faust IX posted:Money changes everything, and Chess.com acquiring Play Magnus Group/etc. kind of casts, you know, reasonable doubt as to whether or not there is a conflict of intest in the form of that $82.9 Million buyout. If my star who I just paid over EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS for in their branding decides to be, for lack of a better term, butthurt over taking a 19 year old for a chump and not admitting to himself that, you know, he could have legitimately just hosed up, and then refuses to play in any matches with said person, throwing off an entire tournament bracket... I don't know about all that Chesscom is acting about how I'd expect them act even if they didn't have an explicit professional relationship with Magnus There's nothing opaque about what is going on. Just about everyone hates Hans, Magnus is blackballing Hans in hope that he'll eat a ban from FIDE or just not get invited to stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsikAfMrNQA I don't really care about Hans, he's a repeat cheater who did lie about his past cheating on the website and in paid events. I wouldn't want to play against someone like that either
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tractor fanatic posted:I wonder if in a couple years, cheating with those bots will be undetectable Makes me glad I suck so bad. If I play someone cheating vwith a 1000 bot that's indistinguishable from a 1000 player what do I care and the folks cheating with 2000 bots will leave my pool quickly. Another victory for mediocrity!
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Faust IX posted:Money changes everything, and Chess.com acquiring Play Magnus Group/etc. kind of casts, you know, reasonable doubt as to whether or not there is a conflict of intest in the form of that $82.9 Million buyout. If my star who I just paid over EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS for in their branding decides to be, for lack of a better term, butthurt over taking a 19 year old for a chump and not admitting to himself that, you know, he could have legitimately just hosed up, and then refuses to play in any matches with said person, throwing off an entire tournament bracket... why is Jesus so interested in cheating at chess? I thought he was already omniscient? Or perhaps he just likes the idea of the beads?
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I've yet to hear what the people who think that chess.com is obviously making stuff up because of their conflict of interest actually think is wrong with the report that post in particular is pretty nonsensical and demonstrates a lack of understanding about what's actually been happening and what the evidence is
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Faust IX posted:Money changes everything, and Chess.com acquiring Play Magnus Group/etc. kind of casts, you know, reasonable doubt as to whether or not there is a conflict of intest in the form of that $82.9 Million buyout. If my star who I just paid over EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS for in their branding decides to be, for lack of a better term, butthurt over taking a 19 year old for a chump and not admitting to himself that, you know, he could have legitimately just hosed up, and then refuses to play in any matches with said person, throwing off an entire tournament bracket... A savant, lol. A savant that suggests an obvious tactical blunder in a post game interview about the game he just beat the world champion in, with the black pieces no less, followed immediately by asking what the computer says about his move. Definitely a savant.
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the basic summary of the drama is "admitted past cheater plays extremely suspicious game; opponent handles it in the worst way possible"
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cheetah7071 posted:I've yet to hear what the people who think that chess.com is obviously making stuff up because of their conflict of interest actually think is wrong with the report i guess tbf you can say the chess.com report was somewhat misleading since they heavily imply the six tournaments they highlight are suspicious while being careful to say they're not actually suspicious
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I just got rating points refunded by chesscom because I played against a cheater thanks chesscom
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Salt Fish posted:Ah interesting, I hadn't seen those before. I mostly just use offline -> against computer on the mobile app if I have a few minutes. If you are Android, check out Chess Dojo (by Gerhard Kalab). The engine behind that program is really good at playing more like a human would at lower levels, and also good at playing in different styles. It adjusts to your level automatically. Great for offline against the computer.
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cheetah7071 posted:the basic summary of the drama is "admitted past cheater plays extremely suspicious game; opponent handles it in the worst way possible" I thought the consensus was that there was nothing out of the ordinary in the win against Magnus. Unless you're referring to Hans' past, then it should be games plural lmao
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qsvui posted:I thought the consensus was that there was nothing out of the ordinary in the win against Magnus. Unless you're referring to Hans' past, then it should be games plural lmao I don't think it's the consensus that being unable to intelligently discuss a game you just played is ordinary for a GM it's not a smoking gun, either; it's just suspicious e: the summary could have been clearer that it was how Hans acted that was suspicious rather than the moves themselves
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cheetah7071 posted:I've yet to hear what the people who think that chess.com is obviously making stuff up because of their conflict of interest actually think is wrong with the report Uh, assembly vs C+ or whatever duh it seems pretty plain to me
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cheetah7071 posted:the basic summary of the drama is "admitted past cheater plays extremely suspicious game; opponent handles it in the worst way possible" i can think of a few worse ways to handle it, just off the top of my head
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Salt Fish posted:I actually think the next frontier of chess AI is to make bots that are actually fun to play. It's getting easier and easier to code a bot that's impossible to beat, but on lichess for example its still n% chance to play top stockfish move and n% chance to play a random move. I think a bot that is trained on a neural model of chess puzzles would be great. It should strive to create puzzles during the game and setup tactics for you to find. I want to make a Bongcloud bot that always opens 1.e4 2.Ke3 and then moves the king forward whenever it's not an instantly losing move. The problem with trying to make Stockfish play the Bongcloud is that it usually wants to retreat the king right away.
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qsvui posted:I thought the consensus was that there was nothing out of the ordinary in the win against Magnus. Unless you're referring to Hans' past, then it should be games plural lmao well it was slightly out of the ordinary inasmuch as most of his contemporaries seem to agree that it was the worst game that Magnus has played in years in a tournament like that, but yeah other than that no clear red flags unless you take Magnus's feelings about Hans not thinking long enough or hard enough in key positions at face value
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I personally find the stuff in chess.com's report about Niemann being an unusually late bloomer for a top-level GM but nonetheless having the fastest-rising rating of all time kinda suspicious, but I also recognize that outliers do exist in reality. However, combined with the evidence of him cheating all the time online including in games that really mattered, and him being unable to analyze his own positions but going straight to "what does the computer say" and him mysteriously having prepared for Magnus's surprise opening, I find Magnus's feelings about Niemann being too casual playing the world champion with black credible, and I have therefore reached the irrefutable conclusion that hans has a chess engine up his rear end
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thanks. i'm drafting the email to arkady dvorkovich right now letting him know the official position of the cspam moderation staff on the issue
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fart simpson posted:thanks. i'm drafting the email to arkady dvorkovich right now letting him know the official position of the cspam moderation staff on the issue thank you for your service
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Now I'm not saying this whole story took a major turn but https://twitter.com/FIDE_chess/status/1580121846552199168?s=20&t=0awOUbIhCt4LbzgDlTCy2w this whole story just took a major turn.
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qsvui posted:I thought the consensus was that there was nothing out of the ordinary in the win against Magnus. Unless you're referring to Hans' past, then it should be games plural lmao Nakamura and Naroditsky were unable to spot the cheating in the games identified by chess.com and Naroditsky said he wasn't suspicious at the time, so it's probably safe to assume that his general method is too subtle to be detected by even top players. Those were blitz games as well, in a classical game he'd presumably be able to hide it better simply due to having more time.
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Hand Knit posted:Now I'm not saying this whole story took a major turn but Isn't that the guy who was a pretty good commentator for a lot of FIDE's official streams? But, I might also confusing him with someone with a similar name.
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VictualSquid posted:Isn't that the guy who was a pretty good commentator for a lot of FIDE's official streams? But, I might also confusing him with someone with a similar name. Last I knew the main FIDE broadcaster was Miroschnichenko but for some reason I think he was fired recently.
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