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Skwirl posted:This is why I just flat out refuse to answer hypothetical questions. but hypothetically, what if the person who asked was gonna die if they didn;t get youre answer
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Captain Monkey posted:I promise you that no real people are killed when someone considers the trolley problem.
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People who believe in their hearts that an abortion is a form of murder would agree we shouldn't sacrifice an unborn fetus for the benefit of others. Does this mean a woman suffering pregnancy complications who wanted to carry the fetus to term should get greater priority than a woman who wishes to have an abortion?
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I, personally, would save everyone, and bake them a cake, which makes me morally superior to that goon who'd just save everyone
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Hypothetically, if i were to shove a bunch of armchair philosophers into a school locker, would The grifting begins 
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Feliday Melody posted:Don't kill. Try to save everyone you can. Never give up on trying. I think the frustration I'm feeling with your answers is due to the fact that you have strong beliefs about the word 'kill' - not at all unjustifiably either - and so it doesn't feel like you're engaging with the actual question being asked, so try this: You are a lowly volunteer tutor. You have 6 students and not enough time and resources to help them all pass: you can (a) spend the time to help the one student who's far behind and about to fail or (b) help the other 5 students who aren't as far behind but will still fail without your help. There isn't enough time or resources to find another option, and if you walk away or try to split the difference or help them all, they'll all fail. This isn't the Kobayashi Maru scenario where you're expected to fail or hack the system or be clever or say "I don't believe in no-win situations  " and avoid the dilemma, the interesting part is the dilemma itself and the moral calculus that goes into it.The reason your answers irk me is because I see the same sort of evasions going on with people who say we shouldn't help Ukraine defend itself or people who won't vote for imperfect candidates or screeching about incrementalism. It comes back to what I was saying about even the people who walk away from Omelas being fuckers. Washing your hands of a lovely situation when you could actively make things better is, imho, a lovely thing to do. This may, not, in fact be what you are doing, but I run into the sort of moral cowardice I described a lot and it infuriates me. Agents are GO! has a new favorite as of 19:19 on Oct 12, 2022 |
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I will let the train kill them all and take their bones 
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CelticPredator posted:I will let the train kill them all and take their bones I see you're a Boneraiser Minions player too.
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goblin week posted:I, personally, would save everyone, and bake them a cake, which makes me morally superior to that goon who'd just save everyone What kind of cake?
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Elephant Ambush posted:What kind of cake?
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RFC2324 posted:The refusal to pick one is in fact one of the 2 options
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Hihohe posted:Hypothetically, if i were to shove a bunch of armchair philosophers into a school locker, would I can fix her
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Vib Rib posted:Right, I feel like I'm missing something here. Between "pull the lever or don't pull the lever", walking away and not participating is literally choosing "don't pull the lever". That's not a third, new option someone just invented just now. That's choosing not to switch tracks. Yeah I was reading this long argument over multiple pages wondering if I was missing something or if this person thought “I won’t participate 🧐” is different from “option 1: don’t pull the lever”?
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Agents are GO! posted:I think the frustration I'm feeling with your answers is due to the fact that you have strong beliefs about the word 'kill' - not at all unjustifiably either - and so it doesn't feel like you're engaging with the actual question being asked, so try this: This all assumes a level of prescience that I can't process. I guess I'd try to help everyone and hope for the best. Either that or I can't provide a good answer. There's no possible scenario where one is left behind entirely. It's impossible. Agents are GO! posted:It comes back to what I was saying about even the people who walk away from Omelas being fuckers. Washing your hands of a lovely situation when you could actively make things better is, imho, a lovely thing to do. I think we're working with 2 different hypotheticals. One is "kill few to save many" which I reject outright The other is "fail to provide aid to one to provide aid to many" To which my answer will be to try and save as many as possible, at the best of my abilities, in the best order I can think of at the time. You can write that down as a non-answer if you like. I cannot process an answer where one is outright abandoned before the rescue effort event starts. It doesn't work. Feliday Melody has a new favorite as of 12:53 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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If your answer is not "I pull the lever," then it's "I do not pull the lever." It's literally that simple, no matter how you phrase it. If you don't pull the lever, there's only one other option, no matter how you phrase it. Even if you just say you "don't engage", does your hand touch the lever? No? Then you don't pull the lever! It's like you're failing to comprehend the idea of a lever. It's either on or off. It doesn't care why it's pulled or not pulled. Only one of those changes the behavior of the tracks. https://twitter.com/Highway_30/status/1579513875078467585 here, content
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Midnight Voyager posted:If your answer is not "I pull the lever," then it's "I do not pull the lever." It's literally that simple, no matter how you phrase it. If you don't pull the lever, there's only one other option, no matter how you phrase it. Even if you just say you "don't engage", does your hand touch the lever? No? Then you don't pull the lever! What does the lever do again? Levers was a while ago.
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Midnight Voyager posted:If your answer is not "I pull the lever," then it's "I do not pull the lever." It's literally that simple, no matter how you phrase it. If you don't pull the lever, there's only one other option, no matter how you phrase it. Even if you just say you "don't engage", does your hand touch the lever? No? Then you don't pull the lever! A quite reasonable answer to the trolley problem is "Nah, not playing that game. Let's argue about something else."
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i would go super saiyan and stop the trolley, saving everyone
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I would choose to run over Nate the snake rather than hit the lever.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:In real logic, there is the "excluded middle" fallacy, in which you point out that somebody who says "It's either A or B" is generally avoiding multiple entities that are neither. Like, I can shove the bicycle that you didn't mention, it's right offscreen, in front of the switch, forcing the train to stop. If anyone ever asks me about the trolley problem, I’ll make like an Xbox and turn 360 degrees and walk away.
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I would ban trolleys, and dedicate billions of dollars towards replacing them with tiny, far safer tunnels that just about barely fit a car, so that drivers could simply zoom through at high speeds in the electric cars I will sell them
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https://twitter.com/tragicbirdapp/status/1579941138467033088 https://twitter.com/GiaPratamaMD/status/1579729509846519808 and a non-idiot response: https://twitter.com/asanilta/status/1580071158174560257 OwlFancier posted:Yes and if you argue that bodily autonomy is an inherent, inviolable thing then you end up with silly ideas like "you aren't allowed to break up a fight because you would be interfering in people's bodily autonomy" Ah, the tenderqueer response. some plague rats posted:I can fix her I wanna see her drop some truth bombs, if you know what I'm saying. 
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https://onlysky.media/ahall/christian-influencer-gets-holy-water-breast-implants/ An influencer counts as social media, right? It's not a tweet, but it's all I got. Bless these tiddies.
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The funny thing about the trolly problem is people will argue whatever they prefer will cause less damage anyway so in the end it doesn’t matter. It’s literally pointless
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Midnight Voyager posted:https://onlysky.media/ahall/christian-influencer-gets-holy-water-breast-implants/ I appreciate you trying in vain to rerail the thread from the moral philosophy fart huffing, but... I suspect you missed the word "satire" directly above the headline.
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Who let Data Graham on twitter? Lemniscate Blue posted:Burn Omelas to the ground, and throw this derail on the fire. 
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SiKboy posted:I appreciate you trying in vain to rerail the thread from the moral philosophy fart huffing, but... I suspect you missed the word "satire" directly above the headline. Ah heck, truth. I'm unfortunately low on social media idiots at the moment that I didn't get from this thread in the first place.
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Kim dotcom has been doing endless iosms recently. Apparently he's deep in Putins pocket. Just recently, he called for Ukranians to demonstrate on the streets of Kiev for a regime change and against arms shipments to Ukraine in the name of peace.
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BioEnchanted posted:Al;so bear in mind that in The Good Place, the multiple versions of the experiment were purely Michael deliberately loving with Chidi because he just couldn't resist the urge to do so. He was still new at not being a villain at the time so hadn't got the torturing out of his system. Yeah I get that, it's made pretty clear. I just wish the show had spent like 10 seconds setting up that the point was the two choices and what it says about you rather than asking the gimme question of whether you would choose to save one person or save five people, then launching straight into weird hypotheticals as though that's the interesting part. But I guess that would have made it less funny Agents are GO! posted:Who let Data Graham on twitter?
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This guy is either a slightly clever troll or dumber than a sack of poo poo. He's running for Congress against Ilhan Omar as the "America First" candidate. So make of that what you will!
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Midnight Voyager posted:https://onlysky.media/ahall/christian-influencer-gets-holy-water-breast-implants/  stealing this for my next cleric in D&D.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:but hypothetically, what if the person who asked was gonna die if they didn;t get youre answer
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Hundreds of years from now, when archaeologists find my bones, they will go "wow cool bones." e: I hope I die by drowning in a peat bog and when archaeologists find my body and examine my stomach contents it's nothing but doritos and mountain dew. Then I'd be put in a museum as the most well preserved gamer specimen. Dr. Stab has a new favorite as of 20:44 on Oct 12, 2022 |
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Dr. Stab posted:Hundreds of years from now, when archaeologists find my bones, they will go "wow cool bones." How are you going to make your bones stand out? Like, they find a skeleton with a golden eye and that's gonna make the papers no problem, but what's your plan?
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Volcott posted:How are you going to make your bones stand out? Like, they find a skeleton with a golden eye and that's gonna make the papers no problem, but what's your plan? It doesn't have to make the news. Archaeologists just love finding bones. But also I edited my post on how to do my best to impress archaeologists in the future.
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