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indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Red and Black posted:

That's not much better because the operation will remain enormous in scale. Are you really going to have the state operate a massive network of casinos? And how are these supposed to be less harmful to the social fabric of society?

you didn�t read my post

# ? Oct 11, 2022 19:57

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Mango Press 🥭🗝 posted:

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Video of a 300m high temporary suspended bridge with a carrying capacity of about 40 tons! Socialism POWER!

🥭@mangopress

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don't look down :stare:

# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:12

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

that's loving terrifying and I would never ever use it. I've seen rickety rope and plank bridges in cartoons that are less scary

# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:14

KirbyKhan: Mar 20, 2009; Soiled Meat

Know what's cool? Gambling. Know what's even cooler? Illegal gambling. Know what's coolest of all? Living life in a moral and just way.

# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:16

Oglethorpe: Aug 8, 2005

indigi posted:

that's loving terrifying and I would never ever use it. I've seen rickety rope and plank bridges in cartoons that are less scary

i would

# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:18

Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

its that disco elysium thing where if you believe in communism the bridge won't fall

# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:21

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

I don't think it would fall I'd just have a debilitating panic attack and drive off the edge

# ? Oct 11, 2022 20:26

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

Antonymous posted:

its that disco elysium thing where if you believe in communism the bridge won't fall

lol the final bridge test in Last Crusade but it's mazovian socio-economics

# ? Oct 11, 2022 21:19

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Where is the usual dick car in the other side of the bridge that swing it side to side and scare the poo poo out of you?

# ? Oct 11, 2022 21:49

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/SpectreOfCarr/status/1579412124610142209?cxt=HHwWgoCplbK9mesrAAAA

# ? Oct 11, 2022 23:08

KirbyKhan: Mar 20, 2009; Soiled Meat

Lmfao

# ? Oct 12, 2022 00:03

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Antonymous posted:

its that disco elysium thing where if you believe in communism the bridge won't fall

Apparently the more points you have in communism the longer the cardboard bridge stays up

# ? Oct 12, 2022 06:21

Cookie Cutter: Nov 29, 2020; Is there something else that's bothering you Mr. President?

Danann posted:

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don't look down

Chinese remake of Sorcerer (1977) going well I see

# ? Oct 12, 2022 11:16

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

illegal to for American citizens/green card holders to work for Chinese semi conductor companies now?

https://twitter.com/NikkeiAsia/status/1579947488022528000?t=Sehtz6TY7PV2kfO_gcTGMQ&s=19

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TAIPEI -- The latest U.S. crackdown on China's tech has left a group of talented employees caught in the crossfire: the hundreds of Chinese Americans who have been some of the key figures at China's homegrown semiconductor-related companies.
For the first time, U.S. export controls on China have expanded to block "U.S. persons" -- both citizens and permanent residents -- from supporting the "development" or "production" of certain high-end chips that could advance Chinese tech applications from military use and artificial intelligence to supercomputers.
The restriction could bring massive disruption to China's leading chip circles, industry executives and analysts said. Multiple top China-based chip equipment and materials companies have been founded by Chinese Americans who have U.S. citizenship, according to industry executives and public filings, and "hundreds" of executives and professionals at the heart of China's efforts to build a self-reliant chip ecosystem also have U.S. citizenship, people familiar with the matter told Nikkei Asia.
Some renowned examples include founding Chairman and CEO Gerald Yin of Advanced Micro-Fabrication Equipment Inc. China (AMEC), China's leading equipment maker, which aims to break the dominance of U.S. companies in the chipmaking tool sector.
Yin -- described as a U.S. citizen on the company's website and in its filings to the stock exchange -- worked in the U.S. for two decades before he started AMEC in 2004. Many of AMEC's senior executives are also American citizens with long experience working and studying in the U.S., including chief operating officer Du Zhiyou, the company's investor relations website showed. AMEC's shares closed down nearly 20% on Monday, part of a sell-off in China chip stocks following the announcement of the latest U.S. curbs.
Other examples include David H. Wang, CEO and president of ACM Research, China's most advanced maker of wafer cleaning machines. The company website says he is a U.S. citizen.
ACM Research told Nikkei Asia it is still studying the implications of the new rules and declined to comment further.
At least four senior executives at Shanghai-listed chip machine maker Tuojing Technology, also known as Piotech, also have U.S. citizenship.
Chen Lu, the founding chairman and CEO of Skyverse Technology, a key provider of test machines, is another U.S. citizen, according to company's prospectus, as is Wang Sumin, founding chair and CEO of chipmaking chemical maker Anji Microelectronics, public filing records showed. Anji's shares fell 20% on Monday.
AMEC, Skyverse, Piotech and Anji did not respond to Nikkei Asia's request for comments.
These senior executives are the haigui, or "sea turtles" -- a Chinese nickname for returnees who have studied and worked overseas. They have long been viewed as crucial to China's aim of improving its chip and tech sectors, and many have touted their experience working at top U.S. companies like Intel, Applied Materials and Lam Research.

People attend a chip industry fair in Shanghai. International ties have been key to the growth of China's semiconductor sector. (Photo by Cheng Ting-Fang)
Over a decade China has strongly encouraged those with special know-how and industry knowledge to return home to teach at top universities or start companies. The "Thousand Talents Plan" initiated by Beijing in 2008 was aimed at bringing back even more overseas talent to help China improve its industries.
However, the U.S. now sees programs like this as an industrial espionage threat.
The latest export controls are Washington's first explicit attempt to stop the sea turtles from helping China develop advanced semiconductors for supercomputers, AI and other key tech applications. Previously, Washington only regulated U.S. persons' activities if they were related to nuclear or chemical and biological weapons programs in China, the export control document said.
"We don't have actual numbers of how many people could fall under the U.S. new regulations this time. But from public information, many key Chinese chip companies are led by Chinese Americans or have several Chinese American senior executives," Donnie Teng, a tech analyst with Nomura Securities, told Nikkei Asia. They "are crucial industry leaders for Chinese semiconductor development and progress."
Mark Li, a semiconductor analyst with Sandford C. Bernstein, said, "It could have a big impact if U.S. talent can't support Chinese chip development."
The new ban takes effect on Wednesday, at which time all activities by these "U.S. persons" related to the development of certain grades of high-end chips must cease until they receive a license, Christopher Timura, a Washington-based lawyer with Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, told Nikkei Asia.
"This new restriction applies not only to engineers who might be supporting the development and production of the types of targeted ICs, but also to other business personnel because it also extends to U.S. persons that are involved in other business functions such as shipping or transmitting commodities or technologies," Timura said.
Timura added that the restriction applies equally to U.S. expatriates supporting projects and chipmaking facilities located in China and to American companies located in the U.S. He likened it to the curbs on U.S. persons assisting sanctioned countries such as Cuba, Iran and North Korea.
Violators of the licensing requirement can be subject to both civil and criminal penalties, several trade and export control lawyers said.
U.S. citizens become subject to the license requirement as soon as they are aware that American items or technologies will be used to develop or produce high-end chips at a facility in China that makes advanced logic chips, explained Kevin Wolf, a veteran export control lawyer with Akin Gump.
For logic chips -- generally understood to mean processor chips -- the rules cover production technology of the 14-to-16-nanometer grade or better. For NAND flash memory, the cutoff is chips with 128 layers or more, while for DRAM memory it is 18-nm tech or better.
The new regulations hit at the heart of China's chip ambition. Its top chipmakers are ramping up production for chips of those grades. Yangtze Memory has put 128-layer NAND flash memory into production, while ChangXin mass-produces 18-nm grade DRAM. Both companies are developing next-generation memory chips. Chinese chip equipment and materials makers are working to support these expansion programs.
Chinese Americans can try to avoid the latest rules by abandoning their U.S. citizenship or changing the scope of their working areas.
"If such individuals have, in fact, ceased to be U.S. citizens, or no longer have the status of permanent residents and are acting outside the United States, the rules would not apply to them," Harry Clark, a Washington-based lawyer specializing in export control law with Orrick, told Nikkei Asia. "But whether any given such individual has achieved this status (not being a U.S. person) would depend on an assessment under U.S. immigration laws."
It would not be easy for these Chinese Americans to abandon their citizenship overnight, multiple chip industry executives told Nikkei Asia.
"The new regulation caught many of these Chinese American executives off guard. ... Many of them have family overseas in the U.S. and have assets and properties in the U.S.," said one chip industry executive who declined to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter. "It will be very tough for them if the U.S. can really enforce and execute this new regulation."

# ? Oct 12, 2022 11:51

Oglethorpe: Aug 8, 2005

come on cnn

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/11/china/china-party-congress-explainer-intl-hnk-mic/index.html posted:

Xi Jinping is poised to cement his role as China�s most powerful leader in decades, as members of the country�s ruling Communist Party meet for a twice-a-decade leadership reshuffle that begins Sunday.

You mean elections?

quote:

In recent years, these meetings have seen a streamlined transfer of power: the convention is for the top party leader, having completed two five-year terms, to pass the baton to a carefully chosen successor.

Elections every 4 years? Freedomism.

Elections every 5 years? Authoritarianism.

quote:

But this year, Xi is expected to smash that precedent, taking on a third term as general secretary of the party and pitching China into a new era of strongman rule and uncertainty over when or how the country would see another leader.

Sounds like FDR to me.

quote:

The Congress itself, typically held in October or November, convenes nearly 2,300 carefully selected Communist Party members, called delegates, from around the country. These delegates range from top provincial officials and military officers to professionals across sectors, and so-called grassroots representatives like farmers and industrial workers. Just over a quarter are women, while about 11% come from ethnic minorities, according to figures released ahead of this year�s Congress.

farmers and workers in Congress? well i never! that's not democracy!

It goes on like that but i just can't be bothered

# ? Oct 12, 2022 14:45

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Apparently the more points you have in communism the longer the cardboard bridge stays up

Praxis.

# ? Oct 12, 2022 14:59

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Oglethorpe posted:

come on cnn

You mean elections?

Elections every 4 years? Freedomism.

Elections every 5 years? Authoritarianism.

Sounds like FDR to me.

farmers and workers in Congress? well i never! that's not democracy!

It goes on like that but i just can't be bothered

I really love the decontextualized "only 11% are ethnic minorities" in a country that is 94% Han people.

# ? Oct 12, 2022 15:07

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Handutva!

# ? Oct 12, 2022 15:33

Marzzle: Dec 1, 2004; Bursting with flavor

gradenko_2000 posted:

Another long read about the history of Philippine politics: https://apjjf.org/2022/16/Rafael.html

read this and it's good (and short). gives a context to the historic pattern duterte came from that I didn't know much about about before. read it if you're interested in SE asia folks!

(I accidentally posted this in the periodicals thread too :ohdear:

)

# ? Oct 12, 2022 17:08

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

stephenthinkpad posted:

Handutva!

# ? Oct 12, 2022 17:19

this allusion meant: Apr 9, 2006

Danann posted:

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this civilian drone thing sounds cool

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people use drones for all kinds of civilian applications in almost every country these days. mostly just to get a quick view of something but that�s fairly important in itself and also basically a main military function as well

# ? Oct 12, 2022 17:19

a fatguy baldspot: Aug 29, 2018

crepeface posted:

illegal to for American citizens/green card holders to work for Chinese semi conductor companies now?

https://twitter.com/NikkeiAsia/status/1579947488022528000?t=Sehtz6TY7PV2kfO_gcTGMQ&s=19

oh no not the tech execs

# ? Oct 12, 2022 18:29

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Danann posted:

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this civilian drone thing sounds cool

that's just a helicopter

e: I mean it's cool it can be remotely piloted but it's just a helicopter you can't load or unload until it's off

# ? Oct 12, 2022 18:33

Not So Fast: Dec 27, 2007

how about flying cars then
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1580264789183328258?t=ol-4YJwPgrMdsAFZ6DLqgQ&s=19

# ? Oct 12, 2022 21:15

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

how can xi be FDR if he doesn't even have a professor x levitating chair?

# ? Oct 12, 2022 21:16

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Not So Fast posted:

how about flying cars then
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1580264789183328258?t=ol-4YJwPgrMdsAFZ6DLqgQ&s=19

that's also a helicopter

# ? Oct 12, 2022 21:47

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/ErikSolheim/status/1578976808908701696

more trees :toot:

# ? Oct 12, 2022 21:54

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

China is merely doing the will of the ents, who control the PRC as its deep state. Xi is their puppet

# ? Oct 12, 2022 22:08

droll: Jan 9, 2020; by Azathoth

President Xi more like president Tree

# ? Oct 12, 2022 22:26

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Mad props to Vietnam also.

# ? Oct 12, 2022 22:35

KirbyKhan: Mar 20, 2009; Soiled Meat

droll posted:

President Xi more like president Tree

# ? Oct 12, 2022 22:48

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

droll posted:

President Xi more like president Tree

lmao

# ? Oct 12, 2022 22:51

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

indigi posted:

that's also a helicopter

A really lovely extra dangerous helicopter :science:

# ? Oct 12, 2022 23:03

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

Not So Fast posted:

how about flying cars then
https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1580264789183328258?t=ol-4YJwPgrMdsAFZ6DLqgQ&s=19

i'm really glad I don't live on the 50th floor of a tower in a city with those things flying around

# ? Oct 12, 2022 23:35

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Vietnam getting ready for Agent Orange Round Two

# ? Oct 13, 2022 00:14

Ferrinus: Jun 19, 2003; i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

droll posted:

President Xi more like president Tree

Tree Simping

# ? Oct 13, 2022 00:25

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/ErikSolheim/status/1578976808908701696

more trees

Sounds like imperialism

# ? Oct 13, 2022 00:27

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

Ferrinus posted:

Tree Simping

# ? Oct 13, 2022 00:29

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

those javan forests are super important and are never coming back lol

# ? Oct 13, 2022 00:30

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eSports Chaebol: Feb 22, 2005; Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

a fatguy baldspot posted:

oh no not the tech execs

any of them who are actually smart enough to be contributing to chip fabrication are gonna be smart enough to see that the only sane response to this is for them and their families to just all move back to China lol

# ? Oct 13, 2022 00:34

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