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Midjack posted:Look up your local laws; I would not recommend that in a two party consent state. It’s not lol
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My manager must be high... I'm managing two sales teams at the moment and we're in expansion mode. He got signoff from the client for an additional 8 heads between the two teams. In addition to that, I need to hire a backfill position for a leaver. He expects me to have these people hired by the end of the week with a start date no later than November 1, or we might not hit the staffing target he agreed with the client and thus we won't be paid the full amount on the contract. He only had the damned reqs confirmed by our staffing dept Tuesday afternoon. I'm in EMEA, he's in the US. The location I'm hiring in has a standard notice period of two months and the recruiters haven't even started sourcing CVs yet. My manager is used to the US standard 2 weeks. If I can get to full headcount by January, it'll practically be a miracle. And then I'll have 25 direct reports.... I need to promote me a couple team leads so I won't get snowed in.
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Baggins posted:And then I'll have 25 direct reports.... 
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25 direct reports is nuts. That’s over double what my org thinks is appropriate for a manager. Our max is like 12
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25 is too many that number could definitely overpower you in combat if it were to come to that.
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I'll allow that unusual cases might exist that could push the number as high as 8, but in my experience the maximum number of people any one person can effectively personally manage is 5, maaaaybe 6. Anything in double digits is nutso and indicative of a deeply hosed organization that cares about employee development even less than the corporate norm. 25 is 
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Eric the Mauve posted:I'll allow that unusual cases might exist that could push the number as high as 8, but in my experience the maximum number of people any one person can effectively personally manage is 5, maaaaybe 6. Anything in double digits is nutso and indicative of a deeply hosed organization that cares about employee development even less than the corporate norm. lol yea I think our max is 5-6, typical here is 3-4 FTEs. 25 is insane.
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Oct 12, 2022 02:35
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tumblr hype man posted:lol yea I think our max is 5-6, typical here is 3-4 FTEs. 25 is insane. Are you considering team leads as FTE With Management Characteristics, or do you seriously have a full 1/3 of the company devoted to management?
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Baggins posted:My manager must be high... I'll take a few weeks of onboarding pay 
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Oct 12, 2022 03:33
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Volmarias posted:Are you considering team leads as FTE With Management Characteristics, or do you seriously have a full 1/3 of the company devoted to management? Team leads count as FTE with management characteristics since they do all the raise and review stuff here. Back office teams can definitely be bigger. This is a bank though so it’s gonna be weird compared to other places.
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I use a tool for work that has the url analytical.toolname.com so of course I am used to the address being stored in my browser Recently tech support reset all my browsing data to fix a problem I was having with a different tool. Anyway boss, that is why I google searched "anal" on company equipment.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I'll allow that unusual cases might exist that could push the number as high as 8, but in my experience the maximum number of people any one person can effectively personally manage is 5, maaaaybe 6. Anything in double digits is nutso and indicative of a deeply hosed organization that cares about employee development even less than the corporate norm. You're not wrong. I'm at 12 direct reports and 5 with a dotted line now and I'm already feeling like I can't be effective as-is. Once I start this process properly, there needs to be a conversation around my role and support network. No way I can manage this many people in the long term.
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Oct 12, 2022 11:16
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I just staggered out of two days of SAFe training and I'm more convinced than ever that the whole thing is pulled from the CIA sabotage field manual
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Jumpsuit posted:I just staggered out of two days of SAFe training and I'm more convinced than ever that the whole thing is pulled from the CIA sabotage field manual How can it not be? The manual says to hold as many meetings as possible and ask everyone if they really agree before continuing
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CancerCakes posted:I use a tool for work that has the url lmao
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Business, Finance, and Careers > Corporate Megathread: Anyway boss, that is why I googled 'anal' on company equipment
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remigious posted:The endless waltz of working for most of the morning and then spending the remainder of the day thinking I should look for a new job. Instead of just thinking about it, spend the remainder of your day updating your resume/looking for a new job.
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Oct 12, 2022 16:29
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CancerCakes posted:I use a tool for work that has the url At an old job for a project we used Lust brand electric motor drives. We always struggled to look up any documentation for them because we were blocked from searching the word "lust"
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Eric the Mauve posted:Business, Finance, and Careers > Corporate Megathread: Anyway boss, that is why I googled 'anal' on company equipment  dxt posted:At an old job for a project we used Lust brand electric motor drives. We always struggled to look up any documentation for them because we were blocked from searching the word "lust" Victorian England-rear end network filters.
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Oct 12, 2022 16:55
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Jumpsuit posted:I just staggered out of two days of SAFe training and I'm more convinced than ever that the whole thing is pulled from the CIA sabotage field manual I've been an agile coach for about 10 years and I absolutely hate SAFe. It's a low-risk low-change product created to sell to executives and to sell training courses and certifications so that those executives can say "we're agile now" without actually being agile. Nobody who is looked up to in the industry endorses it
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Oct 12, 2022 17:00
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Elephant Ambush posted:I've been an agile coach for about 10 years and I absolutely hate SAFe. It's a low-risk low-change product created to sell to executives and to sell training courses and certifications so that those executives can say "we're agile now" without actually being agile. Nobody who is looked up to in the industry endorses it right but why do you hate SAFe
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Oct 12, 2022 17:05
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Look we paid a bunch of consultants and didn’t implement any of their advice we paid for, so we’re lean now and I’m disappointed that you aren’t getting more done with the same amount of resources.
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dxt posted:Instead of just thinking about it, spend the remainder of your day updating your resume/looking for a new job. I actually am today. Going to head over to the resume thread because it’s been like 5 years since I updated mine 
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Eric the Mauve posted:I'll allow that unusual cases might exist that could push the number as high as 8, but in my experience the maximum number of people any one person can effectively personally manage is 5, maaaaybe 6. Anything in double digits is nutso and indicative of a deeply hosed organization that cares about employee development even less than the corporate norm.
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Oct 12, 2022 17:38
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There is a big difference between a production environment and office environments when it comes to a reasonable number of direct reports, but I wouldn't push much above 15-1 even in a production environment.
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Oct 12, 2022 17:42
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I know it's been complained about a lot itt but I really hate it when nobody adds agendas to their meetings I always add an agenda even if it's just a couple short bullet points Why the gently caress am I being invited to a meeting where I don't recognize the subject or most of the other people invited. At least tell me what the hell you're going to talk about
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Oct 12, 2022 18:30
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Elephant Ambush posted:I know it's been complained about a lot itt but I really hate it when nobody adds agendas to their meetings This is a good point and something I always try to add. Just going by the subject line is not enough! Plus it gives an outline for note taking.
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LMAO if you pay attention at meetings where you don’t already know what it’s about.
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kissekatt posted:Eh, it depends on the kind of work that's being done and what the role of the manager is. 5 in my mind is nutso few reports, that's an entire weekday for each report unless you are a working manager which brings its own set of issues. But to be fair, I also live in a culture that is a lot lighter on management (and conversely I believe the US tends to be manager heavy) and I work in more of a production environment. My current manager has somewhere in the area of 30-40 reports, but that's also in part a cost-saving measure (used to be two positions before cutbacks). It's because in the US most managers are also spending between 30-75% of their team doing IC work, it's just dressed up. I'm a director and also the SME on like 4 different workflow in our software. THAT MAKES SENSE
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Oct 12, 2022 19:16
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therobit posted:LMAO if you pay attention at meetings
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therobit posted:LMAO if you pay attention at meetings where you don’t already know what it’s about. Part of my job when I attend a meeting is to figure out why I'm at the meeting, ideally before that reason appears on a slide deck or wants an answer. 
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Oct 12, 2022 19:27
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Double-post, but from my inbox... Subject: Very mundane title that sounds like an automated progress e-mail, everyone will delete it Text: Oh hey guys, we found a pants-shittingly FDA-relevant bug in our compliance software package that lets people delete attachments from approved records. Heads-up, don't delete anything until we fix this, okay? At least put a  or two in your subject lines, guys.
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Oct 12, 2022 20:09
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Sundae posted:Double-post, but from my inbox... Will the siren make it more likely or less likely for someone to delete an attachment, do you think
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Devor posted:Will the siren make it more likely or less likely for someone to delete an attachment, do you think Good point. Never know when you might alert a disgruntled worker of a new way to screw with everyone.
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Sundae posted:Good point. Never know when you might alert a disgruntled worker of a new way to screw with everyone. Not even disgruntled, just curious engineers being engineers "Surely this can't apply to something that's already approv- OH. Huh, it worked"
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I manage 7 people. In tech, it’s pretty standard to have weekly half hour 1:1s with each direct report. Add to that my 1:1 with my manager and PM. Along with recurring status update meetings and task planning this gives me a baseline meeting load of about 12 hours per week. I believe I had 15 hours of meetings on our last No Meetings week. During quarterly planning, annual planning, performance review season, or for any arbitrary “workshop” session this can spike to 20-25 hours per week. I’ve seen people manage up to 12 reports reasonably well. 5-7 is more sane. Before this I had 3-4 reports and was also expected to be an individual contributor at ~50% capacity. That specific IC/M role is widely considered to be the worst of all worlds by everyone I’ve talked to. It’s also training wheels into full time management.
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brainwrinkle posted:I’ve seen people manage up to 12 reports reasonably well. 5-7 is more sane. Before this I had 3-4 reports and was also expected to be an individual contributor at ~50% capacity. That specific IC/M role is widely considered to be the worst of all worlds by everyone I’ve talked to. It’s also training wheels into full time management. Yeah that is the worst. I'm 80% IC 20% supervisor/lead right now and that's not too bad with 2 people who are fairly self sufficient. My last job I had 4 extremely green newbies and I hated it and could never get anything done.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I've been an agile coach for about 10 years and I absolutely hate SAFe. It's a low-risk low-change product created to sell to executives and to sell training courses and certifications so that those executives can say "we're agile now" without actually being agile. Nobody who is looked up to in the industry endorses it This absolutely felt like an upsell. Apparently our department all did the base SAFe training a year or so ago (before I started) and this session was for leads only and was the Product Manager course. The really frustrating bit was that the course wasn't tailored to our group at all - we're a marketing & campaigns team in a non-tech organisation, but the course was the bog-standard software development version. So we were all trying to figure out how on earth to map and reinterpret all of this to our day-to-day work while the guy is going on about DevOps and systems engineering.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/WSJ/status/1579951242214006784 I would quit Such a transparent control ploy. “Oh you want to wfh? Ok wear this on your face for at least 8 hours a day so we know you’re not goofing off!! Why did you remove it for 45 minutes in the afternoon yesterday??”
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priznat posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/WSJ/status/1579951242214006784 Wii Work (Stolen from yospos)
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