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pixaal posted:If we're going to have him work it off it'd probably be more satisfying and humiliating for him to force him to guest star on shows as the bad guy. Just constantly poo poo on. He can have enough to pay for ramen or chili but not both for the week and a small apartment. Rest goes to the families. Basically your idea but it's scripted so he can't possibly say hateful things on air(unless some show's writing staff is dumb enough to give him input). Letting him have live shows still seems like a very dangerous thing. I'm reminded in this scenario of Goering, who as a prisoner was deprived off his drugs and all the other gluttonous pursuits he could pursue. So at the time he cheated the gallows by taking cyanide had lost 60lbs and was in the best shape he'd been for years. So I guess the moral here is beat the flab by loving up so badly you end up owing a Billion dollars. #oneweirdtrick
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Crain posted:Just put him in The Cube but with no lethal traps, just constant humiliation. This was a great idea but when I finished the Humiliation Cube, Ted Cruz immediately bolted into it and now I can't get him to come back out. 
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Deptfordx posted:I'm reminded in this scenario of Goering, who as a prisoner was deprived off his drugs and all the other gluttonous pursuits he could pursue. So at the time he cheated the gallows by taking cyanide had lost 60lbs and was in the best shape he'd been for years. He had to lose the way to get him down under the LD50 for that capsule.
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I see Alex Jones has been ordered to pay 1 billion dollars… reminds me of when I ordered dinner at 5 Guys 😂
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funeral home DJ posted:This was a great idea but when I finished the Humiliation Cube, Ted Cruz immediately bolted into it and now I can't get him to come back out. That's fine, he's just now part of the punishment.
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Everett False posted:As a non-lawyer my understanding has been that he cannot appeal the default, but I'm less clear on whether appealing the amount of damages is a possibility. It's possible but difficult by my understanding. Punitive damages are slightly easier to appeal but courts are deferential to juries on compensatory damages, in part because they're treated as findings of fact - Alex would have to demonstrate that the jury basically got the facts entirely wrong at every level. He straight up isn't allowed to do that regarding the default judgement, and he's got a bit of an uphill battle if he wants to show that actually he didn't maliciously torment these grieving parents for (a lot of) personal gain. He's got problems.
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Everett False posted:As a non-lawyer my understanding has been that he cannot appeal the default, but I'm less clear on whether appealing the amount of damages is a possibility. Not a lawyer either, but from my understanding he could appeal the default, but for him to have any chance of success he'd have to prove the judge engaged in some form of misconduct in regards to the default judgement.
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Mercury_Storm posted:He might be attempting to go on the wingnut welfare walk now (more than usual I guess): not that he could hold on to that money
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Oct 13, 2022 21:11
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funeral home DJ posted:I will buy some of that sheet rock for $1 a square foot just to watch some contractor sawing through the joists behind him as he unleashes guttural screams into a mic. And then the scream cuts off as we see someone carrying the sound board off. Just him screaming but the audience hearing nothing.
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Tree Dude posted:Knowledge Fight have joked about forcing him to have an on air fact checker on every show. That’s surely cruel and unusual punishment? For the hypothetical fact checker, not Jones.
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Mercury_Storm posted:He might be attempting to go on the wingnut welfare walk now (more than usual I guess): That tweet has some quality brain damage replies Alex Jones fans are loving next level stupid and obsessed
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Random Stranger posted:He had to lose the way to get him down under the LD50 for that capsule. 
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sweet geek swag posted:Not a lawyer either, but from my understanding he could appeal the default, but for him to have any chance of success he'd have to prove the judge engaged in some form of misconduct in regards to the default judgement. *(If an actual CT practitioner wants to weigh in please do so!)
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The funniest thing would be if Jones assigned rights to his name and likeness to FSS, and then the families gained control over those rights by virtue of being creditors of FSS. I wonder what interesting legal things the new owners of FSS assets could do with those rights.
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Yvonmukluk posted:That’s surely cruel and unusual punishment? Not if the fact checker controls Jones' microphone, and Jones is in a sound-proof booth.
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This might have been discussed much earlier in the thread, but given that Alex Jones doesn't actually have $1 billion to pay the families then what exactly is he obliged to do from here on? His existing assets get sold off, I guess, and he goes into bankruptcy, but he can keep working as a presenter so long as all his non-essential income goes to his creditors? Can the failure to pay debts land you in prison in the US? And is FSS an entirely separate legal entity, or is it also on the hook for the damages owed here?
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Wizard Master posted:I see Alex Jones has been ordered to pay 1 billion dollars… reminds me of when I ordered dinner at 5 Guys 😂 lol we are living in some times
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Oct 13, 2022 22:16
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FSS and Alex are both 100% on the hook for the debt. If he sets up infowars 2 he's still going to get basically all his income garnished; I suspect that regardless of whether he stays at infowars 1 the trustee is going to want to keep it operating for the precise purpose of paying it's creditors (now mostly the Connecticut plaintiffs lol)
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Legitimately curious: does Jones have any billionaires that he’s really buddy-buddy with, who might have a vested interest in keeping him going despite all of his poo poo? I mean, I seriously doubt that he’d ever get a Hail Mary benefactor, but… well, people have spent way more on stupider poo poo than keeping a swollen ham on the air.
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There's a lot of speculation Peter Thiel was the one who gave him the eight mil in bitcoin. He's been a useful tool for the right but that doesn't mean anything, really. As soon as they decide he's too toxic he'll be dropped in an instant (given the bottom scraping guest lineup he has nowadays compared to the past, this may have already happened) and one of the other ghouls will be the new darling.
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A billion is too much to spend for japes, even Musk or Bezos would balk.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:FSS and Alex are both 100% on the hook for the debt. If he sets up infowars 2 he's still going to get basically all his income garnished; I suspect that regardless of whether he stays at infowars 1 the trustee is going to want to keep it operating for the precise purpose of paying it's creditors (now mostly the Connecticut plaintiffs lol) So the only way for the trustee to pay the plaintiffs is to continue to run infowars and spread more conspiracy theories? I thought this whole thing was about stopping that.
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There is an approximately 0% chance his victims keep infowars running for their own profits. Jones can't pay them the full amount, he will never be able to pay them the full amount. That's the point. He's losing everything and will be giving them drat near all of his income for the rest of his life.
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Is it just me or was this trial really out of everyone's attention? I was following the Texas trial very closely. But in the runup of the CT trial, I understood it as more of an "also-ran". There seemed to be much less buzz around it, despite it sinking him.
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Sophy Wackles posted:So the only way for the trustee to pay the plaintiffs is to continue to run infowars and spread more conspiracy theories? I thought this whole thing was about stopping that. They are keeping it running for the duration of the bankruptcy proceedings because Jones and co have been up to money shenanigans. It’s to make sure they don’t siphon any more money off. After the bankruptcy is over, the trustee is done.
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funeral home DJ posted:This was a great idea but when I finished the Humiliation Cube, Ted Cruz immediately bolted into it and now I can't get him to come back out. e:f,b Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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Sophy Wackles posted:So the only way for the trustee to pay the plaintiffs is to continue to run infowars and spread more conspiracy theories? I thought this whole thing was about stopping that. The trustee is there to make sure Jones doesn't steal the copper plumbing out of the wall and bail on his judgements and debts. It's going to take the trustee a while to Un-gently caress the books. In the meantime he's fiduciary-bound to keep the ship upright long enough so it can be torn down gracefully and fairly to pay the *legitimate* debtors and judgements. Part of that is going to be figuring out all of Jones' hiding holes and fake companies that he tried to use to establish a bunch of debt he owes himself to try and game the bankruptcy system. At this point it's really a matter of time. Unless he has way more liquidity than anyone thought, he's going to probably have severe garnishments on him until he dies broke. Edit: the deep state found Jones in so far as they are going to be so deep in his wallet that they'll be taking the change out of his car. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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So his next trial is back in Texas right? Who's the plaintiffs in that one.
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Deptfordx posted:So his next trial is back in Texas right? Who's the plaintiffs in that one. I think there's a Lenny Posner trial still, but I'm not 100% sure on the status of that.
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DeathSandwich posted:The trustee is there to make sure Jones doesn't steal the copper plumbing out of the wall and bail on his judgements and debts. It's going to take the trustee a while to Un-gently caress the books. In the meantime he's fiduciary-bound to keep the ship upright long enough so it can be torn down gracefully and fairly to pay the *legitimate* debtors and judgements. Part of that is going to be figuring out all of Jones' hiding holes and fake companies that he tried to use to establish a bunch of debt he owes himself to try and game the bankruptcy system. Ok thanks for the clarification. I’m also wondering if the plaintiffs have a senior claim on assets vs whomever else lent Jones and his companies money.
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Sophy Wackles posted:Ok thanks for the clarification. I’m also wondering if the plaintiffs have a senior claim on assets vs whomever else lent Jones and his companies money. To be determined. Most regular debts will discharge in bankruptcy, the court proceedings will determine how much the debtors will get. Figure on "pennies on the dollar" The Connecticut judgement (and I think the Texas one too but I'm not 100%) are *not* dischargeable through bankrupcy due to the nature of the trial and judgement. He is on the hook for those no matter what.
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Lord Stimperor posted:Is it just me or was this trial really out of everyone's attention? I was following the Texas trial very closely. But in the runup of the CT trial, I understood it as more of an "also-ran". There seemed to be much less buzz around it, despite it sinking him. Everything is bigger in Texas.
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This talk of punishments and him paying it back, which he is unfortunately very capable of doing in like 5 years, is kinda glossing over the fact that he'd be making that money by doing further harm to people. You dont want him to pay it back you want him dead in a ditch.
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Is there not actually a way that Jones could pay off a billion dollars before the end of his working life? Like even if it takes him 20 years of making $50m a year, he'd be 60ish and once it's paid off he'd still be making $50m a year.
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So when does this actually bite Jones? Do we have to wait till some final ruling after punitive fees? like a few weeks for the axe to fall?
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Anyone he does it to in the future can now point to this as an example of his unrepentant character. His finances will also be under constant scrutiny so he can't deny knowing the value of the subject of his rants or hide income. He's quite likely never making money for himself again.
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In bankruptcy news, the new CRO has officially been appointed. He and his firm will be the ones running FSS. FSS is paying them $50k/month to do it, too.
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CharlestheHammer posted:It also helps that Alex is right now doing Sandy hook conspiracy theories so we will be back I guess Like, again, right now, on his show? Jesus.
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