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Salt Fish posted:Doesn't this just drop the rook? What's wrong about Qf6? Queen on a1 defends the rook on h8. 1...Qf6 2. Qd7+ Kb8 3. Qxd8+ leaves you down a pawn in the endgame
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poe meater posted:If i wanted to learn chess, should I use the chess or lichess app (or something else)? When you are bad (like me) it's good to learn from the lessons and things on those websites, but don't just play computers. Low level computers are bad in an entirely different way than low level people. Computers tend to do a bunch of smart things and then throw in insane blunders. People do consistently stupid things (and then throw in insane blunders) You're more likely to beat a human using a strategy you've learned that isn't necessarily the best but is higher than their level. A computer is more likely to block your strategy and then hang a queen. The former is going to teach you more than the latter. Both of those services will match you with humans just as bad as you, so a+. It'll take a while for the matching to get your level right.
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Glad you guys saw that discovered pin. I didn't get it right but the solution made me smile. Discovered pin and exploiting the single-coloured weakness of the bishop was :chefkiss: for a puzzle.Redmark posted:My hypothesis is that people rage at chess because of the stereotypical connection with intelligence. So when you lose you feel like you got outsmarted and that stings. That's definitely part of it, personally. That threshold where I cross from solid game to the blunder just instantly releases this strong disgust. Mental toughness is just another skill to work on in anything. I think some of the strong emotions tied to it can also be attributed to how much character each game has. It's like writing a story every time. You can show a player an interesting game they had a while ago and if they follow it move-for-move, they can definitely "feel" back in the seat again if that makes sense. So going from a great game to a massive blunder is like following an epic story where the hero goes to the bathroom, slips, hits his head and drowns in a urinal. It's an abrupt shift in emotional state.
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Oh, and a reasonable way to start is to watch a couple of lessons about basic rules and how pieces move, but not too many. Then play some ten or twenty minute games and do some puzzles. If you're losing on time, increase your time control. If you feel like you're rushing, increase your time control. You want to be able to think while you're learning. Once you feel like you're at a wall, go learn an easy opening like the London that will get you to the middle game without worrying and avoids all the beginner gimmick mates people will throw at you. Gotham chess has reasonable basic opening tutorials on YouTube. Don't learn a dozen openings. Learn one to get you started. At some point in there you'll get to endgames where you have a bunch of pieces but feel like you can't checkmate the other player. When that starts happening, go learn the two rook mate that'll work with two rooks or a rook and a queen and is the easiest way to mate someone. Then learn how to mate with a queen and a king. This covers any situation where you can get a pawn to the end. Those two will cover you enough to start.
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former glory posted:
I always have a game going with a buddy where you can take up to three days on a move. Realistically we probably don't spend more than five minutes on a move but it gives us time to leave moves until it's convenient. It's a special kind of irritation when you spend six weeks getting to a balanced end game and then hang your queen because you made a move too quickly because your bus stop was coming up or whatever. Also that long between moves makes the wait to text him about how stupid my move was incredibly frustrating. You need to wait until they move in case they miss the blunder (in which case you get to laugh at them too), but I immediately want to share the dumb thing I did.
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Thanks for the suggestions!
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I'd caution against the London. If you don't have any aspirations of chess improvement and enjoy the kind of game the London gives you, then sure go nuts. But if you do want to get better etc then the London is questionable. First of all your trading opening simplicity for middle game complexity. Kicking the can down the road instead of dealing with it. The London as an opening is the RTS game equivalent of saying "15 minutes no rush no attack" it doesn't fight for the centre, and it tries to avoid any kind of conflict for the first 10 moves. It exposes you to one, maybe two kinds of pawn structures and leads to very similar games over and over. It's not objectively bad or anything, it's like the French, it's own special weird case that happens to work ok. But I actively dislike it being touted as a newbie friendly opening, something that seems like may even be done because it's easy to explain it a reasonable length YouTube video than actively helpful. Again caveat, if you are more interested in just playing some games and doing ok than learning about chess and improvement then it's fine, do what makes you happy.
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I ran into this chess puzzle and cannot understand why the solution is what it is. The next move is 1. Nd5, followed by 1. ...Qxc1 2. Nxe7 which is where the puzzle ends. The top engine moves afterward are 2. ...Kh8 3.Rxc1 Rxc1 and if you keep going from there, white loses the knight with a pawn as compensation. Black stays up a pawn throughout the sequence, yet stockfish has this as the only winning line for white. I'm not sure what I'm missing.
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Baronash posted:I ran into this chess puzzle and cannot understand why the solution is what it is. The knight creates a discovered attack when it moves, so you should look at all the moves the knight has. By going to Nd5 white is attacking the bishop which is only defended by the queen, so if black would want to move his queen to evade the rook's attack then it needs to go to a position where it can still defend the bishop. However, if the queen moves to the d6, d7, or d8, then the knight would again be able to create a discovered attack by taking the other night on f6, with check, and black would lose the queen afterwards. As such, after Nd5 black can choose between losing the bishop (with check, and white will also be able to exchange his knight for the rook on c8), trading his queen for a rook on the d file after Qd8, Nxf6, Rfxd8, or trading his queen for a rook via Qxc1.
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Walh Hara posted:The knight creates a discovered attack when it moves, so you should look at all the moves the knight has. By going to Nd5 white is attacking the bishop which is only defended by the queen, so if black would want to move his queen to evade the rook's attack then it needs to go to a position where it can still defend the bishop. However, if the queen moves to the d6, d7, or d8, then the knight would again be able to create a discovered attack by taking the other night on f6, with check, and black would lose the queen afterwards. As such, after Nd5 black can choose between losing the bishop (with check, and white will also be able to exchange his knight for the rook on c8), trading his queen for a rook on the d file after Qd8, Nxf6, Rfxd8, or trading his queen for a rook via Qxc1. Right. I get what the knight is threatening with that move. I missed the puzzle because I saw that sequence and discarded it because it was an even trade that cost most of my major pieces. With engine assistance, I can see that making this move puts me in a position to eke out a slight advantage over the next 20 moves. I think I missed something about the position that would have made it easier to see that it was a good tactic. Baronash fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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At the start, black is up a pawn. At the end of the long engine sequence that trades everything off and reaches this position: the sides have equalized material and the engine thinks white has a huge advantage, probably because white still has a queen and black has a vulnerable king and bad pawn structure it's probably not a great puzzle to just show you the two moves Nd5 and Nxe7, but the puzzle creator probably spat it out because the engine sees this as the beginning of an extremely winning line even though what it's winning isn't a big material advantage
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Lex Fridman interviews Hikaru on his latest episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJNvxYEcVAY I haven't listened to it yet, but he's my standard podcast for all my runs and he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who is ~down with the Hikaru vibe~ Nearly 3 hrs- it must be fun.
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former glory posted:Lex Fridman interviews Hikaru on his latest episode: I've been listening to it off and on, it's pretty good. His with GothamChess a week ago was also very good.
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former glory posted:the hero goes to the bathroom, slips, hits his head and drowns in a urinal. I see you've been going through my game history.
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Sam Sevian Vs Hans Sam picks up Han's king off the board, decapitates it and then tosses it back lol https://clips.twitch.tv/AmericanHardCarabeefUWot-28dDCxGfGnWfHBnq
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lmao if it turns out that Hans was never cheating, he's just so goony that his opponents' brains break out of sheer rage apparently it was Hans's turn too?!
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https://clips.twitch.tv/TolerantBoldAppleSuperVinlin-0Cf8XDEZebL3fU10 This angle is even better. Sevian is goony enough in his own right that I can't tell whether he had an extreme mental lapse or is just ice cold.
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Salt Fish posted:Sam Sevian Vs Hans hahaha, I thought you were metaphorically describing Hans getting blown out. You were not.
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Truly bizarre moment. Hana seems fine about it in the post game interview so I think it was just Sam spacing out and doing something weird.
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Decapitating Kings (Also, the Chess Thread)
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Salt Fish posted:Sam Sevian Vs Hans Is that on hans' turn too?
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lol what on earth
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ilmucche posted:Is that on hans' turn too? Yes 
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they all hate him so much lol
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Can you buy the chess pieces they use at the US Chess Championship? They are dummy thicc.
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apparently he noticed the cross on the king was loose and suggested to have it glued???
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poonchasta posted:Can you buy the chess pieces they use at the US Chess Championship? They are dummy thicc. I think all the st louis chess club tournaments use similar pieces and they sell them after the tournaments for $2500 a set. I wonder if they will sell this broken set after the tournament. https://www.houseofstaunton.com/the-2021-sinquefield-cup-official-chess-pieces-the-pieces-used-in-the-actual-tournament-dgt-enabled.html Salt Fish fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Oct 19, 2022 |
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And for what it's worth, those pieces are a pretty classic design of the Staunton variety, I usually see them referred to as a "craftsman" set based on another variation that was sold decades ago. You can find many variants, they are largely made in India so you can order directly from some websites for about $200-250 for a good set. Just make sure you get one with a king at least 3.75 inches, pieces for a full sized chess board usually have 4 inch kings.
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I received this YT stream announcement through work. The link will be active at that time. Thursday at 1 PM EST, 10/20/2022 Authors: Bogumil Kaminski Title: Unpacking and reading the data for analyzing Lichess puzzles database with Julia Description: An analysis of the relationship between the chess puzzle difficulty and popularity, from fetching the data from the web and uncompressing it to building a prediction model and visualization with Julia. YT link: https://youtu.be/bYdflpkr9FU
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Thanks for sharing.
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former glory posted:Lex Fridman interviews Hikaru on his latest episode: at the end he's asked "you can be any person for 1 day, living or dead. who do you pick?" and hikaru gives the worst answer ive ever heard to that type of question: "i'd be elon, when the rockets were blowing up"
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that's completely in character for hikaru
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fart simpson posted:at the end he's asked "you can be any person for 1 day, living or dead. who do you pick?" and hikaru gives the worst answer ive ever heard to that type of question: "i'd be elon, when the rockets were blowing up" an answer so bad it's actually kinda impressive
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vyelkin posted:an answer so bad it's actually kinda impressive yeah when he said elon i started rolling my eyes but when he added on "when the rockets were blowing up" i actually bust out laughing
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That’s an incredible answer lmao
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The podcast he did with Magnus in August (so pre all the cheatgate stuff) is more interesting imo. Magnus is the best chess player who's ever lived and he doesn't even, in a traditional sense, study chess. He doesn't solve studies or do tactics training or analyse his past games. Reading between the lines it seems to me the big reason he doesn't want to play the World Championship (at least in its current format) is that is necessitates crazy deep preparation focused on just one opponent and Magnus hates doing that. He literally turned down working with Kasparov when he was younger because the first thing Garry did was ask him to analyse games he lost. It's kinda crazy that every single piece of advice anyone will give you to improve your chess - tactical exercises, opening prep, endgame practice, puzzles etc - the best chess player ever is like "nah, I'm good I'll just think about chess subconsciously whilst I play tennis with my buddy all afternoon".
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Most folks here have probably seen it, but Magnus did a video where another GM set up chess positions from different games, and he named the games they were from. He not only remembered a position from a game he played for a youth championship nineteen years earlier, but was also able to recall key moments from the game being played next to him during that tournament. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC1BAcOzHyY All that to say that when Magnus says he doesn't study chess, I think that means a very different thing to him than it would to most people. Baronash fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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