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Marshal Prolapse posted:Offhand what's the name of that short story? I'd like to give it a way. If one legion of twenty goes bad you can hush it up, especially if it happened on the fringes of the imperium. If half of them go bad at once and carve a path of bloody devastation across the galaxy to the steps of the Throne? You can’t cover that up even if you wanted to.
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Servitors come from a variety of sources, some are vat grown, some are prisoners or heretics or whatever. The mechanius military models are mostly vat grown irrc because that's why they are all huge muscle men. Cherubs are vatgrown and stitched together, often with the nervous system of a dog or cat. I dunno if that makes it better or worse.
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Oct 12, 2022 01:12
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There was an interview with an old GW writer who briefly discussed possible theories about the lost legions posted ITT a while back, I think
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Oct 12, 2022 02:19
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Offhand what's the name of that short story? I'd like to give it a way. The two lost legions were erased when the Imperium's power and control were at an absolute apex-- the Administratum was comparatively far better organized than the sclerotic organization it is in 40k, and the mechanisms for modifying the historical record were well established before the Great Crusade even set out. And presumably, the legions were destroyed on the periphery of what was the Imperium and didn't get the chance to rampage across the galaxy like the Heresy did. They also probably didn't rebel at the same time either; one of the early FW Horus Heresy books has a timeline of the centuries leading up to the start of the Heresy and has at least two redacted entries that seem to indicate that whatever happened to them happened separately. And depending on when the Legions rebelled, the populace of Terra and elsewhere might never have become fully aware of the II and XI Legions as separate entities because almost all of the legions that set out from Terra at the beginning of the Great Crusade were still clad in grey and had yet to assume their distinctive heraldries... and we don't know how much time their primarchs would have had with the Emperor either. I don't think that GW will ever spill the beans on them though, if memory serves recent statements from Dan Abnett and others have indicated that there are no plans to go further than teasing the odd reference.
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Oct 12, 2022 05:35
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That makes sense, but, and I should’ve been clearer myself, m I meant more in the few references they aren’t treated as traitors and there is a far more feeling of sorrow then anger or rage. Granted that’s based only on one or two videos I’ve watched. Notably the Oculus Imperia one. https://youtu.be/cOUK-Ctepsc
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Oct 12, 2022 05:55
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Their warpstuff spontaneously combusted during a teleporter accident and they spawned out. It was very embarrassing.
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Oct 12, 2022 06:07
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What little we know of the lost primarchs suggests that the others and the emperor were agreed that they couldn't be salvaged at all - and these were people who worked with Curze.
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Oct 12, 2022 06:19
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wiegieman posted:What little we know of the lost primarchs suggests that the others and the emperor were agreed that they couldn't be salvaged at all - and these were people who worked with Curze. Well one wonders if perhaps the memory wipe that the knowing primarchs underwent was something of a mercy. What if what the two erased primarchs did was rather mundane in comparison to what came later? One wonders if the surviving loyalist primarchs were aware that they had killed brothers and erased legions for things that paled in comparison to the actions of the Traitors how they might handle that, and the guilt that came with it. It might also be that the destruction of the II and XI legions and their primarchs are less products of what specifically it was that they did and more that because the Emperor and Malcador expected/foresaw at least some of the primarchs rebelling, they chose damnatio memoriae to try and stave off that rebellion for as long as possible. In essence, the Primarchs stepped outside of what was tolerable in some way-- obviously something more significant than "Hurry the gently caress up Lorgar, stop building churches and conquer the galaxy" and were killed (likely for Primarch II as Russ is said to have killed one) or imprisoned (there's that reference to Subject XI locked up in the cells under the Imperial Palace and watched over by the Adeptus Custodes. The intention was to send the message that the Primarchs and their Legions were built to conquer the galaxy for the Emperor, and deviation from that purpose would not be tolerated. The relative uncertainty of precisely what it was that they had done was probably intended to encourage adherence because if the survivors do not have any recollection of what it was that was unacceptable, they should (theoretically) be less likely to step out of line. Perhaps Guilliman and Dorn advocated for the mindwipes to spare themselves and their brothers from the guilt and shame of the entire thing down the road.
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Oct 12, 2022 08:07
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I mean there is a HH short story where Dorn gets really pissed at Malcador about having his memory wiped of the lost primarchs and Malcador is like "dude it was your idea" and restores his memory and Dorn says "oh poo poo, yeah can you re-wipe my memory I was right the first time".
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Oct 12, 2022 08:16
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D-Pad posted:I mean there is a HH short story where Dorn gets really pissed at Malcador about having his memory wiped of the lost primarchs and Malcador is like "dude it was your idea" and restores his memory and Dorn says "oh poo poo, yeah can you re-wipe my memory I was right the first time". Happens about once a week
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Oct 12, 2022 09:15
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Improbable Lobster posted:Happens about once a week Dorn had carved the message "DON'T BELIEVE HIS LIES" on his forearm before the memory wipe, but unfortunately his Primarch physiology healed it in like 15 seconds before he could even see it.
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Oct 12, 2022 10:29
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/12/kasrkin-the-cadian-elite-are-getting-their-own-novel/ This weeks Black Library announcement got teased in the reveal stream last weekend, Kasrkin by Edoardo Albert   Not too keen on that it's also going to involve Necrons on top of everything, will probably get the paperback in a year after having heard some opinions on the book.
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Oct 12, 2022 14:40
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/12/kasrkin-the-cadian-elite-are-getting-their-own-novel/ “Captain OBEY-ski” is certainly a choice for naming an IG character.
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Oct 12, 2022 15:08
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if the crons get their own book its good. if they feature in another book its bad. thats the space egypt robot rule of thumb given this rule of thumb cron books are the most consistently good books in whole of black library
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Oct 12, 2022 16:29
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/12/kasrkin-the-cadian-elite-are-getting-their-own-novel/ Awesome. He wrote Silent Hunters which was awesome and all his short stories have been great too. Looking forward to this one.
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Oct 12, 2022 17:57
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Offhand what's the name of that short story? I'd like to give it a way. Last Council is the one where Horus and Malcador have a row. Chamber at the End of Memory is where Dorn finds out the he and Guilliman asked Malcador to alter their memories.
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Oct 12, 2022 18:42
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Warden posted:Last Council is the one where Horus and Malcador have a row. Thanks! I'll have to pick them up later today. Shame they probably won't have audio versions, similar to A Night at the Museum with Trayzn, but eh first world problems.
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Oct 12, 2022 18:49
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Right now I'm listening to Hamilcar:Champion of the Gods. I know it's not 40k but it's a pretty good book, embellished a lot by the audio performance. It's acted (and written) how somebody suggested old Conan books should be, as if you're sitting at the fire with the subject of the book regaling you in the tale. I'm also working my way through John French's Ahriman series. Gives a very unique look at 40k (to me at least). Still am itching for some good Emp's children books (where they're not all crazy sadists), and hoping that we'll get an author who likes the Dark Angels.
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DaysBefore posted:The Krieg regiments are all clones too aren't they Possibly. It’s definitely implied that they have at least the same “father/s” but it’s never explicit if it’s a jango fett thing or “there us and old old breeding stocks kept in vials and all the troops come out of those various templates” Warden posted:Horus and Khan confronted Malcador about the damnatio memorio that was going to be done to the two lost ones, and Khan was found well after Guilliman. Yeah and we will never know fully outside maybe some hints. My guess is one of them fell into some like realm really bad xenos poo poo like some proto genestealers or something.
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Oct 14, 2022 11:02
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I bet one of them rejected human supremacy, or grew up witk Orks and turned green.
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it is super likely one went native with the xenos or at least thought them as equals. a primarch with such thoughts would be asking for massive civil war if the rest of the marines started following such philosophies
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Oct 14, 2022 12:15
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One of them was a socialist.
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Oct 14, 2022 13:46
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My personal theory is there were only ever 18 and the emperor made up the idea of there being 20 kinda like that old prank where you release chickens numbered 1-2-3-5 etc. Way easier to keep your irreplaceable-the-warp-in-a-flesh-bottle tools in line by telling them all they’re actually ultimately disposable with “evidence” of that being the case.
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IIRC aren't there some references to the II and the Ragdan Xenocide and Enslavers? I feel like I've read references that the just after Unity and prior to the crusade being launched/a thing the Lion and the 1st got sent out somewhere far away to deal with the Enslavers and it was a huge thing that seriously hurt the legion and at the same time the II was out there as well and caught the short end of the stick? Primarchs are big ol warp entities or whatever shoved into human bodies and have a very close connection so maybe the Enslavers got their hooks into the legion. e: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/90ln27/the_ii_and_xi_legions/ ^ heavy spoilers e: " Facing waves of attack from the galactic east and north, and suffering losses that would not be exceeded until the dark days of the Heresy, the wars of the Rangdan Xenocides were the most terrible of any yet fought. Whole Expeditionary fleets went to their deaths without a single survivor, worlds were laid waste, dozens of Titan Legions were obliterated and by the end, entire Space Marine Legions [REDACTED SECTION] lost to the Imperium " Waroduce fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Oct 14, 2022 |
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Brendan Rodgers posted:I bet one of them rejected human supremacy, or grew up witk Orks and turned green. I am now going to accept this as my personal truth. Legio XI "Da Boyz" wuz da best and 'ardest uv da 'umies. Almost as good as an Ork!
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habeasdorkus posted:I am now going to accept this as my personal truth. Legio XI "Da Boyz" wuz da best and 'ardest uv da 'umies. Almost as good as an Ork! Now I need to see some prototype models.
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Calax posted:Still am itching for some good Emp's children books (where they're not all crazy sadists), and hoping that we'll get an author who likes the Dark Angels. they are all crazy sadists, thats the canon like lookin for a conan the barbarian story in which he's a coward
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Oct 14, 2022 16:52
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Never read Conan the Craven then? TBF, it's a Sprague de Camp fix-up of a Bran Mak Morn story. 
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habeasdorkus posted:I am now going to accept this as my personal truth. Legio XI "Da Boyz" wuz da best and 'ardest uv da 'umies. Almost as good as an Ork! Now all I can think is green Homelander.
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habeasdorkus posted:I am now going to accept this as my personal truth. Legio XI "Da Boyz" wuz da best and 'ardest uv da 'umies. Almost as good as an Ork! The 11th legion because both Gork and Mork are number 1
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Oct 15, 2022 19:07
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Or maybe it's Mork and Gork. Doesn't matter.
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bob dobbs is dead posted:they are all crazy sadists, thats the canon Eh, more like looking for a story where Conan goes out and robs people. We know he's done it, but it's usually not something the story actually show to keep the audience interested. Consider Lucius, He seeks perfection in every fight, the perfect strike to get a kill in every duel. Anyway, we kinda went over this a few pages back so I'll just keep sitting here waiting for the end of the Siege of terra books to come out.
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/16/sunday-preview-battle-beneath-the-gnarlwood-in-a-new-season-of-warhammer-underworlds Next weekend sees the Dark Imperium collection, Mike Brook's Renegades: Harrowmaster and David Guymer's Grombrindal: Chronicles of the Wanderer go up for pre-order.
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Now that the Vault has both Badab War books, I'm very tempted to get the sub. It's one of the more interesting civil wars the setting's had.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Possibly. It’s definitely implied that they have at least the same “father/s” but it’s never explicit if it’s a jango fett thing or “there us and old old breeding stocks kept in vials and all the troops come out of those various templates” Have you read the new krieg book by Steve Lyons? It goes over the whole creation of the Death Korps of Krieg and pretty much unambiguously answers this question. It's Jurtens all the way down! 
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orphean posted:Have you read the new krieg book by Steve Lyons? It goes over the whole creation of the Death Korps of Krieg and pretty much unambiguously answers this question. It's Jurtens all the way down! yeah, that was my assumption, but i stick by my post lol. also i finally finished the book keepers skull and it kind sucked. it never really felt like horror outside some body horror stuff but that's standard Warhammer. i guess my issue is the story kinda just spins its wheels with a bunch of red hearings and then its just the servo skull of a dead murderer, that manages to kill like 20 people and rip them apart too. its like ok sure but like it feels like its going for "the lands cursed" but ehh. it feels eh.
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I gave War of the Beast a try and.....noped out. It's just so bad. Abnett tries to breathe some vim into it, but it never takes off and just feels like authors going "gently caress the Heresy, THIS is so epic guys!!" and basically just turning Orkz into Light Yagami with Necron ultratech.
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War of the Beast is generally accepted to be bad, yes. ADB obliquely admitted not wanting to write for it even though it was pretty much guaranteed sales and instead wrote his Grey Knights novel.
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They also came out during that era where GW thought it was a great idea to ramp up the grimdark in the setting to absurd levels. For... reasons. v v
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