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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1581019916395810816
Mats Ljungqvist, the prosecutor involved in Sweden's criminal investigation into the Nord Stream leaks in the Swedish economic zone, said Sweden was already co-operating with Denmark and Germany on the matter. He said Sweden had rejected the proposal for a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) from judicial co-operation agency Eurojust because a such a joint investigation would include legal agreements under which Sweden would have to share information from its own investigation that it deemed confidential. "This is because there is information in our investigation that is subject to confidentiality directly linked to national security," Ljungqvist told Reuters. He made his comment after a report in German weekly Der Spiegel on Friday that Sweden had rejected plans for a joint investigation with Denmark and Germany, citing German security sources. A Swedish Security Services spokesperson said the security police were co-operating closely with other authorities, also internationally, as part of the Swedish criminal investigation. German TV programme Tagesschau on German public broadcaster ARD said that Denmark, too, had turned down setting up a joint investigation team. Germany's federal police have completed their part in investigating an alleged act of sabotage on the Nord Stream pipelines and handed over their findings, said a German interior ministry spokesperson on Friday. Asked about reports that Sweden would not investigate together with Germany and Denmark, Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson told Reuters: "No, as I understand it that is not true. We are working together with Germany and Denmark in this issue." Eurojust says on its website a Joint Investigation Team is used in international cooperation in criminal matters, comprising legal agreement between authorities of two or more states for the purpose of carrying out criminal investigations.
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Rinkles posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1581019916395810816 Okay I confess. We did it. In order to get Germany to buy Swedish gas and oil, we blew up the Russian pipe. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Feliday Melody fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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Weird flex by Sweden imo.
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spankmeister posted:Weird flex by Sweden imo. That Simpsons scene with the Soviet Union returning, but instead it's Charles the 12th leaving his tomb to restore the Swedish empire. 
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Groinland. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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god please help me posted:Groinland. Somebody kick a football into it (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sucrose posted:But aside from some lovely lies about Nazis that only fool his domestic audience because he controls the media there, Putin doesn’t appear to have any ideological narrative to propagandize why he ought to conquer half of Ukraine, other than that it would make Russia look bigger on a map. And I really do think that’s a big part of why it’s all failing. Does he not have a greater narrative? He seems to mention how western values like LGBTQ+ rights are going to destroy their way of life. He seems to be using that as a wedge to unite African, Middle Eastern, and Eurasian nations, India, and China together against the west, to restore "traditional" values.
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https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1581161880248193025?s=61&t=yH9L13CAuOaGKQiCQg5M6g JFC if this is even somewhat accurate (…and given Russia’s performance in general and handling of field medical supplies up to now, that seems more than a bit plausible). 
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https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1581186207580819456 Great news if true, he hasn't posted on his TG for a few days now so it might be true. I really really hope the Ukrainians capture him.
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cgeq posted:Does he not have a greater narrative? He seems to mention how western values like LGBTQ+ rights are going to destroy their way of life. He seems to be using that as a wedge to unite African, Middle Eastern, and Eurasian nations, India, and China together against the west, to restore "traditional" values. That's just the sort of stuff peddled to the masses to get them riled up for a fight. The real grand strategy shows up in what those riled up masses are aimed at. And targeting Ukraine is just old school empire building. Farm land, water, workers, and access to the sea. It only seems strange that some one would have such old school motivation, but it would be very Russian of Putin that he strives for a legacy of increasing grain production and securing a warm water port.
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I always wondered what the deal was with Russia. Russia has vast amounts of land and natural resources, as well as people. Why is the whole system going to hell? Is it the sheer amount of incompetence and corruption that just erodes every joint of it, or what?
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Feliday Melody posted:Is it the sheer amount of incompetence and corruption that just erodes every joint of it, or what?
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spankmeister posted:Weird flex by Sweden imo. Joining NATO means having to participate in these kinds of things, doesn't it?
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cgeq posted:Does he not have a greater narrative? He seems to mention how western values like LGBTQ+ rights are going to destroy their way of life. He seems to be using that as a wedge to unite African, Middle Eastern, and Eurasian nations, India, and China together against the west, to restore "traditional" values. That’s a reactionary “ideology” of banal social conservatism. Feliday Melody posted:I always wondered what the deal was with Russia. Russia has vast amounts of land and natural resources, as well as people. Way too complex topic to be reduced to a single answer. It’s part corruption and part malice that drive many competent people away from decision making roles in the society, or the country itself. In crude allegory, you could think of Russia as a feudal country where no one gives a poo poo about what you could bring to the table, if you can’t pay up the fealty. Charlz Guybon posted:Joining NATO means having to participate in these kinds of things, doesn't it? Not really, so far it seems to be a civil investigation for Sweden, and joining NATO still leaves the option of using your military in national interests. It would be, e.g., weird to be in NATO and not share information about something causing trouble to another NATO member state, but the parties to it nonetheless can keep things to themselves. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:Joining NATO means having to participate in these kinds of things, doesn't it? Ironically. Sweden as a non-NATO member has participated more in NATOs campaigns over the last few decades than Norway as a NATO member has.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Joining NATO means having to participate in these kinds of things, doesn't it? No, while there of course is intel sharing and cooperation within NATO, intelligence and security services have always been kept a sovereign affair. spankmeister fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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Feliday Melody posted:I always wondered what the deal was with Russia. Russia has vast amounts of land and natural resources, as well as people. Short answer is a combination of petrostate curse on top of being a massive land empire in decline producing a throughouly corrupt and parasitic on itself system
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spankmeister posted:Weird flex by Sweden imo. They don't want to tell what anti-submarine surveillance capabilities they have/don't have because it would eventually end in Russian hands.
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There doesn't appear to be any uncertainty about who did the pipeline attack and the messaging for the last 7-10 days has switched around to reflecting that even though I don't believe that any conclusion has been publicly announced.
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It's kind of refreshing how clear the world has been against the Russian misinformation campaign. Everyone in power knows that Russia did it. And all the countries move with that in mind. Russia is winning the meme war and their social media puppets all act like the USA did it, but Russia faces the full blame in practise.
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Feliday Melody posted:It's kind of refreshing how clear the world has been against the Russian misinformation campaign. Everyone in power knows that Russia did it. And all the countries move with that in mind. Russia is winning the meme war and their social media puppets all act like the USA did it, but Russia faces the full blame in practise. Every so often I just think about how relatively lucky we are that Trump lost. In other contexts too but right now specifically in this context.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Every so often I just think about how relatively lucky we are that Trump lost. In other contexts too but right now specifically in this context. "Who knows who could have done it? It Could have been Russia or Germany or Ukraine or Sweden or an accident and I talked to him (Putin) and he said that.... you know and you know we can never be certain about these things so we need to be careful who we blame" As a pebble compared to the complete poo poo show any unified resistance and sanctions would have been with a meandering USA taking centre stage.
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Nenonen posted:They don't want to tell what anti-submarine surveillance capabilities they have/don't have because it would eventually end in Russian hands. This is my guess as well for the Swedish refusal to share. They either have high level intel about the sabotage through a source that they don't want to burn, or they had some form of eyes on it as it happened, but want to keep it a secret for any number of reasons. Or they don't want to let the world know they had 0 warning and anyone could come over to blow up some more underwater infrastructure without any real repercussions.
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Rinkles posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1581019916395810816 Considering various news that some German officials (including chief of their cybersecurity agency) have ties to Russia, they might have worries that their partners in investigation might be compromised.
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https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1580969312281833479 Bold move, we'll see if it works out for them. https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1580977873254776833
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Dwesa posted:Considering various news that some German officials (including chief of their cybersecurity agency) have ties to Russia, they might have worries that their partners in investigation might be compromised. About 95% sure it’s this, especially when it comes to Germany. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we hear more moles being outed from their security services seems Russia has been co-opting them since probably reunification. Remember Putin was in East Germany during USSR and probably had a lot of assets there.
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Rinkles posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1581019916395810816 I don’t really see this as a big deal or some kind of smoking gun. There are plenty of reasons various countries would want to withhold intelligence like this, especially when it comes to confirming or denying what capabilities or sources countries have access to.
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Dwesa posted:Considering various news that some German officials (including chief of their cybersecurity agency) have ties to Russia, they might have worries that their partners in investigation might be compromised. "Ties to Russia" sounds vague and ominous, but there really isn't much tying Arne Schönbohm to Russia. quote:If you take a closer look at the specific allegations against Schönbohm, there is not much left. He was the boss and founder of the windy lobby association "Cyber-Sicherheitsrat Deutschland e.V." - that much was already known before his appointment, which is why it caused some criticism of the new appointment to the BSI chief post. Years after he left this club, the dubious security company Protelion with suspicious Russian roots has become a member. Schönbohm can hardly be blamed for the fact that his successor as chairman of the lobby association did nothing to counteract this and made absurd statements about cooperation with Russia. However, the BSI never endorsed or even mentioned this company. https://www.heise.de/meinung/Kommentar-BSI-Affaere-Boehmermann-und-Faeser-saegen-an-Schoenbohms-Stuhl-7295281.html (original is in German) beer_war fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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am super hesitant to believe that they would actually do the Kyiv offensive again, I can see them pulling Russian soldiers out of Belarus to send to the front.
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OddObserver posted:I am a bit surprised you don't know this (but perhaps your username incorrectly suggests your background), but this sort of anti-black racism is not really the quiet part in the region (including in Ukraine) --- racism is widespread, and there is little social approbation towards this sort of statement. Thank you for making an informative post - just one thing, you mean reprobation instead of approbation, right?
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What kind of defenses do they have near Kyiv right now? I guess Putin's thought is Ukraine will have to pull troops out of Kherson to defend the home front?
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Phlegmish posted:Thank you for making an informative post - just one thing, you mean reprobation instead of approbation, right? Oh, you would be correct. How embarrassing.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:What kind of defenses do they have near Kyiv right now? I guess Putin's thought is Ukraine will have to pull troops out of Kherson to defend the home front? I guess so, that's how they accomplished the advances in the first place. That said, Ukraine can spare the manpower and Russia cannot.
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It sounds like the next stage of the Ukrainian offensive in Kherson is underway. "Heavy fighting" being reported in the Mylove direction.
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FishBulbia posted:I guess so, that's how they accomplished the advances in the first place. That said, Ukraine can spare the manpower and Russia cannot. The other problem is that the Russians have extremely long exterior lines. Need to get from Kherson to Belarus? Most troops are moved down through Crimea, over the bottleneck of the damaged bridge and then slowly up and around Ukraine. In comparison to Ukraine which can very rapidly move troops up to Kiev, anyone Russia pulls out of the line is out of the fight for a long time, leaving the front in a depleted state while they redeploy.
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Vox Nihili posted:It sounds like the next stage of the Ukrainian offensive in Kherson is underway. "Heavy fighting" being reported in the Mylove direction. Do you have a source? I was wondering which of the two fronts they would be focusing on next; sounds like it's Kherson, if confirmed.
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As Swedish military, personnel. About Sweden not sharing intel with Germany. When Russia first started the invasion of Ukraine. Sweden responded by placing tanks on Gotland. German state TV then accused Sweden of provoking Russia. Declaring it was a threat to Moscow. As far as the Swedish military and defence was concerned. It ran home two important points. One was that Germany was thoroughly compromised. And secondly. That Sweden should prepare to be fighting alone in case of a war. We always knew that compromised on a financial level, but this was Germany trying to influence Swedish national security on behalf of Russia. And it was considered a very big deal.
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