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ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

i say swears online posted:

yeah i think we may have the same blinders as when "haha we prosecuted your CEO, now your business will fail!" happened

from the paragraph immediately preceding the bit I quoted

quote:

The inward turn is also squeezing out foreigners — though not all of them, of course. The Party is happy to host certain skilled individuals, such as English language teachers and pet bloggers, who amplify its messages about how the Tibetan and Uyghur peoples have benefitted from Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. Equally, the few hundred thousand Southeast Asians toiling on its production lines are welcome to stay. But at the levels of business management and control, something significant is happening.

what I'm hearing is that the CPC doesn't worry too much about foreign immigrants who are ordinary people, but is increasingly hostile and persecutory towards foreign executives

a political party in the west which ran on this immigration platform would win in a landslide, but our societies and news media are run by and for corporate managers and have fully internalised the idea that they are the backbone of civilisation, so any country which doesn't value Business Managers must be committing national suicide

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skipmyseashells
Nov 14, 2020

america you nasty bitch

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

a political party in the west which ran on this immigration platform would win in a landslide

lol no we're really racist here

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

all the foreign capitalists parking some stuff in USA is not something the USA is going to reverse

if the USA is the safehouse of the world's rich and powerful its a strength for our own rich and powerful

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

China, like Japan, could probably benefit from welcoming foreigners with easy immigration rules but also like Japan they won't

only island nations (australia, taiwan, etc) or like Germany (I think?) realize more open immigration suppresses wages and gets them talent

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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Antonymous posted:

China, like Japan, could probably benefit from welcoming foreigners with easy immigration rules but also like Japan they won't

only island nations (australia, taiwan, etc) or like Germany (I think?) realize more open immigration suppresses wages and gets them talent

it's easy for tech workers to immigrate to japan.

not suppressing wages and fear of creating an economic underclass is a big driver for why japan limits immigration.

ppl like to write it off as racism or xenophobia or w/e, which does exist, but it isn't the primary driver behind it.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

Antonymous posted:

China, like Japan, could probably benefit from welcoming foreigners with easy immigration rules but also like Japan they won't

only island nations (australia, taiwan, etc) or like Germany (I think?) realize more open immigration suppresses wages and gets them talent

yeah I shouldn't have worded my post to sound like China is that welcoming to foreign immigrants, I just thought the article's hand wringing about xenophobia towards corporate execs was funny

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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lemme guess does this op-ed ends in 'but our democracy will prevail' steaming-tier takes

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Antonymous posted:

China, like Japan, could probably benefit from welcoming foreigners with easy immigration rules but also like Japan they won't

only island nations (australia, taiwan, etc) or like Germany (I think?) realize more open immigration suppresses wages and gets them talent

canada

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

immigrating to china as a tech worker or something is not hard at all if you have a degree and a company that wants you here. it’s just that most tech workers don’t want to do it and there’s a language barrier, but man legally it’s so much easier to move to china to work in an office job than it is to move to america or europe to do the same

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
This latest round of semiconductor law is very harsh, also I believe timed during the 20th congress so there is no immediate response. I heard some analysts said as harsh as some of the Huawei sanctions.

I think some of you are getting it wrong, the ban on the Americana citizens and not for US born Americans. It aims squarely at the Chinese Americans and Taiwanese Americans who went to US to acquire their engineering degrees, worked for US companied and applied for US citizenships, and recently went back to mainland to work for new Chinese fabs or started their small semi design business.

I heard there are about 200 of them in the business. I think this must be a conservative figure, because my impression is that the US semiconductor sector has huge numbers of Chinese Americans and Chinese green card holders. Chinese participation in US hardware business is as big as Indian in software business. Whenever you see a think tank zoom video of this subject, you always get 3-4 Asian faces with Chinese last names and 1 white guy former CEO from Qualcomm or whatever. Taiwan switched to pinyin style spelling 10 years ago, so its hard to tell from a glance whether a person is from Taiwan or mainland.

It's interesting how the US elites point their legal hammer instead to the US companies, to the individuals directly, basically the most educated segment of the Chinese immigrates. This is the continuation of Trump's injustice prosecution of the Chinese American college professors who do some projects with Chinese universities and "didn't report on the collaboration". I expect DOJ will go after some Chinese Americans who forget to stop 100% of their work with Chinese companies, or doesn't renounce their US citizenships in time.

The reason I use the phrase "interesting" is that these laws force the Chinese American professionals to immediately choose a side, it's beneficial to US in short term but its not necessarily beneficial to the US in media term. Think about it, you are a Chinese American who grew up in China and acquired the US citizenship in your 30s. You have conflicted allegiance. So US is forcing you to take a side, however if you renounce your US citizenship and get a citizenship in Singapore or whatever, you don't have to take a side, because China is not forcing you to cut the tie. You can still do business with US via proxies and third party vendors. Of course, I expect majority of them will cut their tie with China if they have family and children in US already. Another medium and long term fallout of this law is that the US will lost the future pool of aspiring engineering students from China. I guess the Biden admin doesn't care about that anymore. They won't even win the Nov. election.

edit, actually if you are a Singapore citizen and has a semi company based in Singapore, you can still do biz with US legally.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 14:39 on Oct 15, 2022

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
All the Chinese nationalist content creators love the new law.

Yes we will cripple the Chinese economy by cutting off their supply of *checks notes* people with STEM degrees who want to remain American citizens or permanent residents. They'll never recover from this.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
That might be something that directly affects my family though, and I'm pretty concerned.

THS2
Oct 2, 2021

Palladium posted:

lemme guess does this op-ed ends in 'but our democracy will prevail' steaming-tier takes

article is dumb and about how US technology sanctions against china are actually defensive in nature because of how hostile china is. this is because china is an evil authoritarian country. they have intentions of using chip technologies for “military-civil fusion” presumably in contrast to the US?? the US began sanctioning china and panicking because the US had no other choice. china might use chips for military purposes and to control their oppressed population, an incredible feat of projection

theres a throw away line about how the US and china need to cooperate on climate change and cyber terrorism, but its actually china that is ruining the possibility of cooperation (even though china is in favor of international cooperation, and doesnt require everyone they trade with to adopt their own economic and political model lest they face ruinous sanctions. or at the point of a gun if they seem easy to beat in lopsided wars to “open” their markets to western exploitation)

“Today, the U.S. and its partners lead, but China is determined to catch up — and we are now determined to prevent that. Game on.” friedman is channeling his Suck On This pomposity here. he also paints china’s power projection abroad as being “creepy”. i assume this is in contrast to the non creepy US which only kills millions of people in aggressive wars. those millions deserve to Suck On This for defying us

he then talks about how advanced chip manufacturing supply chains are dependent on the US, netherlands, germany, and taiwan. friedman completely ignores rare earth mineral extraction, of which china is far and away the top country in production of. china produces 4x the amount of rare earths as its nearest competitor, the united states. rare earth minerals are not mentioned once. i wonder why

the assertion becomes that it’s impossible for china to become self sufficient in chip manufacturing, that they will never catch up without buying equipment and expertise from the west, and that their progress so far is because they steal technology. also that taiwan has the best chip manufacturing because they can be subservient to the west and not steal

so, the typical hypocritical neoliberal pablum, and plenty of condescension toward anyone who isnt a westerner. non-westerners who Know Their Place and dont have any self interest, who dont get uppity, and whose only ambitions are to grease the wheels of us, the masters of the universe, are the only countries we can deal with. china will use chips to strengthen their military. in reaction the peace loving democracies must slow china down so their own militaries can maintain a technological edge

the conclusion is that china is militarily aggressive, very scary and a huge threat to the good guys, but also china is bumbling and inept. ignore that china is massive, is churning out engineers and scientists in astonishing numbers, has plenty of rare earth minerals to mine, and is going to have a GDP far past the US, germany, netherlands, and taiwan combined in the near future. why exactly china cant become self sufficient in advanced chip manufacturing isnt actually explained

its cope. every thomas friedman column is about how anyone not following the neoliberal model is doomed, and that only american defined notions of free trade (that we are allowed to break by sanctions and tariffs once the capitalists start pissing their pants) are sustainable. all his predictions turn out completely wrong but that doesnt really matter because his job is to tell western elites what they want to hear. friedman is still a great example of american hubris that rests, like many other western courtiers, on the now stale huffed fumes of the 90s post USSR imperial hegemony

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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stephenthinkpad posted:

edit, actually if you are a Singapore citizen and has a semi company based in Singapore, you can still do biz with US legally.

funny when the singapore govt recently gave a very public statement about 'will not tolerate any foreign power interfering with our sovereignty'

hmmph i wonder where can that threat come from

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005
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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
You are missing the Saudi flag poland ball.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012



"suddenly"'


tom went from "suck on this" to "we're fighting china AND russia now? uhh soooo THAT happened" he's really lost his mojo

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005
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Are there any reliable sources for updates on the new chinese government

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Oglethorpe posted:

Are there any reliable sources for updates on the new chinese government

and more specifically, does anyone have insight on whether xi will be re-affirmed in his current title? or is it possible they change his title to Mao's old one that hasn't been in use since? and what's the significance if so?

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

https://twitter.com/hikosaemon/status/1580734414862290947?s=46&t=YzHeM8cqWKIXb1oMICya6A

https://twitter.com/hikosaemon/status/1581171031351660546?s=46&t=X3PsrhzLhUVVaAuY4sKPNw

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011


I heard you need a million dollars to do this

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


my guy himosaemon sounds like a well read anarchist

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

i say swears online posted:

and more specifically, does anyone have insight on whether xi will be re-affirmed in his current title? or is it possible they change his title to Mao's old one that hasn't been in use since? and what's the significance if so?

Every source I've seen says that there is basically 0% chance Xi will not retain his current position, I dunno about title changes tho.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Every source I've seen says that there is basically 0% chance Xi will not retain his current position, I dunno about title changes tho.

yeah i'm not talking about him losing power, just a title change. its probably semantics but whether he'll be general secretary or chairman or both is affecting betting markets

https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7209/Will-Xi-Jinping-be-re-elected-CCP-General-Secretary-before-2023

if he's named chairman instead of gensec then this market resolves no and a whole lot of people lose money lol

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Every source I've seen says that there is basically 0% chance Xi will not retain his current position, I dunno about title changes tho.

I hear he was couped though

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

fart simpson posted:

my guy himosaemon sounds like a well read anarchist

As much as I enjoy a jab at the anarchists, my guess is this guy is just a conservative weeb from New Zealand or Australia (can’t tell the difference between the flags)

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Palladium posted:

"operate freely' is a weird way to spell 'entitled white privilege'

the chicoms heff ruined china

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

i say swears online posted:

and more specifically, does anyone have insight on whether xi will be re-affirmed in his current title? or is it possible they change his title to Mao's old one that hasn't been in use since? and what's the significance if so?

he will be one step closer to "dictator for life," some critics say

Goon Boots
Feb 2, 2020



Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
suddenly remembering the tokyo olympics https://world-flags.org/

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


Christ this makes me embarrassed

The chances of him being a fat sex pest are 100%

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

skipmyseashells posted:

america you nasty bitch

THS2
Oct 2, 2021



The most powerful man in China, The Guardian


The Guardian posted:

This week in Beijing, Xi Jinping will preside over one of his country’s great shows of political theatre and seal a long-planned political triumph, consolidating his power and extending his rule.

The Chinese Communist party is poised to formally hand Xi another five years as party boss, and therefore leader of the country, at a summit that will also move his allies into key roles and elevate the status of his writings on power and government.

The 20th Party Congress will – barring unprecedented last-minute drama – confirm him as the most powerful man in China since Mao Zedong, and probably enshrine him and his personal ideology in the party’s constitution.

It is an uneasy precedent. After Mao’s death, China’s elite vowed never again to allow such concentration of power, and set up an unofficial system of collective leadership, term limits and a retirement age for high office. It facilitated smooth transfers of power – until Xi took over and swept those norms away.

The son of a vice-premier, one of the “red princeling” descendants of the communist elite, his gilded early childhood was upended by his father’s fall from grace, then the violent upheaval of the Cultural Revolution.

As he manoeuvred his way towards ultimate power, many in China and beyond hoped he had inherited some of his father’s relatively liberal outlook, and the scarring experiences of his early years might have inoculated him against totalitarianism.

Instead, early chaos seems to have instilled an overwhelming desire for stability and control above all else, along with an unshakable conviction that he is the best man to deliver it for all China.

Over 10 years as leader he has tightened his personal grip on the Communist party, and the party’s grip on the country. He has weeded out rivals and enemies through anti-corruption purges, and cracked down on grassroots dissent by tightening censorship and surveillance.

Hong Kong, once a base for Beijing’s critics, has lost its democratic freedoms of speech and assembly, after Xi ended its semi-autonomous status.

In Xinjiang on his watch, authorities have created a vast network of internment camps, with indefinite detention, torture and other abuses which the UN says may amount to “crimes against humanity”.

This week is the moment when he will cement his control over all of China. More than 2,000 delegates to the meeting will represent nearly 100 million party members, and formally make decisions about personnel and plans for the next half decade.




The Guardian posted:

In reality they have been hand-picked to rubber-stamp Xi’s new term, and endorse an agenda and a new senior leadership team largely settled in months of behind-the-scenes wrangling.

The government has locked down Beijing and rounded up dissidents to try to prevent the carefully choreographed meetings from being even slightly disrupted, although a lone protester did briefly manage to defy security controls, set a bridge ablaze and hang a protest banner.

Even if the outcome is all but a foregone conclusion, the show of power, and pretence at unity, are politically vital to Xi and the party he controls.

“You could say the congress is mainly theatre but it’s not theatre alone, and it’s terribly important,” said Holly Snape, an expert in Chinese politics at the University of Glasgow. “It involves a massive amount of coordinated control.

“Even a powerful leader needs to garner ‘consensus’ (be it performed or genuine agreement) within the party. This is the moment when that ‘consensus’ – and therefore the ‘legitimacy’ of the leader inside the party – is confirmed and announced publicly.”

The week will not only be an endorsement of Xi’s continued rule, it is also moment when he will lay out his vision for China’s future.

A speech at the opening of the congress, and a “work report” presented at the end – officially covering all Communist party efforts for the last five years and plans for the next half decade – will give vital insight into where he hopes to take the country he now controls so tightly.

Chinese elite politics is opaque and rare speeches like this offer a vital glimpse of where Xi hopes his country is headed.

One of his themes in recent years has been the “great rejuvenation” of China. As part of that he is likely to offer further efforts on the environment, particularly for balanced rural development, an economic shift away from real-estate development, and technology advancement.

It has also meant a more aggressive approach on the international stage, including abruptly ending Hong Kong’s form of limited autonomy, militarising the South China Sea and overtly threatening Taiwan. On the democratically ruled island, fears are rising that Beijing may be considering stepping back from a long-term commitment to “peaceful reunification”.

“It is all but certain. Xi Jinping will serve three full terms at least,” said Victor Shih, professor of political science at the University of California, San Diego.

“[Great rejuvenation] could be the main theme in the party congress which would of course have repercussions on the economy – China will have to keep growing and militarily it has to get stronger, it has to be an increasingly influential power in the world. So then one does wonder if there will be a change of wording with regards to Taiwan.”

Xi’s step into the history books with a third term comes at a challenging time. While his personal position has steadily strengthened over the last 10 years, China’s fortunes have not followed such a clear upward trajectory.

His consolidation of power came with a serious risk to already battered national finances, said Sung Wen-Ti, a political scientist at the Australian National University.

“Another five-year term of Xi will likely mean greater state control of China’s hybrid economy, and China’s continuation of [a] ‘scorched earth’-like approach to maintaining zero-Covid for significantly longer than other countries,” Sung said.

The economy has been already damaged by the global pandemic, and the international isolation caused by Xi’s personal commitment to keeping Covid out, even as other countries get used to living with the new disease.

It has also been snarled up by bureaucratic over-reach of a party seeking to bolster control, and undermined by the weakening of ties with a world once far more broadly dependent on Chinese factories and products.

The Guardian posted:

Human rights concerns have spilled over into some supply chains, pushing companies to explore manufacturing elsewhere. Climate change is badly affecting China already. And an over-stretched real estate sector appears to be heading towards a crash.

Beijing has made clear that centralisation and control will remain at the heart of policy in Xi’s “new era”, political concerns about Covid come ahead of economic growth, and Xi’s new policy team are unlikely to challenge him as much as the outgoing officials.

“At this juncture, the most likely new economic and finance policy-makers are going to be Xi’s proteges and often Xi’s former secretaries,” Sung said.

“They have relatively little independent power base outside of Xi’s patronage, and are therefore strongly incentivised to exhibit loyalty over independence, leading to a closed feedback-loop and a policy-making apparatus with weaker capacity for course-correction before disastrous policy consequences manifest.”

China is likely to remain sealed off from the world at the very least until next summer when it is scheduled to host the Asian Games. Some opening up would be needed for them to go ahead, with zero-Covid rules likely to put off coaches and athletes.

Analysts will be watching to see if Xi moves away from the language of past work reports, which promised to seek a peaceful resolution to the “Taiwan issue”. Leaving out the reference to seeking a peaceful past would be a clear signal that Xi is seriously considering bellicose options.

“The vocabulary deployed in the official speeches will be an important weather gauge on how Xi has hardened his stance on Taiwan,” said Alessio Patalano, professor of war and strategy in east Asia at King’s College London.

Bringing Taiwan back under Beijing’s control is “absolutely a personal matter” for the Chinese leader. Fujian province, where he spent the best part of two decades, lies just across the straits from Taiwan. There are business and personal links, and it is the physical frontline.

“His political background meant that as a national leader he approached reunification with Taiwan with confidence. Today that confidence is a source of vulnerability as the prospect of peaceful reunification grows into question.”

Despite pouring huge amounts of money into modernising China’s military, foreign analysts believe it is not yet capable, in technical or strategic terms, of seizing Taiwan by force. An amphibious landing on a well-protected island is among the most ambitious of military manoeuvres, that requires close coordination between air, land and sea assets.



The Guardian posted:

But Beijing is approaching the moment when it may be possible. Earlier this year, the deputy director of the CIA, David Cohen, said that while China’s leaders – particularly Xi – would prefer a bloodless route to control of Taipei, they want the military to be capable of seizing Taiwan by 2027.

“It’s not good news if Xi can stay in power because he will definitely be more ambitious,” said Admiral Lee Hsi-Ming, the former head of the armed forces for Taiwan and its former deputy defence minister.

“He has already asserted his power, he will have a stronger intention to achieve the so-called great Chinese rejuvenation.”

Taiwan’s military and intelligence will not only be listening to Xi’s speech for clues about his plans for their island, but also parsing new appointments to the Central Military Commission.

Lee said those appointees’ “backgrounds and attitudes towards Taiwan” could signal Xi’s plans.

Recent Chinese military drills targeting Taiwan after a visit by US speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi were concerning. “They’re more assertive and confident about doing that kind of thing. Especially with some threats which we probably hadn’t focused on, like long range rocket systems … You can see they’re more confident about the political mission,” he added.

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Not everyone in the elite was happy about Xi’s hawkish stance on Taiwan, or absolutist approach to party control, but discontent was unlikely to spill over into the public eye this week, said Glasgow University’s Snape.

“The party regards ‘party discipline’ as paramount. Rules prevent any public expression of dissent or disagreement; the cost of even being perceived or painted as breaking the rules is too high.”

That doesn’t mean that Xi is guaranteed to rule for life if he wins another term, but his rise has left the party weaker. “One thing that is troubling inside the party is not just control on dissent, but the relative impoverishment of discussion,” Snape said. “There had been a real move towards greater policy debate and discussion inside the ruling elite, even if it remained an opaque process to those outside. Now toeing the line has become paramount."

THS2
Oct 2, 2021

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FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

didn’t the Vietnamese president do this last year? i wonder what the reactions for him were

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



It would be fine if they had a bourgeois popularity contest before hand, like Germany.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

THS2 posted:

Unlike many others, the Guardian has no shareholders and no billionaire owner.

hmmm

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

Slavvy posted:

The chances of him being a fat sex pest are 100%

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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

FrancisFukyomama posted:

didn’t the Vietnamese president do this last year? i wonder what the reactions for him were

his name is gently caress, the US killed half his family, and he was in charge of vietnam's covid response. he sounds cool.

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