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Maybe I'm just stupid but why not, say, end the trade war with China? All of it was executed via executive actions so it can be done immediately and the blowback from it hurts us more than them anyway Obviously it's too late now to make a difference but it's baffling the decisions being made even under the assumption that the dems govern in bad faith
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Oct 16, 2022 03:03
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Our leaders are incompetent buffoons elected by popularity contests
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Oct 16, 2022 03:29
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Our ruling elite is determined to fight Russia and China to the bitter end and there's nothing we can do about it. The coming decades are going to be all of us suffering the misery of those decisions.
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Oct 16, 2022 04:03
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Nothus posted:Our ruling elite is determined to fight Russia and China to the bitter end and there's nothing we can do about it. The coming decades are going to be all of us suffering the misery of those decisions. I hope china and russia win though
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Oct 16, 2022 11:50
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LastInLine posted:Maybe I'm just stupid but why not, say, end the trade war with China? All of it was executed via executive actions so it can be done immediately and the blowback from it hurts us more than them anyway because if we'renot permanently fighting some other then people at home might take a second to ask why all this money needs to go to weapons dealers instead of fixing literally anything in america but apparently there's some way that voting can solve this idk i'm not smart enough to understand democrats eternal wisdom
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Oct 16, 2022 12:28
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voting can solve this by destroying the democrats in 2022, inshallah
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Oct 16, 2022 13:11
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MLSM posted:I hope china and russia win though
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Oct 16, 2022 14:53
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republicans will keep running on the war skeptic platform like they did in 2000. then when they win they'll completely form PNAC voltron and paul wolfowitz will emerge fully suited from desantis' mouth
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Oct 16, 2022 15:05
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Zvahl posted:because if we'renot permanently fighting some other then people at home might take a second to ask why all this money needs to go to weapons dealers instead of fixing literally anything in america I mean, Ukraine exists... The trade war with China stands out because it actually costs rich people money. I'm not even sure I have an ideological problem with it. It runs counter to neoliberal efficiency and actively harms US interests so I could probably be talked into at least being fine with it. It's just strange that if the economy is going into the shitter no one thinks to remove a bunch of friction with our largest trading partner which directly affects the prices of most goods in the US during a period of rapid inflation.
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Oct 16, 2022 17:59
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western capitalists as a class want to destroy China because they see the existence of a strong communist state as an existential threat. they did the same thing with the Soviet Union, where selling things to or investing in a huge country that was industrializing ridiculously fast would have been outrageously profitable, just like it has been with china more recently. individual capitalists might want to defect and deal with the enemy for mad profits, but the anti-communist faction is in control of the state and strong enough to keep the detente faction mostly in line
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Oct 16, 2022 18:25
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I think American capitalists would be gunning for China if it was a liberal democracy somehow on the same economic path.
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Oct 16, 2022 22:33
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Weka posted:I think American capitalists would be gunning for China if it was a liberal democracy somehow on the same economic path. you cant be a liberal democracy and getting one over on americans. if you are one you are americas dog diplomatically
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Oct 16, 2022 22:36
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if china was run by liberals it would most definitely not be on the same economic path
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Oct 16, 2022 22:37
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Shear Modulus posted:western capitalists as a class want to destroy China because they see the existence of a strong communist state as an existential threat. they did the same thing with the Soviet Union, where selling things to or investing in a huge country that was industrializing ridiculously fast would have been outrageously profitable, just like it has been with china more recently. individual capitalists might want to defect and deal with the enemy for mad profits, but the anti-communist faction is in control of the state and strong enough to keep the detente faction mostly in line Obviously this is true but why were we fine with it up until 2016? The Soviets were never building all of our poo poo, China does. Also what's the goal here? Complete subservience to American interests in the same way as the EU? It's almost more likely to suggest that it will end up the other way around. I'd have just chalked it up to Trump being Trump but it's far less obvious to me why dems would hew to the same policy line.
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My opinion is that everyone either thought that china would forever remain an exploitable backwater, or that the collapse of communism in China was imminent. It was a mainstream view up until the early 2010s that as china got richer and richer it would inevitably become more and more capitalist, until, for example, the chinese middle class was big enough and strong enough that it would revolt and institute a liberal capitalist government. and, that the US opening up its market to China was accelerating China's transition to capitalism by helping diffuse capitalist business structures and sympathies. this is the kind of thing thomas friedman was saying for example. e: a lot of the xi as tyrannical strongman discourse is motivated by the belief that china was following this preordained course and was liberalizing until he became president and pushed out all the pro-capitalist deng-era people, turning back the clock to the cultural revolution Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 00:14 on Oct 17, 2022 |
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Oct 16, 2022 23:41
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Policy wise up until Xi China had been liberalizing I understand. I guess American leaders just thought all the talk about communism was window dressing, probably because they are so used to preaching an ideology in direct opposition to their actions.
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Oct 17, 2022 00:12
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I mean was Deng not explicit about how his reforms were temporary and in service of furthering the socialist project, not an end in themselves? it’s like being surprised that a team that tanks drafts a really good player. what the hell? I thought their plan was to be bad on purpose forever! drafting good players undermines their plan!
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Oct 17, 2022 00:29
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eSports Chaebol posted:I mean was Deng not explicit about how his reforms were temporary and in service of furthering the socialist project, not an end in themselves? it’s like being surprised that a team that tanks drafts a really good player. what the hell? I thought their plan was to be bad on purpose forever! drafting good players undermines their plan! deng was merely replicating singapore's cold war era economic strategy to the T
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Oct 17, 2022 01:12
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LastInLine posted:Obviously this is true but why were we fine with it up until 2016? The Soviets were never building all of our poo poo, China does. Also what's the goal here? Complete subservience to American interests in the same way as the EU? It's almost more likely to suggest that it will end up the other way around. I'd have just chalked it up to Trump being Trump but it's far less obvious to me why dems would hew to the same policy line. US China policy has been really schizophrenic since the US “lost China” in 1948. there’s still a huge split in opinion among US business interests
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Oct 17, 2022 02:57
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eSports Chaebol posted:I mean was Deng not explicit about how his reforms were temporary and in service of furthering the socialist project, not an end in themselves? it’s like being surprised that a team that tanks drafts a really good player. what the hell? I thought their plan was to be bad on purpose forever! drafting good players undermines their plan! that's not how americans understood it
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Oct 17, 2022 03:09
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eSports Chaebol posted:I mean was Deng not explicit about how his reforms were temporary and in service of furthering the socialist project, not an end in themselves? it’s like being surprised that a team that tanks drafts a really good player. what the hell? I thought their plan was to be bad on purpose forever! drafting good players undermines their plan! Isn't Joe Biden explicit about how he wants to support democracy and how it's bad to interfere in the elections of other countries and so on? My suggestion is that the constant lies engaged in by the west's leadership have conditioned them to ignore ideological statements as irrelevant.
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Oct 17, 2022 03:54
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Shear Modulus posted:western capitalists as a class want to destroy China because they see the existence of a strong communist state as an existential threat. they did the same thing with the Soviet Union, where selling things to or investing in a huge country that was industrializing ridiculously fast would have been outrageously profitable, just like it has been with china more recently. individual capitalists might want to defect and deal with the enemy for mad profits, but the anti-communist faction is in control of the state and strong enough to keep the detente faction mostly in line By the anti-communist faction you mean the intel boys right
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Oct 17, 2022 04:20
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Weka posted:Isn't Joe Biden explicit about how he wants to support democracy and how it's bad to interfere in the elections of other countries and so on? My suggestion is that the constant lies engaged in by the west's leadership have conditioned them to ignore ideological statements as irrelevant. This is certainly true and as far as I'm aware always has been. That is to say I can think of no example of a western imperial power ever taking another culture at its word if they claim to behave in any other way than a western imperialist would.
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Oct 17, 2022 17:55
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ron paul its happening
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Oct 17, 2022 17:56
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Can't believe those idiot voters care more about food prices than they do about non material concerns. Bunch of commies.
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Oct 17, 2022 18:00
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Mass shootings and abortion rights are material concerns. Too bad the Democrats won't do anything about them besides whine that they can't do anything about them
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Oct 17, 2022 18:38
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Yeah I was always skeptical that people would care about Dobbs 5 months later. If it had come right before the election maybe, but Dobbs came and nothing changed for most of the country (because Roe was already effectively dead long ago and red states had already hounded most abortion providers out) so why wouldn't the immediate fear and urgency be fading by now. Especially with Dems in full control of congress and the presidency yet unwilling to do anything about it. What would we be voting for, more twiddling in DC while Republican state governments get to pass all the laws they want?
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Oct 17, 2022 18:43
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah I was always skeptical that people would care about Dobbs 5 months later. If it had come right before the election maybe, but Dobbs came and nothing changed for most of the country (because Roe was already effectively dead long ago and red states had already hounded most abortion providers out) so why wouldn't the immediate fear and urgency be fading by now. Dobbs could have had an impact if the dems had kept the anger stoked but they don't believe in doing that so
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Oct 17, 2022 18:47
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I think Biden has said a handful of times that if they just get 2 more they can pass all these good things. But it's not shouted enough and more pointedly, who's going to actually believe it given literally all of recorded history?
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Oct 17, 2022 18:51
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wasn’t Biden supposed to codify roe or is my brain meting from being lied to too many times
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tangy yet delightful posted:I think Biden has said a handful of times that if they just get 2 more they can pass all these good things. But it's not shouted enough and more pointedly, who's going to actually believe it given literally all of recorded history?
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Oct 17, 2022 18:55
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spacemang_spliff posted:Dobbs could have had an impact if the dems had kept the anger stoked but they don't believe in doing that so Yeah maybe, I don't see how they could have kept the anger stoked if they weren't gonna even pretend to put up a fight though. If they passed Roe into law and the Supreme Court overturned that too they could rile people up, but instead they held a show vote, two of their own party voted against it, and they just went "welp oh well Manchin is our good friend and we respect his decision to hate women because he isn't a Republican: VOTE" right after they had pulled out all the stops to protect more anti-Roe Dems in the primaries.
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Oct 17, 2022 18:55
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once they lose the house he can change the tune to ill codify it soon as you deliver me 15 more house reps and insert senate reps
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Oct 17, 2022 19:12
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah maybe, I don't see how they could have kept the anger stoked if they weren't gonna even pretend to put up a fight though. I mean yeah basically like a party that could have turned dobbs being overturned into a political tailwind is a party that wouldn't have seen dobbs to begin with so it's kind of a moot issue I guess
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Oct 17, 2022 19:14
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biceps crimes posted:wasn’t Biden supposed to codify roe or is my brain meting from being lied to too many times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxiDZejZFjg
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Oct 17, 2022 19:29
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biceps crimes posted:wasn’t Biden supposed to codify roe or is my brain meting from being lied to too many times Obama was supposed to after 08 and then just decided not to. Biden is saying as soon as he gets 2 more senators he'll do it Halloween Jack posted:They will never ever ever say "If you give us the majority we need, we will pass a bill, and you can hold us to that." It's all "I will fight for affordable access to healthcare." They keep loving up and saying "give me just 1 more seat and I will do x on day 1" then uh don't and most sane people take that as the clear sign the fuckers are liars, but then you have dummies who will twist into pretzels to let you know that actually all serious adults knew Biden couldn't actually do what he said he was going to do, so really it's your own fault for trusting him.
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Oct 17, 2022 19:37
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spacemang_spliff posted:I mean yeah basically in Minnesota every ad during football games seems to be for the governor’s race, the ads for the incumbent democratic governor play his opponent’s support for making abortion illegal, the Republican candidate’s ads attack him on law and order including this https://twitter.com/drscottjensen/status/1580296793337864236?s=46&t=5kEnmx_oebTZmWV_eW2R_g
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hobbesmaster posted:in Minnesota every ad during football games seems to be for the governor’s race, the ads for the incumbent democratic governor play his opponent’s support for making abortion illegal, the Republican candidate’s ads attack him on law and order including this In Ohio, we get Tim Ryan vs. JD Vance. JD Vance ads are all "Tim Ryan wants to defund the police!" Tim Ryan's ads are all "watch me give the police a big sloppy blowjob and throw a football"
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