some plague rats posted:

absolutely malding

bebop esq posted:

gently caress off to your other lil thread

turn on your monitor

pentyne posted:

sorry, what about the UKMT's charity report is a problem?

Plinkey posted:

um it's jeff's lawyer so they kinda knew what was going on

e: basically i have a bunch of paperwork to fill out/read later today, need to set up a PO Box and some other admin poo poo, but I should be able to file as a PA 501-3(c) by the end of the month, then get a board together, write some bylaws and poo poo and find an accountant

pentyne posted:

What happened with this? Are there any problems with setting up a charity that aren't widely known? What were the costs going to be if it was too expensive?

Azathoth posted:

I am going to be as clear as I can about this. If you post again in this thread for the next week, you're gonna get a 24 hour probe for every post you make. If that doesn't work, I will step up to longer probes. You need to leave this thread immediately.

Plinkey posted:

Plinkey posted:

Azathoth posted:

Plinkey, you running into the other thread and being a surly rear end in a top hat then coming back here and trying to use my warning in a different thread to evade accountability in your own thread is really not helping your case. Also, that post only applied to the other thread, not this one. You should be answering people's legitimate questions.

Folks in this thread, this fund has done a lot of good, I would ask folks who have legitimate things they would like Plinkey to answer to post them here and leave the shitposting out of it. There's reasonable things to hold Plinkey accountable for and people who need help from his fund. Please don't interfere with either of those things.

Azathoth posted:

Plinkey, you running into the other thread and being a surly rear end in a top hat then coming back here and trying to use my warning in a different thread to evade accountability in your own thread is really not helping your case. Also, that post only applied to the other thread, not this one. You should be answering people's legitimate questions.

Folks in this thread, this fund has done a lot of good, I would ask folks who have legitimate things they would like Plinkey to answer to post them here and leave the shitposting out of it. There's reasonable things to hold Plinkey accountable for and people who need help from his fund. Please don't interfere with either of those things.

Hot Karl Marx posted:

You do know people keep calling him a degenerate gambler and other personal insults and nothing has happened to them right?

Plinkey posted:

Azathoth, i would like you to answer to this, it's a personal attack on me and what i've done for almost 4 years

Azathoth posted:

My dude, operate a charity fund where you specifically treat anyone asking for accountability with sneering contempt. If you're not going to make even the barest minimum effort to not look shady as hell, you shouldn't be surprised when people assume the worst about you.

Either address the legitimate calls for reasonable transparency, something with another fund on this website operated the same way manages, and which a second fund (whose thread you decided to poo poo on this morning) is trying to do, or deal with people calling your character into question. Simple as.

Azathoth posted:

My dude, operate a charity fund where you specifically treat anyone asking for accountability with sneering contempt. If you're not going to make even the barest minimum effort to not look shady as hell, you shouldn't be surprised when people assume the worst about you.

Either address the legitimate calls for reasonable transparency, something with another fund on this website operated the same way manages, and which a second fund (whose thread you decided to poo poo on this morning) is trying to do, or deal with people calling your character into question. Simple as.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

If you look at the most recent post in the other thread, it's starting to seem like if plinkey wanted to run this like the UK fund (e.g., above the board) he'd need at least 1 full time certified accountant to keep it straight.

Even just skimming the IRS documents make me feel pretty drat certain that other fund is not gonna be able to get off the ground without money coming in to bootstrap the organizational infrastructure.

Azathoth posted:

My dude, operate a charity fund where you specifically treat anyone asking for accountability with sneering contempt. If you're not going to make even the barest minimum effort to not look shady as hell, you shouldn't be surprised when people assume the worst about you.

Either address the legitimate calls for reasonable transparency, something with another fund on this website operated the same way manages, and which a second fund (whose thread you decided to poo poo on this morning) is trying to do, or deal with people calling your character into question. Simple as.

redneck nazgul posted:

my dude, do you really think any of this was brought up in good faith?

the damage is already done. the other fund is already working themselves to accept 20% overhead--huh, that's the patreon cut that's unacceptable here.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

If you look at the most recent post in the other thread, it's starting to seem like if plinkey wanted to run this like the UK fund (e.g., above the board) he'd need at least 1 full time certified accountant to keep it straight.

Even just skimming the IRS documents make me feel pretty drat certain that other fund is not gonna be able to get off the ground without money coming in to bootstrap the organizational infrastructure.

1stGear posted:

It would be easier to accept the criticisms of Plinkey if some posters weren't breathlessly running back and forth from this thread to PYF to shout "MODS APPROVE OF SCAMMING GOONS C-SPAM ARE A BUNCH OF STUPID TANKIE RUBES PLINKEY IS DEFINITELY WASTING ALL THE MONEY ON GOLDBELLY"

City Slicker posted:

The flipside of that means that the fund - as it stands - may be operating illegally and exposing Plinkey to a huge personal tax liability.

In previous posts, he has claimed he has been paying this on his personal taxes? It would be good to confirm if that's the case.

Even if it takes a bit more work (though I doubt it's the work of a full time accountant beyond the initial setup), it might be worth doing this properly to safeguard future of the fund? Otherwise, the whole thing could come crashing down when the IRS comes knocking - which it may very well do once Patreon starts reporting earnings directly.

Azathoth posted:

Then he needs to figure out a way to have basic accountability without that. There's plenty of mutual aid funds, food shelves, and other small charitable projects that can and do make it work with funds at or below what he takes in. He's been offered help from multiple people on this front, he should take any one of those people up on it.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

He's claiming it as income and probably just disbursing the money through whatever digital means as a gift. That gets him past the distribution tracking and uncle sam doesn't give a poo poo because he's getting his beak wet.

Doing poo poo tax-free is not surprisingly more onerous for everyone involved.

Plinkey posted:

i talked to Jeff, next month I'll post a public spreadsheet

Schir posted:

it feels weird that plinkey posted this like an hour ago and then everyone keeps saying he's continuing to refuse to address the concerns people have about transparency

Schir posted:

it feels weird that plinkey posted this like an hour ago and then everyone keeps saying he's continuing to refuse to address the concerns people have about transparency

Epic High Five posted:

Plinkey is right to be mad, he's had a whole mountain of poo poo piled on him and been dragged through the dirt across the forums with people making all kinds of made up claims that are then just accepted as true instead of as the baseless accusations they are. I was a day 1 supporter of the fund and have continued to support it to this very day, it's wild that the whole thing just got soft taken down by people "concerned" about "transparency" who are now talking themselves up to the unfortunate necessity of keeping all the personal info on recipients despite not even having something anybody can donate to yet.

Plinkey I'm sorry, this sucks but you did great work that apparently fewer people appreciated than I had thought. Once the ideas guys get bored of the idea of a new fund and move on or end up not agreeing on anything I hope this one still exists for anybody who needs it. Furious at myself at my step away from SA and modding coinciding with all this and I only found out from an already locked QCS thread.

No accusation against him has even been substantiated beyond the people making them not being punished, what questions are left to ask? New fund doesn't want anything to do with this one beyond its donor rolls, interference isn't even possible. I hope they're prepared for the standing committee or whatever to come under the microscope of bored QCS goons on a weekend and it turns out they're all probable embezzlers with drug problems.

Schir posted:

it feels weird that plinkey posted this like an hour ago and then everyone keeps saying he's continuing to refuse to address the concerns people have about transparency

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Also not cool that Az is perpetuating insinuations with the authority of his position in spite of that

Azathoth posted:

My dude, operate a charity fund where you specifically treat anyone asking for accountability with sneering contempt. If you're not going to make even the barest minimum effort to not look shady as hell, you shouldn't be surprised when people assume the worst about you.

Either address the legitimate calls for reasonable transparency, something with another fund on this website operated the same way manages, and which a second fund (whose thread you decided to poo poo on this morning) is trying to do, or deal with people calling your character into question. Simple as.

Azathoth posted:

My dude, operate a charity fund where you specifically treat anyone asking for accountability with sneering contempt. If you're not going to make even the barest minimum effort to not look shady as hell, you shouldn't be surprised when people assume the worst about you.

Either address the legitimate calls for reasonable transparency, something with another fund on this website operated the same way manages, and which a second fund (whose thread you decided to poo poo on this morning) is trying to do, or deal with people calling your character into question. Simple as.

Azathoth posted:

It will be good and do a lot to address concerns when he does that. I hope he follows through with that and doesn't just not do it, like when he said he was gonna set up as a proper charity a couple years ago and then didn't do that.

Azathoth posted:

It will be good and do a lot to address concerns when he does that. I hope he follows through with that and doesn't just not do it, like when he said he was gonna set up as a proper charity a couple years ago and then didn't do that.

Azathoth posted:

It will be good and do a lot to address concerns when he does that. I hope he follows through with that and doesn't just not do it, like when he said he was gonna set up as a proper charity a couple years ago and then didn't do that.

VideoKid posted:

He said he looked into it and it would take up a ton of time and money.

Zeron posted:

It'd be a lot easier for things to cool down if an Admin wasn't condoning and calling for unsubstantiated personal attacks against a specific poster. Plinkey literally came back after all of this had happened and has spent posts after that addressing peoples concerns, with remarkable constraint considering the harassment you've personally supported.

Azathoth posted:

It will be good and do a lot to address concerns when he does that. I hope he follows through with that and doesn't just not do it, like when he said he was gonna set up as a proper charity a couple years ago and then didn't do that.

bebop esq posted:

He did state multiple times (I think) that he talked to a lawyer about setting up a charity and was told it was basically not worth it since the donations would be considered "gifts" under a certain amount. Plinkey can clarify further of course.