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FlamingLiberal posted:I really need to get on this grift already God, it would be SOOO easy, wouldn't it? I bet goons could collaborate and actually build a website that MAGA's would think was real. Or goon rush a Q website enough for people to think we were legit. I've been tempted to do it myself because all you really need is a good wholesale supplier of cheap flags and bibles along with a stock photography account for photos of guns, marines, jesus and eagles and poo poo. If you write a book or post articles online, no one's gonna fact check anything or care if your writing sucks. If you strike lightning with it, you can get by on the publicity front by just going on shows and podcasts that will lob you softball questions and not question your sources. If you get bad reviews, just claim liberal media bias and holler about Soros and socialism. Then point to your bank account and ask who's the idiot. Look at Dinesh D'Souza, who's never made a decent movie in his life and is a font of lies. Or, a better example, Mike Lindell; who figured out a way to revolutionize pillow technology by slapping an american flag on it, advertising heavily on FOX and radio, is now exploring how many more products he can exploit by adding the word "MY ___________" in front of them and is currently still getting people to listen to his opinions about...anything at all...between lines of adderall. These rubes think he's an american patriot and a genius business man. I suppose he is, actually. At least regarding the last part. Who do you guys think are the ones that aren't true believers but more figured out there was money to be made here? Ann Coulter comes to mind. I think most of the mega church TV preacher guys know they're entirely full of poo poo. I have to think that some of the more mainstream names just figured out a way to butter their bread and would probably shill for and say anything positive about any product that paid them for it but some of them have to KNOW it's a con. A very lucrative con.
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Coulter for sure. Tucker maybe but the fact that he leans into the white supremacy so hard makes me think he’s at least part true believer. Dinesh for sure. As always I’ve decided it doesn’t really matter whether these people actually believe what they are spewing. The result is the same. Ethically it might be worse if they don’t believe any of it.
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Kurt Vonnegut's novel Mother Night explores that idea. It's a good read.
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BiggerBoat posted:We haven't had a Bill Maher derail in a while so... i find it funny that chuds are still acting like its 2014/15/16 when that poo poo was loud enough to influence folks, but now then trump ripped the mask off and its like mostly chuds bitching loudly the most about loving every tv show/video game/etc. like sure lol some dumb twitter poo poo or hot take happens but 90% of the time its some 40 year old chud shrieking about how little mermaid is black for 5 hours. the gop in their own stupid bullshit killed any workabilty of their gross poo poo because they never shut the gently caress up and constantly over reach or go open cruelty.
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Zwabu posted:Coulter for sure. Tucker maybe but the fact that he leans into the white supremacy so hard makes me think he’s at least part true believer. Dinesh for sure. Tucker seems like a follow the money type for sure but then we get into the abyss staring back at you territory and the whole thing where you become what you pretend to be and poo poo. You eventually buy into it and become it. I'm honestly surprised that no one went for the long con and garnered a huge flock of followers before eventually pulling the mask off and being all "haha, suckers! I can't believe you fell for that bullshit!" If I were to try my hand at it, that'd be my angle. That way I could have TWO careers, maintain my intergity, expose this RWM con and have a veritable vault of interviews and Tweets where these idiots went from kissing my rear end to calling me a baby eating commie Soros agent. Then I could sell books to the other side of the politicals spectrum once FOX turned on me. Along similar lines, one thing I always wanted to try was to go deep undercover into an Amway MLM cult and document that poo poo but, god drat, it would cost me thousands of dollars just to buy my way up to Diamond level and I'd need to max out my credit cards. Also, I've heard that the people into that poo poo are wide to it and suspicious of people trying it and the industry is rife with non disclosure agreements and things so I imagine it'd be hard to pull off.
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BiggerBoat posted:Tucker seems like a follow the money type for sure but then we get into the abyss staring back at you territory and the whole thing where you become what you pretend to be and poo poo. You eventually buy into it and become it. I'm honestly surprised that no one went for the long con and garnered a huge flock of followers before eventually pulling the mask off and being all "haha, suckers! I can't believe you fell for that bullshit!" i think tucker probably believes alot of the poo poo now or at least much like thiel pretends to believe in some "higher ideal" of lovely facism but is fine playing the Julius Streicher to thiel's Alfred Rosenberg. that being said, i think people inflate thiels scaryness, dudes small fish in rich guy circles and is basicaly hope to make weird trad freak poo poo mainstream by picking up burned out ex-dirtbag lefties.
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I think there's a good reason why anyone left of center has never been pulled off faking right-wing grifting. People like Rush Limbaugh and Rupert Murdoch are sincerely conservative at their core. Even if there was more money in criticizing things from a left-wing point of view, they would still have built their media empires up around a right-wing point of view because that's where their politics already were. Which also makes them comfortable with the damage to society that they've wrought, even if they're not true believers in the bullshit they produce. You don't have to be a true believer in poo poo like Qanon, but you're never going to get far into the grift machine if you aren't already on the right-wing side of the fence. Stephen Colbert on The Colbert Report or the writers at the Onion can say all kinds of outlandish poo poo for laughs, but they can't establish any legitimacy with the right-wing because the people behind that media don't actually hold those politics. No right-wing nutjob is ever going to shoot up a restaurant because the Weekly World News said that Bat Boy is being held captive in the basement by the CIA to prevent him from exposing that Joe Biden stole the election, because the politics of the people writing it would never let things get out of hand in the first place.
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I mean, they’re cruel, they’re selfish, and they feel they have the right to dominate the weak. That’s conservatism. I agree that belief or nonbelief of specific factual claims about covid or qanon doesn’t strike at the core of what it means to be conservative, although I guess maybe there are people who listen to reactionary media and become reactionaries because they believe those claims to be true.
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Even if Biden is doing things (and let's just assume the things are completely good with no room for complaints, just for the sake of argument) the problem is Dems don't have a unified message like the GOP does. Another big issue is that they're rallying around their figureheads, while the Dems seem to mostly be avoiding Biden. Republicans are going hard on the unified message of "The economy is in shambles, Americans are suffering due to rising prices, and Dems' soft on crime policies are making the country more dangerous!" Every single GOP candidate is saying these things. They're all united in this. Meanwhile what are Dems doing? A lot of them are doing their own, different things. It's difficult for them to campaign on fixing the economy because Biden refuses to get rid of Powell, who is absolutely making things worse. It's hard for them to campaign on police reform or trans rights because it plays into the GOP talking points about defunding the police and making it easier for trans women to attack people's daughters/wives. So it mostly seems like Dems are just doing the whole "The other guy is extremist and bad, you don't want this extremist bad person in charge" thing which seems like it isn't working. Anything can happen in the next couple of weeks but if the predictions hold the Dems are going to lose badly in the House and will only barely hold on to the Senate. There's the overturning Roe thing but Dems aren't unified in saying "Yes, we will enshrine abortion rights into federal law" either, and I hate to say it but abortion rights are one of those things that doesn't seem like it's going to matter to the average person, at least not more than food/gas prices and "rising crime." This is where the GOP's massive media advantage comes in. All the right wing places are saying the same message, while the mainstream ones are too busy worried about portraying every election as a horse race and saying things like "Yes the Republicans want to make it legal to shoot immigrants on sight but Fetterman needs to read a teleprompter so it seems like both sides have problems." So ultimately it kind of doesn't matter even if Biden has done good things, I'm not saying it's bad for him to do them (he should do more of them and make them more actually good), because what matters more is Dems should be unified in supporting those good things and being very loud about how they think those things are good. Though, also, it might just be more a manner of circumstance than issues. Plenty of people out there who are going to think "Economy bad, Dems have been in power, therefore Dems are messing it up, Republicans will do something different which might fix it." Even if it's more complicated than that, that's just how some people perceive it (and to be fair they're not entirely wrong that the Dems have been messing it up, it's just that the Dems have been messing it up by implementing right wing policies).
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Twelve by Pies posted:Even if Biden is doing things (and let's just assume the things are completely good with no room for complaints, just for the sake of argument) the problem is Dems don't have a unified message like the GOP does. Another big issue is that they're rallying around their figureheads, while the Dems seem to mostly be avoiding Biden.
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selec posted:I gotta be honest BiggerBoat, the flaw in your worldview is that Dems are offering anything. As always, this starts out with "they don't offer anything" or "they're exactly the same" and then gets moved to "they don't offer enough" or "they're not different enough". Cool.
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Hey Goons, Not a regular of this thread but a colleague of mine who I had always taken as largely centrist was just talking about how he "has never seen an opinion from Jordan Peterson he disagrees with". Now I'm no expert but i recall JP has some self help type stuff which isn't particularly bad or good. I'd like to think that's all my colleague has seen. For myself, I've long since gotten the vibe from the discourse around the man to steer clear. As such however I don't really have any concrete examples of heinous stuff that he's said or done. Is there a handy shortlist somewhere or could you provide some examples? Or if he's not as bad as I think, that would also be nice to hear though call me cynical I think that rather less likely...
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This should start you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqZdkkBDas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
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What drives me bonkers is how stupid people like Bill Maher are. They act like people who vote Republican don't just want evil things - they aren't rejecting Democrats they were never going to vote for Democrats ever. Also what loving socialism they couldn't even pass a moderate bill like Build Back Better. What loving weirdos it's the GOP nominating all the weirdos. The most conservative option won the primary and is now president. Whenever a progressive tries to primary a centrist Democrat the party fights for the worse incumbent even when it's someone who in a saner era would be a Republican. This is separate from the issue of Democrats not delivering - they'd be doing much better if they were actually doing the poo poo Maher is whining about the Walker supporters supposedly rejecting.
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FlamingLiberal posted:People still use Parler? Parler's CEO is Candace Owens's husband so I'm sure she grifted him.
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1577421981535784961?t=zhUErRXCYQNO78Oy_bqmig&s=19 But what about Woke Wars 1 and 2?
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1577421981535784961?t=zhUErRXCYQNO78Oy_bqmig&s=19 God this article sucked. How can anyone seriously advocate peace with Russia on Russia’s terms? Russian has demonstrated time and again that they can’t be trusted to respect a peace agreement, why the gently caress would Ukraine compromise now that they have Russia on the back foot?
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Panfilo posted:https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1577421981535784961?t=zhUErRXCYQNO78Oy_bqmig&s=19 That headline is a war crime. Lawdog69 posted:God this article sucked. How can anyone seriously advocate peace with Russia on Russia’s terms? Russian has demonstrated time and again that they can’t be trusted to respect a peace agreement, why the gently caress would Ukraine compromise now that they have Russia on the back foot? Makes sense when the party you're affiliated with has very few platforms except "accept your russian paychecks".
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LOL, smearing Elon Musk, someone who did something blatantly wrong and likely illegal (Logan Act) and then doubled down on it with stupid 'imma take my ball and go home' whine that he meekly walked back a few days later, is equivalent to wishing for WWIII. These people just can't admit they're wrong ever no matter what and then they just escalate and escalate until it's so absurd that everyone just ignores it.
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Lawdog69 posted:God this article sucked. How can anyone seriously advocate peace with Russia on Russia’s terms? Russian has demonstrated time and again that they can’t be trusted to respect a peace agreement, why the gently caress would Ukraine compromise now that they have Russia on the back foot? If you ask people like this guy, point blank; "why should we trust Russia after years of showing they can not be trusted?" He'll never be able to answer. They can't back up anything they "support". It's all argumentative performance.
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If your ideology leads you to the point where you think neocons and the far left are joining forces against you, maybe evaluate exactly how much rancid donkey dick your ideology sucks and do some soul searching. At that point you're really, really far in to "all I keep running in to all day is assholes, am I the rear end in a top hat?" territory.
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I think I need a refresher on what the dictionary definition of neocon . like the last time I heard it seriously used was during W or Newt. but then they just shorten and described themselves as conservatives. oh and then they rocketed to the crazyness we have today.
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You love to see it https://twitter.com/trackinflation/status/1582037239718383616?s=46&t=DmL8mne-lnGXts--ZlxJpA
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FlamingLiberal posted:You love to see it Tweet taken down, what was it?
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ZZT the Fifth posted:Tweet taken down, what was it? Parler sent an email communication out about Kanye buying it, but they didn't BCC the recipients so just essentially doxxed their users. Tweet guy should've blurred the addresses out in the screenshot though. I'm guessing that's why it was taken down.
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I can’t help but think that the only people these guys are catering to with hot takes like “the far left and neocons are the same” are just straight up morons. So weird to see the R attitude toward Russia snap from “eternal enemy” to “ally” over the course of like 10 yrs of Russia meddling with our elections. Then Russia takes a steaming dump on Ukraine and now they are bending over backwards promoting appeasement and compromise like “maybe if Ukraine just agrees to give up 30% of their territory Russia won’t come back for the remaining 70% in 10 years.”
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ZZT the Fifth posted:Tweet taken down, what was it? Different tweet about the same thing https://twitter.com/AdamRy_n/status/1582046142707007494
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Groovelord Neato posted:Parler's CEO is Candace Owens's husband so I'm sure she grifted him. Yes https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1582024430863396864?s=20&t=tkN2brqfKWfb4xeg9PQU5w
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Lawdog69 posted:I can’t help but think that the only people these guys are catering to with hot takes like “the far left and neocons are the same” are just straight up morons. So weird to see the R attitude toward Russia snap from “eternal enemy” to “ally” over the course of like 10 yrs of Russia meddling with our elections. Then Russia takes a steaming dump on Ukraine and now they are bending over backwards promoting appeasement and compromise like “maybe if Ukraine just agrees to give up 30% of their territory Russia won’t come back for the remaining 70% in 10 years.” When these people say far left they mean centrist Democrats (or rather the insane caricature they've created in their hysteria) so yeah they are morons.
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Lawdog69 posted:I can’t help but think that the only people these guys are catering to with hot takes like “the far left and neocons are the same” are just straight up morons. So weird to see the R attitude toward Russia snap from “eternal enemy” to “ally” over the course of like 10 yrs of Russia meddling with our elections. Then Russia takes a steaming dump on Ukraine and now they are bending over backwards promoting appeasement and compromise like “maybe if Ukraine just agrees to give up 30% of their territory Russia won’t come back for the remaining 70% in 10 years.” Take a listen to Maddow's Ultra, this is poo poo is very on brand for the nativists and the Robber Barons of the Republican party. Putin is a fascist and fascism is their jam.
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Lawdog69 posted:So weird to see the R attitude toward Russia snap from “eternal enemy” to “ally” over the course of like 10 yrs of Russia meddling with our elections. To be fair the Dems did the same thing in reverse, from "ally" to "eternal enemy." Remember the Reset Button thing when Hillary was Secretary of State? And of course Romney saying that we needed to treat Russia as a threat instead of getting friendly with them, and Obama's zinger, "Hey Mitt, the 80s called, they want their foreign policy back." I can't even give the Dems credit for being on the right side because I can't help but feel cynical about their reasons. Like, much like how the Republicans have gone "Oh hey Russia can help us win elections, so we should support them," I feel like the Dems are only doing it because "Oh no, Russia is causing us to lose elections, so we should oppose them."
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I don't think Obama/Hillary went as far as to think of them as an "ally." My impression is that it was more along the lines of them no longer being the USSR and the big red threat of the Cold War era. More of a neutral stance than a friendly stance. I'm more than willing to be wrong on this though; I wasn't following politics as closely back then.
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To be fair I wasn't either. I mostly remember the Obama quip, and also him telling Putin he'd have more flexibility after the election when they were meeting. I remember that being a scandal among right wingers, I guess because they were taking it as proof Obama was going to rig the election?
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