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Diva Cupcake posted:Yeah might have adjusted expectations to more like 8-10 wins. I said this before but my expectation is over 500 now. So 9. Anything more than that is gravy and anything less is slightly disappointing depending on how many less.
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I don't think anyone's being unreasonable, but the Jets are currently favored in only 3 of their upcoming 11 games.
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Oct 17, 2022 22:10
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fsif posted:I don't think anyone's being unreasonable, but the Jets are currently favored in only 3 of their upcoming 11 games. They are 4-2 and they have been dogs in every game. Who cares?
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Oct 17, 2022 22:11
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fsif posted:I don't think anyone's being unreasonable, but the Jets are currently favored in only 3 of their upcoming 11 games. They were preseason dogs in literally every game on their schedule. Clearly the betting public has been wrong about the team.
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Oct 17, 2022 22:13
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mcmagic posted:They are 4-2 and they have been dogs in every game. Who cares? i don't think it's to take anything away from what the jets have done, but if you're setting a bar for wins i think you gotta look at the spreads a bit
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stuker posted:i don't think it's to take anything away from what the jets have done, but if you're setting a bar for wins i think you gotta look at the spreads a bit According to the betting markets the Jets are the 14th best team in the AFC. The Bucs are the 2nd best team in the NFC. Clearly there are some market inefficiencies. https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1582032463936688128
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Before the season the Jets were dogs in every game this season I believe. Do you think we would've been understanding if they went 0-17? I don't think looking at lines is super helpful.
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mcmagic posted:I said this before but my expectation is over 500 now. So 9. Anything more than that is gravy and anything less is slightly disappointing depending on how many less. You promise if they win next week your expectation won't be 10 wins?
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Diva Cupcake posted:According to the betting markets the Jets are the 14th best team in the AFC. The Bucs are the 2nd best team in the NFC. fair enough, i mean falcons being 6-0 ATS and right next to y'all seems to imply similarly
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Oct 17, 2022 23:04
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Diva Cupcake posted:According to the betting markets the Jets are the 14th best team in the AFC. The Bucs are the 2nd best team in the NFC. I don’t buy the Pats being that high. I think the Jets can beat them. But I’m far from impartial.
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Just watched a bit of that Jets game and man. Sauce. gently caress. Kinda sorta hate how well the Jets are using their insane draft capital.
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Durr Kommissar posted:Lmfao Jesus Christ dude, I thought you were an rear end in a top hat before, but some real mask off poo poo here.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:You promise if they win next week your expectation won't be 10 wins? I thought Mcmagic always got made fun of for being too optimistic about the Jets, now he’s getting made fun of for not being optimistic enough!
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I think to be 100% honest the Jets, Dolphins and Patriots are solid teams and the Bills are drawing drat near football omnipotence these days.
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CubanMissile posted:I don’t buy the Pats being that high. I think the Jets can beat them. But I’m far from impartial. Like I think the betting markets would have the Pats as a roughly 3 point favorite on a neutral field but I also don’t think they’re an indicator if quality. They’re an indicator of public perception.
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pasaluki posted:I think to be 100% honest the Jets, Dolphins and Patriots are solid teams and the Bills are drawing drat near football omnipotence these days. I won’t argue with that.
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For the Jet fans (including me at times) who were keeping an eye on Lamar, do you really want to give THIS guy the Watson contract? https://twitter.com/SNYGiants/status/1581733923901427712
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Diva Cupcake posted:Like I think the betting markets would have the Pats as a roughly 3 point favorite on a neutral field but I also don’t think they’re an indicator if quality. They’re an indicator of public perception. I mean that's kind of the point I was making. You guys see them as better than conventional wisdom has them.
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mcmagic posted:For the Jet fans (including me at times) who were keeping an eye on Lamar, do you really want to give THIS guy the Watson contract? Yes, absolutely.
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sirtommygunn posted:Yes, absolutely. Plus give up the multiple 1s to trade for him? IDK if I would do it.
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Oh yeah not if they had to trade for him, I mean if he hits the market next year.
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sirtommygunn posted:Oh yeah not if they had to trade for him, I mean if he hits the market next year. I can't imagine the Ravens would just let him walk. If they can't come to an agreement on a contract it's going to be a tag and trade.
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With the old guys disintegrating, Lamar is almost certainly a top 5 QB. In what world is he not worth a mega contract and multiple firsts?
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mcmagic posted:I can't imagine the Ravens would just let him walk. If they can't come to an agreement on a contract it's going to be a tag and trade. Yeah hard to see him not get tagged twice at the very least. What level of comp would you be comfortable with
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Lmao I missed this the first time. Thats quite the response.
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Professor Funk posted:I thought Mcmagic always got made fun of for being too optimistic about the Jets, now he’s getting made fun of for not being optimistic enough! No, the question presumed the opposite. If they win next week he will rachet up the expectations despite saying nine games this week. Two wins and it'll be playoffs or bust.
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fsif posted:With the old guys disintegrating, Lamar is almost certainly a top 5 QB. In what world is he not worth a mega contract and multiple firsts? I would much rather give the Deshaun Watson contract to Lamar Jackson than, well, Deshaun Watson
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fsif posted:With the old guys disintegrating, Lamar is almost certainly a top 5 QB. In what world is he not worth a mega contract and multiple firsts? He started out very fast but also hasn't played like a top 5 QB the last few weeks. That clip I posted from the giants game is some reckless poo poo in a 3 point 4th quarter game....
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fsif posted:I mean that's kind of the point I was making. You guys see them as better than conventional wisdom has them.  https://twitter.com/DouglasandSaleh/status/1579228153456705536
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mcmagic posted:He started out very fast but also hasn't played like a top 5 QB the last few weeks. That clip I posted from the giants game is some reckless poo poo in a 3 point 4th quarter game.... Here's another clip: https://twitter.com/espn/status/1581790527191515136?s=20&t=haFTQiyrhsbUUe52njGFxQ
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Diva Cupcake posted:Sure but leeching the blood to remove impurities was conventional wisdom. The Jets being 0-9 at the bye was as well. Agree with you on this but also.................... the @DouglasandSaleh twitter account. lol
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mcmagic posted:Agree with you on this but also.................... the @DouglasandSaleh twitter account. lol It was first post I could find with the Anita Marks or Brady Quinn quotes. 
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fsif posted:Here's another clip: Major difference in the chances you take down 4 and up 3. You know this. Look at Lamar's stats in the last 3 games vs the first three, he's been a good deal worse. He's clearly a step down from the Mahomes level. (not that that is a huge indictment of him)
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McMagic *or any Jets fan* what I meant what was level of comp would you be comfortable trading for Lamar in terms of draft. Watsons haul?
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mcmagic posted:The Jets pretty clearly have better talent and much worse coaching. Agree. I'm not sure which position is better to be in, though. fsif posted:With the old guys disintegrating, Lamar is almost certainly a top 5 QB. In what world is he not worth a mega contract and multiple firsts? A world where pass accuracy matters and he's never had it, and QBs with high mobility but low pass accuracy are consistently overrated. I know Belichick likes him, but I really hope they don't get him. Lamar is probably the NFL QB who is most likable as a person, but I'd hate to have him as my QB. I'm quite convinced he's just not good enough to win a Super Bowl without a team that can carry him incredibly hard, but his market value is high enough that he can never be on such a team. I believe he'll retire without a ring.
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mcmagic posted:Major difference in the chances you take down 4 and up 3. You know this. Look at Lamar's stats in the last 3 games vs the first three, he's been a good deal worse. He's clearly a step down from the Mahomes level. (not that that is a huge indictment of him) I know. But all QBs have bad moments and I think you're kind of being a prisoner of the moment if you wouldn't jump at the opportunity to get a 25 year old franchise star. Like what is the path to get someone even comparable to Jackson? Play the draft lottery for the 30th time?
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Amy Pole Her posted:McMagic *or any Jets fan* what I meant what was level of comp would you be comfortable trading for Lamar in terms of draft. Watsons haul? Id do the Russell Wilson haul without blinking which means I’d probably do a bit more than that.
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I don't think I would do the Wilson haul + the Watson contract.
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I’m trying to decide what level I’d be okay with if he should become available, because while I love Tua… he’s just such a stud. And he’d absolutely destroy in the McDaniel offense. Plus a local boy etc etc m 3 firsts a 2 and a player I guess is what I’d say is max for me. Maybe 2 seconds and a 2 two players
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