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Palladium posted:i have never seen a speaker cone move in a visible way in the flesh You've never had a prof demonstrate driver movement with an LFO?? Or had a friend with aftermarket subwoofers in their car??? 
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Palladium posted:i have never seen a speaker cone move in a visible way in the flesh Speakers move bro.. what are you saying?
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That hit me right in the feels
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what can i say my biological ADCs are programmed to have very high levels of sones per watts
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Palladium posted:i have never seen a speaker cone move in a visible way in the flesh Watch your woofers during the first 30 seconds of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SpG7C4vHZQ
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redeyes posted:What?! Your speakers somehow have to be warmed up?! Doubtful man. Elastic polymers get more flexible as they get warmer. The better they move, the better they sound. There's probably plenty of other materials that are softer at the same temperature, but for whatever reason, that's what they chose.
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https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/capacitor-upgrade-in-crossover-is-it-audible-part-2.12447/ I bought a pair 20-year old Wharfedale Diamonds 8.2 on the cheap and thought replacing the aging electrolytic caps in the crossover is necessary, but guess I'm probably wrong about this.
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Palladium posted:https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/capacitor-upgrade-in-crossover-is-it-audible-part-2.12447/ Just test their capacitance to see if they're all still in range and make sure they're not bulging and you good
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So THAT'S why my CDs sound so bad. They're magnetized! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH4v8b1tGSQ
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Mister Kingdom posted:So THAT'S why my CDs sound so bad. They're magnetized! So I moved to Japan recently and took a trip down to the local Yodobashi Camera and guess what I saw  They're still selling them! At least it's only around $300 for useless trash.
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Oct 13, 2022 15:07
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The yen is down to $1/¥150? RIP Japan.
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I got tons of dollars so it's great for me. Until I'm out or want to put any of that money back, then... well, whatever. I ain't moving back any time soon. Probably will invest in some gold audio cables.
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Drastic Actions posted:So I moved to Japan recently and took a trip down to the local Yodobashi Camera and guess what I saw have you asked whether they provide gold plating services to your local power substation at a discount if you bought those power plugs below
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Absolutely loving Techmoan's foray into audiophile territory
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Just FYI in case folks in here don't check out other threads, I've posted some opinions about this one in one of the stickies. It looks like the OP isn't a mod anymore but I honestly don't care at all about rewards; I'd be happy to do a new OP regardless. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4012239
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"Many audiophile products are a scam. This is the place to mock them and their devotees. Discuss." A bit minimal, sure, but I think that's all that really needs to be said unless you want a list of links highlighting really egregious examples.
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Mr. Mercury posted:"Many audiophile products are a scam. This is the place to mock them and their devotees. Discuss." The idea, at least in my mind, is to provide a basic history of the hobby and some very basic science about how measured quality doesn't improve beyond a certain dollar amount.
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Oct 17, 2022 19:35
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OP just needs to be this classic image
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Oct 17, 2022 20:01
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It's one of those threads where you learn more by reading it than a normal person will trudging through a monster op. Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't have more info and funny examples (and maybe brands that are egregiously snake oil). The main concern, though, is to make it clear it's the wrong place to ask for advice.
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Oct 17, 2022 20:26
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Where would you put the experience of a big OP vs rolling through the thread on the experience level?
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Oct 17, 2022 20:43
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The big OP has a lot more defined base, more middle of the road consensus, and less sharp trouble. However, the musicality is a lot better and more organic when you just have a decades long string of posts.
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/\ cheeky fucker hahaBlue Footed Booby posted:It's one of those threads where you learn more by reading it than a normal person will trudging through a monster op. Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't have more info and funny examples (and maybe brands that are egregiously snake oil). The main concern, though, is to make it clear it's the wrong place to ask for advice. My thoughts exactly Honestly I very rarely read OPs after skimming it once. It really doesn't need to be much beyond "this is what thread is about," mmmaaayyybbee some history if it's a show or something, and some resources if you're trying to get people to do a thing. Since this is a mock thread... not really sure it needs much beyond a simple statement and warning about earnest-posting about high end gear
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The new op mostly needs links to the other audio threads, and an explanation on what the differences are.
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It would be nice with a few examples of ridiculous and non-ridiculous stuff in the OP. Like solid gold fuses and regular high end speakers
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Oct 17, 2022 21:02
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I do love a good gold plated Toslink.
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If it's not 90% about carpet, what's the point?
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I definitely tldr long OPs, I have no intention of writing up some multi thousand word thing that no one gives a poo poo about. Just something along the lines of writing that audio reproduction started, it got better, it got to be a status symbol, and then at some point very soon some opportunistic folks realized that you could (as always) make money off of people who had no actual interest in the hobby but just wanted the status marker. TLDR if you are paying more than $100 for any cable, ever, I am going to come to your house and beat you.
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BonHair posted:It would be nice with a few examples of ridiculous and non-ridiculous stuff in the OP. Like solid gold fuses and regular high end speakers Pretty much just this.
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strtj posted:I definitely tldr long OPs, I have no intention of writing up some multi thousand word thing that no one gives a poo poo about. Just something along the lines of writing that audio reproduction started, it got better, it got to be a status symbol, and then at some point very soon some opportunistic folks realized that you could (as always) make money off of people who had no actual interest in the hobby but just wanted the status marker. TLDR if you are paying more than $100 for any cable, ever, I am going to come to your house and beat you. Long HDMI cables that actually work are easily over $100. Also I feel like a lot of people who make and sell this stuff are either true believers or have been pretending for so long they've forgotten what's real. See PS Audio's CEO who like so record his youtubes next to a big stack of gear that could tell him his stupid $5000 "power regenerators" don't do anything.
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qirex posted:Long HDMI cables that actually work are easily over $100. I was exaggerating for effect. Please tell me that you understand that this is, first and foremost, a comedy website quote:Also I feel like a lot of people who make and sell this stuff are either true believers or have been pretending for so long they've forgotten what's real. See PS Audio's CEO who like so record his youtubes next to a big stack of gear that could tell him his stupid $5000 "power regenerators" don't do anything. I really don't think this is helping your case.
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Idea for an op: put three short lists, of "junk that does nothing except make you look stupid", "stuff that can matter, up to a point", and "things that are objectively not better but can be personal preference".
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nielsm posted:Idea for an op: put three short lists, of "junk that does nothing except make you look stupid", "stuff that can matter, up to a point", and "things that are objectively not better but can be personal preference". I'm more than willing to do a collaborative OP, partly because I don't want to be accused of writing it up with a personal bias. Here are some very quick ideas about those categories, and I am interested in what others think: Just plain old status garbage, but I guess it looks cool? This sort of thing https://www.wilsonaudio.com/products/chronosonic/chronosonic-xvx Things that can matter up to a point The first thing that comes to mind is turntable needles/cartridges. On a properly aligned turntable you really can spend increasing amounts of money and have increasing, but asymptotic, results. The last time I seriously looked into this stuff there seemed to be much less overall grift than your average stereo component, possibly because of the upfront costs and the difficulty in getting a manufacturer for things like tiny shaped diamonds. Things that no serious person would consider "audiophile" but are still stupidly expensive Cables. But also, um, Bose gear?
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Bose is barely on the scale imho. It's definitely overpriced, but I hear more people being snobby about it than liking it. Let's not forget "high resolution" music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM this is pretty essential. Also, conspicuous consumption I think falls under audiophilia, but maybe that's covered in your second category.
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LRADIKAL posted:Bose is barely on the scale imho. It's definitely overpriced, but I hear more people being snobby about it than liking it. Yes, any OP for the thread should include this.
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Gold plated interconnects Brilliant pebbles MQA high end DACs Upgraded power cables Black bodies The ENTIRE ITU-R BS.2399-0 consensus lexicon (and people attaching whatever loving adjectives they think are positive/negative to poo poo) Rolling opamps/tubes Distortion dickmeasuring I'm sure there's a lot of other examples but I'm tired
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Now that I'm not phone posting, here's my ideas about what goes in those categories. No actual, measurable or ABX-able effect: Magical stones Wooden volume knobs Power conditioners (unless your power supply is so poo poo it would be frying the electronics anyway) Premium Ethernet cables (either it works or it doesn't) CD/DVD/BD players with digital outputs (either it works or it doesn't) Only matters that you don't get the absolutely cheapest garbage: Analog audio cables Plugs for audio cables Actually matters, up to a point: Amplifier Speakers Acoustic treatment of room, including furniture and speaker layout Signal processing (like equalization, has to be configured for the actual setup) Personal taste, objectively speaking this is usually worse reproduction, but some prefer the sound: LP records Analog tape formats Tube amplifiers
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Are tube amps inherently bad though? If there's enough headroom, isn't it more in the placebo category? Sure, they can have some EQ going on, but is that really on the same scale as distortion on an LP? Of course, the tubes can distort as well, but then it's just not the right amp for the job
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Most people buying tube amps in my experience are doing so for the distortion.
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nielsm posted:Now that I'm not phone posting, here's my ideas about what goes in those categories. I'd also add power cables, power outlets, and basically anything upstream of the power supplies in the actual devices emitting or processing analog signals to the audiophile nonsense category. As long as they're operating even remotely normally none of those components will ever have a meaningful impact on the electricity that's traveled over dozens or even hundreds of miles of unshielded power lines and through massive transformers on its way between a turbine somewhere and your house. Actually that gives me a brilliant idea, stick some solar panels on top of a shed, add a load of batteries and some sound insulation, sell it to idiots with too much money as an isolated listening room. Basically take what some of the low power ham radio guys who actually legitimately need to care about RF interference from power lines do but dress it up a bit for the person who thinks it's going to matter on their headphones. I'm also sure now thinking about it that at least one rich moron has installed a motor-generator in their home to "solve" the "problem" of being hooked to poco infrastructure.
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Sell some "battery mending chargers" for those who use portable listening devices. Tell them that the battery degradation will affect audio performance and your magical charger will somehow improve the wrinkles put on the battery and get everything better again.
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