MLB Offseason: It's All About the Positions He Doesn't Play

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Who's your 2022 MVP? This poll is closed.
Shohei Ohtani	50	59.52%
Aaron Judge	19	22.62%
Hey, the national league has an MVP too you know!	15	17.86%
Total:	84 votes

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Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

https://twitter.com/CespedesBBQ/status/1582403379409473536

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:16

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# ? May 28, 2024 18:52

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

Some Numbers posted:

Come to Seattle! We made it to the playoffs!

good god would he be a huge upgrade to our pitching staff and lineup

Maybe in 2024. I have a hard time seeing the Angels trading him within the division, especially since I've read the Mariners emptied the farm for Castillo

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:18

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

In that article also expresses interest in playing for Japan in the WBC, so congratulations to Japan on winning the WBC.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:24

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Johnny Bravo posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/joonlee/status/1582389246509260803

me too shohei

If Judge walks I wonder if Cashman will try to do this or will he continue to prospect hug.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:34

Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

For the love of god please let a contender (not based in LA or NY) grab Ohtani before he wastes his entire career in Anaheim.

Is Anaheim anywhere close to contending? I have no idea if their winning streak earlier this year was legit or just luck/schedule.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:36

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Red posted:

Is Anaheim anywhere close to contending? I have no idea if their winning streak earlier this year was legit or just luck/schedule.

They aren't close at all.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:37

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

mcmagic posted:

If Judge walks I wonder if Cashman will try to do this or will he continue to prospect hug.

Would be a big upgrade for the Yankees to pick up a x2 MVP.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:54

Some Numbers: Sep 28, 2006; "LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Popete posted:

Would be a big upgrade for the Yankees to pick up a x2 MVP.

wouldn't that mean that Stanton has to play the field?

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:55

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Popete posted:

Would be a big upgrade for the Yankees to pick up a x2 MVP.

He's not wining it this year. Thankfully the writers aren't as anti yankee biased as SAS is.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:56

Fate Accomplice: Nov 30, 2006

come to Boston, Shohei

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:57

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Fate Accomplice posted:

come to Boston, Shohei

Could see this. IDK why he would ever want to live in Boston though.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 17:57

Gerblederp: Dec 4, 2009

Man I wonder why nobody around here can stand the Yankees

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:02

Red: Apr 15, 2003; Yeah, great at getting us into Wawa.

mcmagic posted:

They aren't close at all.

Really? Between Trout and Ohtani, a few average starters should be enough to get them close to a wild card. Ward and Fletcher are good, too.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:04

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Gerblederp posted:

Man I wonder why nobody around here can stand the Yankees

ANTI-YANKEE BIAS!!!

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:06

Kilometers Davis: Jul 9, 2007; They begin again

Didn�t Shohei say he wants to stay on the west coast so Japanese people can watch his games easier?

Anyway he would look awesome in a Cards jersey let�s goooooooo

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:07

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

Red posted:

Really? Between Trout and Ohtani, a few average starters should be enough to get them close to a wild card. Ward and Fletcher are good, too.

"They just need a couple of starters" has been the book on the Angels for a decade

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:07

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Red posted:

Really? Between Trout and Ohtani, a few average starters should be enough to get them close to a wild card. Ward and Fletcher are good, too.

- Post from every year since 2018.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:08

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Big Mean Jerk posted:

ANTI-YANKEE BIAS!!!

It's the only reason 60% of the people on here think the guy with 2 less WAR should win the MVP over a guy who had the best season since Bonds.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:09

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

The Angels mid season farm system ranking was also #30 so it's not like they have a lot of talent in the pipe works. Rumor is Moreno may try to sell the team and if that's the case they aren't gonna be doing anything until that happens.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:10

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
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mcmagic posted:

It's the only reason 60% of the people on here think the guy with 2 less WAR should win the MVP over a guy who had the best season since Bonds.

1 less bWAR but I also don't think WAR accurately captures what Ohtani is doing.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:11

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Popete posted:

The Angels mid season farm system ranking was also #30 so it's not like they have a lot of talent in the pipe works. Rumor is Moreno may try to sell the team and if that's the case they aren't gonna be doing anything until that happens.

It�s not a rumor, the team has confirmed it

It�s probably why Phil Nevin was extended for a year

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:14

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

If you're an Angels fan that is great news but it also means another wasted year for the two best players in MLB.

Rob Manfred I'm calling on you as Commissioner of Major League Baseball to step in and remedy this injustice. Move Ohtani and Trout to a different team, preferably one located in the middle of the country so fans in any time zone can watch them, that already has a large fan base and sufficient income to pay their hefty salaries. The Chicago Cubs will accept both players for the good of all baseball.

Popete fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Oct 18, 2022

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:15

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

lmao Ohtani from the jump said no to the Yankees but G*d bless special Yankees fans who cant comprehend someone wouldn't want to play there for their rational and not insane insufferable fans

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:17

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Hmmm clearly the player with the most truly historic season ever being considered for MVP is an indicator of anti Yankees bias and not them being rational, it's hating dingers in pinstripes

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:19

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maffew buildings posted:

lmao Ohtani from the jump said no to the Yankees but G*d bless special Yankees fans who cant comprehend someone wouldn't want to play there for their rational and not insane insufferable fans

I don't think that because he didn't want to go to the Yankees originally he wouldn't possibly come here at a later date. It's all conjecture at this point though.

maffew buildings posted:

Hmmm clearly the player with the most truly historic season ever being considered for MVP is an indicator of anti Yankees bias and not them being rational, it's hating dingers in pinstripes

The "most historic season ever" is 2 wins less valuable than what Judge did. So it's not the most historic season ever.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:23

Johnny Bravo: Jan 19, 2011

Red posted:

Really? Between Trout and Ohtani, a few average starters should be enough to get them close to a wild card. Ward and Fletcher are good, too.

the starters were fine this year, it was mostly the offensive production falling off a cliff coupled with above average bullpen meltdowns that tanked the season.

they were keeping pace with the Yankees for the first third and the last third of the year but that middle part when they went like 10-40 was historically bad and it wasn't because of the starting pitching, imo

rendon missed most of the year again, trout missed time on top of playing hurt for like a month, walsh struggled all year just to find out he had TOS, fletcher missed a lot of time as well

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:26

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

For the record I do think Judge will win the MVP but it's the wrong choice, the BBWAA isn't exactly a ringing endorsement though.

Judge breaking a pseudo record will be enough to convince them.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:29

Forrest on Fire: Nov 23, 2012

Kilometers Davis posted:

Didn’t Shohei say he wants to stay on the west coast so Japanese people can watch his games easier?

Anyway he would look awesome in a DBacks jersey let’s goooooooo

Wow I totally agree with this!

He'd get the same experience of not threatening contention, but it's cheaper to live there and the team is less cursed more inept.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:30

Penisaurus Sex: Feb 3, 2009; asdfghjklpoiuyt

Intruder posted:

Maybe in 2024. I have a hard time seeing the Angels trading him within the division, especially since I've read the Mariners emptied the farm for Castillo

It's a lot weaker than it was but that's primarily because of graduations, not the trade for Castillo.

I could see the Mariners putting something together for a year of Ohtani @ $30 million but I don't see Arte admitting defeat and trading him.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:35

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

mcmagic posted:

I don't think that because he didn't want to go to the Yankees originally he wouldn't possibly come here at a later date. It's all conjecture at this point though.

The "most historic season ever" is 2 wins less valuable than what Judge did. So it's not the most historic season ever.

When the Yankees aren't on the screen everyone should be asking "where's the Yankees?"

Can't believe Ohtani is worth 2 less wins on a scale that can't actually quantify what he does why can't i measure temperature in pounds help please

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:39

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

Ohtani rakes in a ton of cash, I doubt the Angels trade him.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:39

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

maffew buildings posted:

When the Yankees aren't on the screen everyone should be asking "where's the Yankees?"

Can't believe Ohtani is worth 2 less wins on a scale that can't actually quantify what he does why can't i measure temperature in pounds help please

You just don't want to use WAR because of "reasons" (it doesn't back up your opinion.) We already talked about the 27th roster spot being next to worthless.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:42

Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

oh my god mcmagic shut the gently caress up

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:46

rickiep00h: Aug 16, 2010; BATDANCE

Popete posted:

If you're an Angels fan that is great news but it also means another wasted year for the two best players in MLB.

Rob Manfred I'm calling on you as Commissioner of Major League Baseball to step in and remedy this injustice. Move Ohtani and Trout to a different team, preferably one located in the middle of the country so fans in any time zone can watch them, that already has a large fan base and sufficient income to pay their hefty salaries. The Chicago Cubs will accept both players for the good of all baseball.

Rockies need to just create a superteam, obliterate every team hitting record ever, and show everyone the true benefit of playing half your games in Denver. Ohtani, Trout, Judge, everyone. Be the greatest show on earth for a couple years completely break baseball.

Instead, they just bank on being the only game in town for hundreds and hundreds of miles and having rad unis.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 18:52

LobsterMobster: Oct 29, 2009; "I was being quiet and trying to be a good boy but he dialed the right combination to open the throw-down vault and it was on."

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Silly thought "experiment" that's been rattling around my noggin

If each division made a team using All Star rules of at least one representative from each team, which division would field the best squad?

I know Mets and Braves had a lackluster postseason showing, but I think the NL East would be pretty solid, though guys like Albies and Chisolm being injured hurts things a bit.

But Alcantara, deGrom, Scherzer, Wright, Strider (also assuming fully healthy), Fried is a p solid rotation, plus Diaz and Iglesias in the pen.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 19:09

maffew buildings: Apr 29, 2009; too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

Sorry guys I forget McMagic is actually an AI posting based on being very online with Yankees Twitter

# ? Oct 18, 2022 19:09

seiferguy: Jun 9, 2005; FLAWED
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Well uh, this doesn't bode well for the guy:

https://twitter.com/MarinersSUR/status/1582397824209416192?s=19

Absolutely makes sense given he lost all his strength and was a horrid defender.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 19:10

Johnny Bravo: Jan 19, 2011

are we all glad jesse winker got hit in the butt yet

# ? Oct 18, 2022 19:11

bees x1000: Jun 11, 2020

Arte on the way out and Nevin sticking around sure makes it look like the Angels are punting on 2023. Ohtani highlights aside I am very much checked out.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 19:13

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# ? May 28, 2024 18:52

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
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What would an Ohtani trade package look like? I feel like the Jays have at least the start of one in something like Moreno/Tiedemann/Gurriel but it's been a long time since I've paid such close attention to either the Jays' farm system or prospect trade values more generally.

# ? Oct 18, 2022 19:42

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