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Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
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Can you build a non-Blockma Hokma floor? I know that for all Mountain of Corpses is said to be the best part of using Red Mist Gebura you can still make a perfectly fine version of her floor that doesn't use that and has all 5 librarians play a part with her other cards.

Also is Time a trap option or not

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GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

Junpei posted:

Can you build a non-Blockma Hokma floor? I know that for all Mountain of Corpses is said to be the best part of using Red Mist Gebura you can still make a perfectly fine version of her floor that doesn't use that and has all 5 librarians play a part with her other cards.

Also is Time a trap option or not
You basically need Blockma for Hokma to work, yeah. His two best I cards both want Blockma, and everything else kinda builds off that.

I wouldn't exactly call Time a trap, but it's something you have to be ready to use. If you understand how to fight Price of Silence (hit the autobattle button then quickly go through your team and adjust things to your liking) then you understand how to use Time. If you don't have that skill, it's a trap. If you do, it's fine.

DuoRogue
Jul 19, 2022

My secret? I don't have any bones.

Reiterpallasch posted:

i went on a bender installing pretty much any workshop mod reception that looked popular and uh, some of these custom reception pages are, uh

...what? what?

sometimes, mods will just. Hand you boss cards, completely unchanged. Librarian of Death is one of them; I usually try not to include stuff blatantly overpowered like that in my decks, since it saps the fun out of things.

usually. I DO use amplified gaze office's version of observe, and that thing is Highly Questionable. Its observe but with like, 6-8, 7-11, 7-11 rolls. and all have gain 2 charge on clash win because why not.

also, some pages from lancelot and lancelot-epilogue; specifically, hardshield workshop (singleton version of roland's Old Boys), and reassamble again, a 0-cost 3-5 roll with +1 light, +1 draw on use and 1 feeble on hit. Also Wonton and Cashow which inflicts burn to target = burn on yourself which is a really funny way to inflict like 50+ burn in a single card.

GilliamYaeger posted:

You basically need Blockma for Hokma to work, yeah. His two best I cards both want Blockma, and everything else kinda builds off that.

I wouldn't exactly call Time a trap, but it's something you have to be ready to use. If you understand how to fight Price of Silence (hit the autobattle button then quickly go through your team and adjust things to your liking) then you understand how to use Time. If you don't have that skill, it's a trap. If you do, it's fine.

Yeah, I've ran blockma a grand total of One Time, and it was to do cheese strats because god I hate pluto. It was not the most optimal of builds because it still took like half an hour.

unrelated but fun fact about time: once, I was doing a reception that randomized your abno cards at one point in the fight (Parallel Timeline); the first time through, it randomized one of my cards to Time. the clock graphic did not move. I was not prepared to deal with Time. I did not win that fight.

DuoRogue fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Oct 19, 2022

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
From what I've gathered, this is the full list of all (main story) endgame-viable Keypages.

-BS Roland
-RM Gebura
-Binah
-Yujin
-Kalo
-Lowell
-Hubert, Esther, and Gloria
-Yan
-Iori
-Xiao
-True/Complete Myo, Rudolph, Maxim and Nikolai
-Mirinae
-Olivier

There is admittedly some spots I'm unsure of. I'm reasonably sure every 'mook' keypage (Liu S. 2 and 1 Fixers, Thumb Soldatos, Church of Gear Worshippers, basic Reindeer/Rhino/Rabbits, Hana S. 3 Fixers) are all attribute fodder. I'm also pretty sure Katriel and Denis aren't used for much? Boris I've heard is a bit above them. Mei and Cecil I know are attribute fodder, but I'm not as sure about Chun or Miris. The Cane trio I know have their perks with their unique cards but I'm not sure if they hold up to what R Corp's chars can do. And Harold seems to be just Olivier but minus The Twelve Fixers?

Reiterpallasch
Nov 3, 2010



Fun Shoe
i mean i unironically took a sweeper key page into an impuritas fight because it was the best option for my specific gimmick, but also there's a ton of viable pages out there beyond that list

generic udjat are kind of nuts, i'd call them easily better than at least a few of the pages in your list.

you're also forgetting the other post-release general invitation pages, as well as the entire ensemble. lots of great pages there. irina and yae are both extremely strong if you lean into gimmicks, allen is one of the best singleton pierce users, and bayard is kind of a meme but absolutely strong if you build around him. buffed argalia's engine is really solid (and access to power null makes him good by default, it's useful enough for boris to see use); phillip can just throw around enough generic dice power to be strong with no deckbuilding restrictions other than "maybe use these xiao burn pages that are already really good." elena is good because smoke is good. tanya sees use for solo strategies in fights where you can't really avoid eating poo poo in the first couple turns because of guts being 8-cost.

a lot of people poo poo on dong-hwan because bleed doesn't have much SOTC support but he's generically fine and carver of scars is actually kind of a crazy passive for bleed setups. you're probably not going to run a ton of bleed stuff outside of hod's ensemble fight, but it's genuinely fine. burning flash decks are great on bamboo-hatted kim too, though his page is a little squishy to run most of the time.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
To be fair I did specify 'main story', as in no General Receptions. Also the Reverb Ensemble are post-game stuff.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

Junpei posted:

From what I've gathered, this is the full list of all (main story) endgame-viable Keypages.

-BS Roland
-RM Gebura
-Binah
-Yujin
-Kalo
-Lowell
-Hubert, Esther, and Gloria
-Yan
-Iori
-Xiao
-True/Complete Myo, Rudolph, Maxim and Nikolai
-Mirinae
-Olivier

There is admittedly some spots I'm unsure of. I'm reasonably sure every 'mook' keypage (Liu S. 2 and 1 Fixers, Thumb Soldatos, Church of Gear Worshippers, basic Reindeer/Rhino/Rabbits, Hana S. 3 Fixers) are all attribute fodder. I'm also pretty sure Katriel and Denis aren't used for much? Boris I've heard is a bit above them. Mei and Cecil I know are attribute fodder, but I'm not as sure about Chun or Miris. The Cane trio I know have their perks with their unique cards but I'm not sure if they hold up to what R Corp's chars can do. And Harold seems to be just Olivier but minus The Twelve Fixers?
Denis is the best user of the ammunition-discard deck, which is pretty strong (even if I've never used it myself). You can't use Rabbits for it since IIRC their "infinite ammo" passive means that discarded ammo never goes away.

If you add in the general receptions you've got

-Kim
-Allen
-Bayard
-Yae
-Irina

for a total of 20 keypages (that aren't locked to specific floors). More than enough to do the first four floors of the Ensemble without dipping into the mooks. Especially because Philip is pretty easy to solo with just Xiao (clone Fervent Emotions and use Happy Memories).

Also Harold is worth using - he's got 4 base light so he's pretty strong.

GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Oct 20, 2022

DuoRogue
Jul 19, 2022

My secret? I don't have any bones.

Junpei posted:

To be fair I did specify 'main story', as in no General Receptions. Also the Reverb Ensemble are post-game stuff.

reverb ensemble pages are also bad. They're basically attribution fodder on the same level as most mooks.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1583378016310554624

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1583379806749872128

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1583379913411014658

Ishmael rocking the same EGO that Hong Lu was using.

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1583443218070315012

Zwei Sinclair art.

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1583447294333943808

Some cute chibi art...

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1583449786769764352

And one of Dante from the back, I think?

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
https://mobile.twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1585936520073990144

https://mobile.twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1585937259638837249

https://mobile.twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1585939205212934144

Faust using the EGO of the Happy Teddy Bear Abberation known as "Teddy In Pain".

KobunFan
Aug 13, 2022
These attacks are as delectable as Disgaea and as gory as Doom.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
I'll be honest while I do like this one I was kinda hoping for either Sinclair or Gregor to get an EGO shown off aside from their default, base ones.

But this does give me the opportunity to note that most of the EGO's we've seen are either original entirely (the Zayin-class personal ones everyone used in their promos, Meursault's rainbow punch and angel punch, Faust and Don's Headless Ichythys, Heathcliff's Telepole) or Aberrations of existing EGO (Hong Lu and Ishmael's one is apparently a Red Shoes Aberration, Outis uses Ebony Queen's Apple, this one is a Happy Teddy Bear one).

I wonder if maybe they're either saving a larger chunk of the EGOs that we could use in Ruina for later or straight-up planning on making most of these EGO original or Aberrations. Like, obviously they're saving WhiteNight, Apoc Bird, the Magical Girls, the Oz ones, etc. for later, but it feels odd that the only returning EGO we've seen thus far is Fourth Match Flame.

mercurially
May 7, 2022

Gaining back pain stacks at the speed of light!
I'm really digging all these aberrations we've been seeing in Limbus. Makes me hopeful we'll get some Wonderlab cameos.

Probe 17
Jul 27, 2014

Red Rain is coming down

Red Rain

Junpei posted:

I'll be honest while I do like this one I was kinda hoping for either Sinclair or Gregor to get an EGO shown off aside from their default, base ones.

But this does give me the opportunity to note that most of the EGO's we've seen are either original entirely (the Zayin-class personal ones everyone used in their promos, Meursault's rainbow punch and angel punch, Faust and Don's Headless Ichythys, Heathcliff's Telepole) or Aberrations of existing EGO (Hong Lu and Ishmael's one is apparently a Red Shoes Aberration, Outis uses Ebony Queen's Apple, this one is a Happy Teddy Bear one).

I wonder if maybe they're either saving a larger chunk of the EGOs that we could use in Ruina for later or straight-up planning on making most of these EGO original or Aberrations. Like, obviously they're saving WhiteNight, Apoc Bird, the Magical Girls, the Oz ones, etc. for later, but it feels odd that the only returning EGO we've seen thus far is Fourth Match Flame.

Frankly a ton of the previews we've seen are fantastic, so if they want to give us a bunch of new ones mixed with Aberrations I won't complain. Especially if they keep nailing the "scary monster/extremely strange monster" ratio.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Idly, and this is sort of random, but I never understood why Eileen got 'promoted' so quickly in the Reverb Ensemble.

From the way she shows up in Smiling Faces (assisting Argalia with his business while Pluto is away recruiting Oswald and distorting Phillip), to Jae-Heon mentioning Eileen sent them into the WARP Train during Love Town, to her and Pluto being the ones to join Argalia on the Outskirts visit they make during Argalia's reception, it seems like Eileen is either tied with Pluto or just behind him in the group's command structure. Pluto makes some sense as a second in command, his teleportation and barrier abilities are a massive boon to them, but Eileen just has her subordinates-and she's the third to last member recruited, only Oswald and Phillip join after her.

Granted, most of the previous options wouldn't exactly be great lieutenant material (Greta's too wacky, Bremen can't talk and Tanya has all the subtlety of a roundhouse kick).

I'm not necessarily complaining or anything, just kind of thinking out loud.

(Side fun observation: A guy with white hair leads a group of weirdos, some of whom look inhuman, including his second-in-command, who has a teleportation ability-am I talking about Shigaraki and Kurogiri from My Hero Academia, or Argalia and Pluto?)

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

Junpei posted:

Idly, and this is sort of random, but I never understood why Eileen got 'promoted' so quickly in the Reverb Ensemble.

From the way she shows up in Smiling Faces (assisting Argalia with his business while Pluto is away recruiting Oswald and distorting Phillip), to Jae-Heon mentioning Eileen sent them into the WARP Train during Love Town, to her and Pluto being the ones to join Argalia on the Outskirts visit they make during Argalia's reception, it seems like Eileen is either tied with Pluto or just behind him in the group's command structure. Pluto makes some sense as a second in command, his teleportation and barrier abilities are a massive boon to them, but Eileen just has her subordinates-and she's the third to last member recruited, only Oswald and Phillip join after her.

Granted, most of the previous options wouldn't exactly be great lieutenant material (Greta's too wacky, Bremen can't talk and Tanya has all the subtlety of a roundhouse kick).

I'm not necessarily complaining or anything, just kind of thinking out loud.

(Side fun observation: A guy with white hair leads a group of weirdos, some of whom look inhuman, including his second-in-command, who has a teleportation ability-am I talking about Shigaraki and Kurogiri from My Hero Academia, or Argalia and Pluto?)
It's probably because she's good at organizing things due to both her experience at leading a cult and her substantial mental augmentations, and hangs around Argalia like, all the time so can act as an efficient go-between for him and the rest of the Ensemble whenever he's occupied.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!

GilliamYaeger posted:

It's probably because she's good at organizing things due to both her experience at leading a cult and her substantial mental augmentations, and hangs around Argalia like, all the time so can act as an efficient go-between for him and the rest of the Ensemble whenever he's occupied.

Oh right, I forget about her brain gears, yeah this explanation makes sense. Thanks.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bJbU3BFL9Q

Ah, yes. The bus eats people. Of course it does.

https://vxtwitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1588464831211847680

https://vxtwitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1588470271564185601

And some more EGO being shown off.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bJbU3BFL9Q

Video of a cutscene from Chapter 1 Part 4. Highlights:

-Rodion is unsatisfied with the portion sizes the Sinners get to eat
-At some point before this, Vergillius mentioned to the Sinners not to kill the enemies they apparently just fought. Faust explains why: Mephistopheles, the bus's engine, runs off of Enkaphalin. But Enkaphalin is super rare because L-Corp vanished, right? It turns out, Mephistopheles extracts Enkaphalin from human brains and nervous systems- and it's more efficient if the subjects are alive. The rest of the body, the blood and the flesh, is turned into a less efficient fuel used to maintain speed after the Enkaphalin generates ignition and initial thrust, to conserve Enkaphalin because of it's rarity-Yi Sang compares it to a hybrid car.
-Gregor apparently calls Dante "Manager Bud". He did it in his trailer/promo and he does it here when he dashes up to say more enemies are coming.
-Dante has no voice actor.

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1588464831211847680

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1588466072252198913

Sinclair using a new EGO, that like Meursault, is clearly pulling from a Abnormality we saw the group fighting in the TGS stream:



This is Doomsday Calendar, based off Mayan ones (including, yes, the 2012 end of the world thingy).

And mid-battle voice acting as well!

Regular EGO: "I'm gonna crush you...!"
Corrossion: "Thy shall become the sacrifice, as well."

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1588470271564185601

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1588471330751795200

From the visuals and the implied lifesteal effect, I think this is Gregor rocking Wingbeat from Fairy Festival, which is just proving that Gregor's unique hand weapon situation is going to give him some rad-looking EGO.

Edit: loving beaten

KobunFan
Aug 13, 2022
That does look pretty loving awesome.

Verant
Oct 20, 2012

Go on an adventure ordained by fate?
-->Okay.
-->Eh.
Speaking of awesome, the art in the latest Leviathan chapters is looking pretty nuts, with another high-ranking Finger member distorting and Vergilius' EGO manifesting.

No idea when we'll get the English translations for the chapters, though.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
An online friend elsewhere floated an alternative theory which is that Gregor's using Parasite Tree's EGO, Hypocrisy, or it's based on Titania from Wonderlab.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Forgot to mention that Sinclair's EGO's name is "Baktun", after the longest unit of measurement on a Mayan calendar-the equivalent of 144000 days-394.26 years.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
https://at.tumblr.com/timeshark15/grrr-hisss-what-are-you-doing-on-moonclan/rmv3svwgzlxb

This post did White Damage to me, my Panic type is Breakout, and now I'm going to inflict this onto ALL OF YOU.

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!

Junpei posted:

https://at.tumblr.com/timeshark15/grrr-hisss-what-are-you-doing-on-moonclan/rmv3svwgzlxb

This post did White Damage to me, my Panic type is Breakout, and now I'm going to inflict this onto ALL OF YOU.
Thanks, I hate it.

MetaMeme
Apr 30, 2017

You may boorishly refer to it as "Pickpocketing", but I prefer "Urban Foraging".

Junpei posted:

https://at.tumblr.com/timeshark15/grrr-hisss-what-are-you-doing-on-moonclan/rmv3svwgzlxb

This post did White Damage to me, my Panic type is Breakout, and now I'm going to inflict this onto ALL OF YOU.

you're just weak this is hilarious

mercurially
May 7, 2022

Gaining back pain stacks at the speed of light!

Junpei posted:

https://at.tumblr.com/timeshark15/grrr-hisss-what-are-you-doing-on-moonclan/rmv3svwgzlxb

This post did White Damage to me, my Panic type is Breakout, and now I'm going to inflict this onto ALL OF YOU.

Not sure what I expected but it wasn't this. Stay gold, tumblr.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
So, the usual agreed upon "fall/autumn months" are September, Octover and November, and the "winter months" are December, January and February.

Limbus's release window was said to be Winter 2022. We're in November, and while we have gotten a lot more info, we don't have a concrete release date yet.

Some corners of the fanbase wonder if maybe we might have a delay with the game's release-if only by a month or two. Others think we're still on track and we'll be playing Limbus with the month-and-a-bit left until we hit New Years.

Where do you all stand? Do you think Limbus might be delayed, or not?

KobunFan
Aug 13, 2022
I'm going to make the safe bet and say delay.

MetaMeme
Apr 30, 2017

You may boorishly refer to it as "Pickpocketing", but I prefer "Urban Foraging".
think the game will be cancelled calling it now

Loxo321
Sep 28, 2021
My guess is that Limbus release date will be revealed next week which is PM's anniversary.

As for when Limbus is actually released, I'm going to go with some time in the first two weeks of December

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Well this is odd. No videos of skills or EGO, no art of Identities or Abnormalities, nothing from the Twitter-and I don't think they're protesting Muskrat's business decisions. Gearing up for a bigger announcement on the anniversary, I'd assume.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1593390147927539712

Delayed, as some were expecting. The new date is sometime in late February.

https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1593390274104815616

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Pretty predictable, honestly.

StuffyEvil
Nov 8, 2022

Poison sandwich tea party starts now
(art from @luingear on Twitter)

Infinity Gaia posted:

Pretty predictable, honestly.

Indeed, developing for 2 more platforms for the first time is a pretty big undertaking, especially since PM needs to make sure everything works properly, from balancing to appeal to general polish.

TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.





100% the first thing I thought of. :v:

KobunFan
Aug 13, 2022
I win the guessing game! My prize is... impatience! Yaaay...

StuffyEvil
Nov 8, 2022

Poison sandwich tea party starts now
(art from @luingear on Twitter)
The Distortion Detective artworks from NishikujiC is really nice at least.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!
Given that Thumb is on the brain, I have a question:

Let's say you're running a Thumb deck on Chesed's floor, and you give Torn Off Wisdom to the Thumb Deck's user.

Suppressing Shot's and Summary Judgement's Power gain via Ammo discards is locked to 1, and so is Shock Round's because of the glitch/bad coding. But let's say you used Focus Fire with 5 Ammo cards in hand and by some degree of luck, Torn Off Wisdom discards the fifth Ammo card after it goes through the four other ones. Would that give Focus Fire +5 Power?

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TeeQueue
Oct 9, 2012

The time has come. Soon, the bell shall ring. A new world will come. Rise, my servants. Rise and serve me. I am death and life. Darkness and light.
Focus Fire specifically says that it gains +1 power for every page discarded "in this way", referencing its effect.

It would get the additional effect of the 5th ammo being discarded, but not any additional Power.

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