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Kanos posted:The movies are good enough that they should always be a starting point for someone who isn't sure if they like Gundam yet, because they're a small time investment comparatively. If you end up bouncing off, you only wasted a couple hours. I'll third this, but with the proviso that I don't think the movies are entirely great on their own. I'm pretty sure I found the first two kind of boring even, because of the way they're cut and because they don't really have great conclusions due to their ending points. It's all more of a steady build in a TV show, but as movies it creates the expectation that the finale has some crescendo, and they kind of don't. They're still good as a sampler, but the third one is the only one I remember genuinely enjoying on it's own merit, so if the first two leave someone a bit cold I'd say it's still worth considering what you enjoyed about them and perhaps checking out the first episode or three of the show if there's anything there you found intriguing.
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Endorph posted:transformers also has political assassinations and unethical weapons development tbh, especially in the comics Armada/Micron Legend is "what if the unethical weapons were also little people"
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Watching Hunt for the Red October and I just found out where Murrue Ramius came from.
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IBO MS being immune to beam weaponry was good storytelling and worldbuilding.
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Gripweed posted:IBO MS being immune to beam weaponry was good storytelling and worldbuilding. I wonder how early it was planned. I remember Barbatos appearing in an early game where Nano Laminate was portrayed as 'strong against solid but weak to beam' which is funny as hell in retrospect
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ImpAtom posted:I wonder how early it was planned. I remember Barbatos appearing in an early game where Nano Laminate was portrayed as 'strong against solid but weak to beam' which is funny as hell in retrospect At a guess, it was probably something that occurred after Sunrise ordered a second season, when the writers were trying to set out what the plan for the season was and they decided they wanted to have the ghosts of the old war dug up. The show was originally only going to be one season, and presumably didn't originally feature mobile armors at all, so the exact mechanics of them, how they were fought etc, probably weren't hammered down. Once someone decided they wanted them to feature then it becomes more important to sort out.
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ImpAtom posted:I wonder how early it was planned. I remember Barbatos appearing in an early game where Nano Laminate was portrayed as 'strong against solid but weak to beam' which is funny as hell in retrospect Inversely it's really funny to play SD Gundam Crossrays  every later game stage in most of the story paths becomes a hellscape of "lmao every unit is highly resistant to beam weaponry and all your good units have beam weapons"
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Nuebot posted:Inversely it's really funny to play SD Gundam Crossrays It's Heavyarms time to shine! Alternately, Leopard Gundam. No-one even remembers Leopard though 
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tsob posted:It's Heavyarms time to shine! Alternately, Leopard Gundam. No-one even remembers Leopard though I used Astaroth Origin a lot, actually. It has a big shotgun.
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Nuebot posted:Inversely it's really funny to play SD Gundam Crossrays I played IBO for my first storyline there. taking all the units unlocked therein to say, SEED was pretty damned funny on defense...not so much on offense where Phase Shift Armor reverses the dynamic.
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tsob posted:It's Heavyarms time to shine! Alternately, Leopard Gundam. No-one even remembers Leopard though Sadly the Airmaster and the Leopard aren't in Cross Rays  Oh well there's always the next SD game
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Isn’t Leopard’s big upgrade that it ditches a bunch of the live ammo weapons for beam weapons?
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Ethiser posted:Isn’t Leopard’s big upgrade that it ditches a bunch of the live ammo weapons for beam weapons? Literally after a fight where they only win because Leopard had non-beam weapons, yes. It's very stupid.
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ninjewtsu posted:is there something keeping those food boxes from immediately flying onto the floor it's in space
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ok so after the slightest jostle from launch they're just free floating in the cockpit, or is there something actually keeping them in place? do the food boxes have like magnets on the bottom or something
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i do like the idea of needing a mid battle snack so you just grab a french fry that's floating in front of your vision
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In space they call it the 113.4g with cheese
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The scene with Homer and the chips except it's a Big Mac
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Blaze Dragon posted:Literally after a fight where they only win because Leopard had non-beam weapons, yes. It's very stupid. It's a common misconception that the Leopard only beat the Gable because it had a shell firing gatling, and that was the turning point. The normal Leopard Gundam actually uses a beam gatling as it's main weapon, not a kinetic one and the reason it beats the Gable is not because it has regular bullets, but because it has missiles and grenades. It unloads all of them on the Gable in one go, destroying the beam deflection generators on the unit's shoulders and making it vulnerable to beams. After which Roybea tells Garrod and Jamil to finish the unit, and they destroy it by hitting it with their beam guns. Roybea even fires the gatling immediately after deploying, only to have his shots bounce harmlessly off the Gable with the beam deflector activating before Jamil tells him that beams won't work. He does shoot his gatling at the Gable point blank, but only after he's shot a load of missiles at it, setting off explosions on the Gable, with the stress of hitting a target point blank eventually destroying the gatling. The unit's hands had been destroyed shortly before that when Roybea tears himself away from the Gable's hold. The Leopard Destroy still has the two large knee mounted missiles and 11 shoulder mounted missiles of the normal Leopard, so it has about as much kinetic firepower as it ever had really. It does lose the grenade launchers on the wrist, but they were only a minor weapon with a few total rounds anyway. It also possibly has kinetic rounds in the chest gatlings, but I don't think it's ever clearly stated in animation or supplementary material whether those are beam or shell weapons on either version of the Leopard.
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i believe super robot wars treats the chest gatlings as physical rounds
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ninjewtsu posted:ok so after the slightest jostle from launch they're just free floating in the cockpit, or is there something actually keeping them in place? do the food boxes have like magnets on the bottom or something They look like the same food cartons we see on ships in the shows, on a cart being pushed around by Frau for example, so I'd assume there's some light magnets in the base yeah
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I didn't know there was magnets at the bottom of the cartons in msg Does everyone have magnets on their shoes too is that why people can stand and walk
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Gripweed posted:Gundam Thunderbolt finally gives us a canonical American pilot 
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ninjewtsu posted:I didn't know there was magnets at the bottom of the cartons in msg It's never said there's magnets, I just assumed because if not what's the point of stackable cartons in space?
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It's probably Velcro not magnets, that's what I believe they use in real life space. And Magnets are strong if you're pulling against it's base, but you can slide them off the magnet just like you would to one on your fridge, if a suit was smashed by a Zaku all the stuff could go flying.
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jackhunter64 posted:Unicorn beat them to it. I just noticed the Calorie Mate
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Gaius Marius posted:I just noticed the Calorie Mate I'm the massive bottle that says 'Poppers'
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ninjewtsu posted:I didn't know there was magnets at the bottom of the cartons in msg The novels say that Zeon soldiers have velcro on the soles of their boots to mesh with velcro on the floor of Musais, so a lot of other ships on one or both sides presumably use velcro too, but there's mention of magnets making a "pleasant clicking sound" when a character walks on the bridge of the Pegasus II as well. So magnets are presumably a more modern way of doing it. Or possibly it's how the Federation allows soldiers to stay solidly connected to the "floor" in space, while Zeon use velcro. It's worth mentioning for context that the main ship for the novels is a White Base class ship called the Pegasus, rather than a Pegasus class ship called the White Base. God knows why Tomino decided to make that change, but he did. The first Pegasus is irreparably damaged during the battle on Texas Colony at the end of the first novel, and is replaced with a Pegasus II during the second novel.
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jackhunter64 posted:Unicorn beat them to it. Naturally the American pilot has a bunch of food on his cockpit, is stationed in Wyoming and drives the chonkiest of the chonk, a Gustav Karl.
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Arc Hammer posted:is stationed in Wyoming I think it's Colorado
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Vord posted:I think it's Colorado Cheyenne Base is in Wyoming
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Arc Hammer posted:Cheyenne Base is in Wyoming But aren't they at norad in Cheyenne mountain? I thought that was in Colorado. They even showed the entrance to it which I recognized from far to many episodes of stargate.
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Vord posted:But aren't they at norad in Cheyenne mountain? I thought that was in Colorado. They even showed the entrance to it which I recognized from far to many episodes of stargate. It's meant to be the same base that Amuro worked at in Zeta Gundam. I could be remembering wrong but I think they mention it being in Wyoming in one episode.
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