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Boris would be the funniest choice but unfortunately for him I think Liz imploded faster than expected and not enough time has passed for him to return as he wants to. If she had managed to New Year I would put money on it, but right now I just don't see it happening.
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Yo hobo you don't know how ges or PM's work We had this whole thing play out in the summer right before Boris resigned, because Boris repeatedly threatened an election, and the Big Book Of How To Not Get Decapitated in the palace says the monarch *will* say no to a general election if the PM's party is unwilling to back them up. The palace went as far as briefing the papers that if the PM came round then 'Ermaj Godsrester Liz2! wouldve said "nah". Unless you're operating under the assumption that Charles is massively anti-tory then it's pretty obvious any attempt Liz truss made would've been met with "no, I think you should do it and not drag me into your stupid bullshit". any mp can call for a general election whenever they want, if commons will agree with them. This is a Liz truss problem that will be fixed by Liz truss loving off. Again, we already did this, four months ago. This is not to say that it should be this way. Just because a presidentified understanding of the UK makes the entire Westminster system permanently unworkable doesn't mean that both things haven't already happened. It's just that if we start admitting that we need to build a system with an elected head of state, to match how most voters think the system we have works, then that requires getting rid of the monarchy. Somehow I don't think the palace will be the ones to start that ball rolling. They are pretty much the only people with a vested interest in how the system is supposed to work!
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Nominations by Monday, threshold 50+, online ballots for members being discussed per Sky News How secure do we think the online voting will be? Be fun to  to vote and bring in the funniest possible choice.
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Pleasant Friend posted:Is my uninformed impression that Liz Truss got turfed for enacting the hard-right policies that she had to endorse to win the conservative Tory leadership ballot true? Yeah essentially she did exactly what she said she would do, it crashed the economy, she then fired the Chancellor who did what she had told him to do, and then just spiraled for two weeks.
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Ziggy Tzardust posted:Kemi Badenoch by far. She's an actual lunatic I ‘knew’ her when we both worked at Coutts in the noughties (I did/ran security, not banking) - she was hated by every single ‘below stairs’ type and was a bloody nightmare.
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Pleasant Friend posted:Is my uninformed impression that Liz Truss got turfed for enacting the hard-right policies that she had to endorse to win the conservative Tory leadership ballot true? I think there was a reasonably widespread assumption that she wouldn't be stupid enough to actually do most of the things she was saying in the leadership race. On the basis that a lettuce could figure out that policies popular with the 80k Tory membership voters would go down like a bucket of cold sick with the wider electorate.
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EvilHawk posted:Yeah essentially she did exactly what she said she would do, it crashed the economy, she then fired the Chancellor who did what she had told him to do, and then just spiraled for two weeks. So are the Tories hoping to force a moderate or something now? Or is there nothing to stop the next pick from also having to promise to be as dumb as Truss to get the pick?
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Camrath posted:she was hated by every single ‘below stairs’ type and was a bloody nightmare. Could surely infer this about any tory.
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Boris is definitely not coming back. He partied while granny died, and lied multiple times, upto the lie that got him pushed out. There is no way to spin him back without massive blowback from everyone, even some tory voters.
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Nilbop posted:Now I'm wondering does this affect the deadline established for Stormont and does this mean we avoid another potential election in Northern Ireland. I don't know if this has been answered, but I don't think so. The deadline of the 28th of October for NI is established in legislation. If they don't have a government up and running by then, the plug is pulled and an election is mandated to occur.
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Pleasant Friend posted:So is the Tories hoping to force a moderate or something now? Or is there nothing to stop the next pick from also having to promise to be as dumb as Truss to get the pick? It is much more likely that they go even further insane.
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What slogans would get Nadine Dorries in? "Nadine Next!" "Dorries'll Do It!" She is the hero this cuntry deserves.
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Let's say all this (Boris resigning, Liz Truss PM, mini-budget proposed) had happened pre-COVD/Russian energy crisis. Do you think everything would have played out the same way? From the outside I imagine the mini-budget fell on its face only because of how bad things are going already.
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Camrath posted:I ‘knew’ her when we both worked at Coutts in the noughties (I did/ran security, not banking) - she was hated by every single ‘below stairs’ type and was a bloody nightmare. A perfect choice! Restart the clock gentlemen. We have a new contender.
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Crackbone posted:Let's say all this (Boris resigning, Liz Truss PM, mini-budget proposed) had happened pre-COVD/Russian energy crisis. Do you think everything would have played out the same way? From the outside I imagine the mini-budget fell on its face only because of how bad things are going already. Essentially everything would have played out the same except for swap Covid/Ukraine, for Blair's Labour as the excuse
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Boris won't become PM. Far too soon. He'll wait until 2024 to become PM and lead the tories to the election.
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Skull Servant posted:Boris would be the funniest choice but unfortunately for him I think Liz imploded faster than expected and not enough time has passed for him to return as he wants to. If she had managed to New Year I would put money on it, but right now I just don't see it happening. Seems like we had some pretty extreme time dilation that made this last week feel like several months though. Only actually been six days since Kwasi Kwarteng was sacked.
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happyhippy posted:Boris is definitely not coming back. the graun posted:When offered the choice of Johnson still being in No 10, or Truss taking over, some 63% of Tory members said they would prefer Johnson to be still in charge against 22% who wanted Truss. Even more starkly, 68% said they would prefer to still have Johnson than see him replaced by Sunak, who was preferred by just 19%. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/13/poll-of-tory-members-gives-liz-truss-22-point-lead-to-be-next-prime-minister
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Can Liz Truss run again in the election? Just for comedy.
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there is no other candidate running who has that kind of pull with the members, only off ramp is if they somehow engineer him off the ballot before that stage just the fact that there is a member vote at all will be influencing MPs looking to back the winner Rustybear fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Oct 20, 2022 |
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Pleasant Friend posted:So are the Tories hoping to force a moderate or something now? Or is there nothing to stop the next pick from also having to promise to be as dumb as Truss to get the pick? They could only manage this if the top two candidates the MPs vote for are both moderates, which would be feasible if they were smart about it and not a bunch of self-serving ghouls and morons. They'll end up stabbing each other in the back and put foward a moderate and an extremist, or two extremists.
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Rustybear posted:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/13/poll-of-tory-members-gives-liz-truss-22-point-lead-to-be-next-prime-minister looool if he's in it he's win it
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lol deep burn https://twitter.com/wariotifo/status/1582745463799033856
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The Question IRL posted:I don't know if this has been answered, but I don't think so. The deadline of the 28th of October for NI is established in legislation. If they don't have a government up and running by then, the plug is pulled and an election is mandated to occur. It can be kicked back by the NI Secretary though, right? Unsure if the assumed interim Secretary has the authority to push it back, but assuming that the new PM has their Cabinet set up by this day next week it might be possible to delay. If the legislation you mean is something specific that was introduced this week then never mind, must have missed it. Speaking of NI, I haven't seen any polling but I assume little is going to change? The DUP being more organized now might draw back some of the votes they lost to TUV, but I can't imagine them topping the poll again. I think the defectors to Alliance might be harder to win back. 2016/2017 again!
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Boris is the choice of the membership, no doubt. His issue is that he is so hated by MPs that it's very unlikely he's allowed through. Definitely hoping I'm wrong about that though, as Boris coming back dooms the Tories almost as hard as if Truss had stayed. Also it would be funny as gently caress.
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Antigravitas posted:Can Liz Truss run again in the election? Just for comedy. I mean, sure, she could in the sense it isn't against the rules, but she'd be wasting her time as she won't get enough nominations from MPs. In 1995 John Major resigned as PM to force a leadership election because the Tories were in a shambles. He then ran as a candidate & resoundingly beat John Redwood, who was the head of the howling lunatics who became the ERG
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Noxville posted:Seems like we had some pretty extreme time dilation that made this last week feel like several months though. Only actually been six days since Kwasi Kwarteng was sacked. gently caress me. Nevermind, there is a non-zero chance of this happening now. It feels like an eternity since the Conservative conference now.
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:Could surely infer this about any tory. Sadly not. I’ve known Tory councillors, MPs and even peers who are absolutely lovely people socially. Like if you didn’t consider the politics they supported you’d think they were lovely, warm kind friendly people. And frankly most people don’t. I think that’s one of the most dangerous things about them tbh.
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Da Share Z0ne comes out swinging https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/1583104941908164608?t=jRrBscPq17o_upZF8Jqe_g&s=19
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Chinese Gordon posted:Boris is the choice of the membership, no doubt. His issue is that he is so hated by MPs that it's very unlikely he's allowed through. Definitely hoping I'm wrong about that though, as Boris coming back dooms the Tories almost as hard as if Truss had stayed. Also it would be funny as gently caress. Boris wins then has to resign after the standards committee ruling that he lied to Parliament comes down.
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Chinese Gordon posted:Boris is the choice of the membership, no doubt. His issue is that he is so hated by MPs that it's very unlikely he's allowed through. Definitely hoping I'm wrong about that though, as Boris coming back dooms the Tories almost as hard as if Truss had stayed. Also it would be funny as gently caress. Didn't he gently caress them over as much as he did everyone else? Is his particular brand of trolling that popular?
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Crackbone posted:Let's say all this (Boris resigning, Liz Truss PM, mini-budget proposed) had happened pre-COVD/Russian energy crisis. Do you think everything would have played out the same way? From the outside I imagine the mini-budget fell on its face only because of how bad things are going already. That’s true in a trivial sense, the problem specifically with the mini-budget was that it was doing the opposite of the thing the Bank of England was recommending. The Bank wanted to get inflation under control and so was recommending reducing borrowing, the mini budget was a massive increase in borrowing. So sure, if this happened in a time where the Bank of England wasn’t recommending the exact opposite thing then it wouldn’t have collapsed the government. But I’m not sure that’s a particularly useful observation.
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Oh hey, Netflix released the trailer for season 5 of the Crown, the final season. A pity the show won't cover the last two months and Charlie taking the crown.
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Chinese Gordon posted:Boris is the choice of the membership, no doubt. His issue is that he is so hated by MPs that it's very unlikely he's allowed through. Definitely hoping I'm wrong about that though, as Boris coming back dooms the Tories almost as hard as if Truss had stayed. Also it would be funny as gently caress. 100% but aside from his sardaukar there will be a lot of other MPs looking to jump on the winners bandwagon early, if he builds any momentum it's done it's been decisively proven that the members hate rishi, why back him when he probably loses to whatever rando he faces in the final round anyway
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forkboy84 posted:I mean, sure, she could in the sense it isn't against the rules, "Nobody who just resigned" was in the rules for Boris right? and if they want this done by the 28th as they're claiming they aren't about to gently caress around. Any rule changes they make will be quick hack jobs targeted at specific people, so "no ex PM's" might happen
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peanut- posted:Boris wins then has to resign after the standards committee ruling that he lied to Parliament comes down. Just lol if you think he would resign over that. Like I said, though, it's unlikely he has the support among MPs to make a comeback. Though his odds *are* shortening dramatically, per Oddschecker...
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Chinese Gordon posted:Just lol if you think he would resign over that. I had this really weird urge to place a bet on Boris being PM again by the end of the year, way back when the odds were absurdly long I literally never place bets, it never usually even occurs to me. I should've listened to my subconscious, I could be (worthless) quids in!!
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massive spider posted:Be difficult to see how MPs work with Boris as he returns to office still with their knives hanging out his back like an unkillable slasher movie villain. The most appropriate Halloween PM.
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Barry Foster posted:I had this really weird urge to place a bet on Boris being PM again by the end of the year, way back when the odds were absurdly long Same, I think it was 20/1 when I looked and I’ve been telling anyone who’d listen that Boris is gonna come in to sweep up the mess that Truss makes since before she actually beat Sunak.
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drunkill posted:Oh hey, Netflix released the trailer for season 5 of the Crown, the final season. There's one more season planned after this. Though I wonder if they'll extend it further since there's now a natural ending point.
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