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RTD is great at schlocky bombastic dime novel sci-fi, and I'm here for it. I just hope he doesn't get stuck in a "THE STAKES FOR EACH SEASON FINALE MUST BE HIGHER THAN LAST TIME" loop again. I'm also going to be interested to see his LGBTQI+ representation, particularly with Ncuti as his Doctor, now that we're in 2022 and how that plays out onscreen.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Do we know this, or is this just a theory? We know the “twist ending” part based on what Chibnall and McTighe have said about writing the episode. I recall following a link to an interview from whatever Who thread was active here at the time. The rest is my interpretation coupled with the ways in which the episode’s “twist” sits so uncomfortably with all the other work it is clearly doing, including relating workers to robots and presenting even the AI as a victim, while refusing to give us a human figure like in Arachnids in the UK to hate. There’s still a muddled message given the decision to equate the AI with the “system,” but it’d work OK if it turned out the AI was following twisted programming while desperately trying to get someone to stop it. Obviously, neither writer was very committed to that message given the willingness to abandon it completely in order to make their twist ending work. But you don’t start with a story about how capitalism is good if you just treat workers better and end up with this big of a muddle; if you change the ending, why would you then add in criticism that conflicts with the ending?
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I forgot there was an Easter Special this year, so I've just watched Legend of the Sea Devils. I wanna say... par for the course for Chibnall. Just really middling. *Ji-Hun kills a Sea Devil that has literally been imprisoning him for centuries, and was actively trying to kill him in a sword fight* Doctor "There was no reason to kill him!"  Doc... you literally just met Ji-Hun 5 seconds ago, it's weird to impart your way of doing things on him. Then Dan kills like 3-4 Sea Devils with a sword in the next scene... just.. ARGH frustrating writing Madam Ching also felt weirdly underutilised. You could have removed her and inserted Generic Pirate and it wouldn't have made a lick of difference to the plot. I will say the last 5min with Yaz + Doc discussing their feelings on the beach was.. actually really great and seeing the Doctor despondent about her relationships felt really humanising Though I will say outside of that scene the entire episode felt weirdly edited and disjointed, and was obvious in several scenes the characters were playing to the camera rather than an actor. Going to guess Covid played a part in the production on this one "No ship, sherlock" (Yeah alright I'll pay that one as well)
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Madam Ching is such a fascinating character and making her almost entirely incidental in the episode was such a wasted opportunity. If I remember right, the Sea Devil suit was a disaster to work with and the editing had to chop the episode enormously to try and get any remotely workable footage out of what they shot with it.
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"Don't let the swords touch your skin!" Hey, you think? Infinitum posted:Though I will say outside of that scene the entire episode felt weirdly edited and disjointed, and was obvious in several scenes the characters were playing to the camera rather than an actor. Going to guess Covid played a part in the production on this one The rumour I heard was that the decision was made to re-edit all the scenes in China at the start, for cultural sensitivity reasons. If you believe the rumour, they also had the Chinese actors redub the entirety of their dialogue to remove them doing an accent (which is why you rarely ever see their mouths moving on screen). Sounds about right tbh.
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It def looked like they were using CGI morphing to make the mouth move a lot.Jerusalem posted:Madam Ching is such a fascinating character and making her almost entirely incidental in the episode was such a wasted opportunity. Right? Like I knew of Madam Ching through just general knowledge osmosis, but if you're going to be introducing historical figures you should DO something with them. The only impression kids are going to get is that she must be a pretty lovely Pirate Queen if all her crew got captured for ransom. Especially when you have had multiple eps in Chibnal+Whittakers run showcasing strong women in history, it did her a disservice.
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Jerusalem posted:Dalek 1: DALEKS DO NOT FALL IN LOVE! Reminds me of these brilliant videos. https://youtu.be/bf_lh7Gi7yA https://youtu.be/_FiT5U1rWmo https://youtu.be/FZADkls2ntc https://youtu.be/OB1xjb_e4Y0 “WE HAVE REPLACED OUR PEW-PEW WITH A RATTA-TAT-TAT. AND IT CANNOT. POSSIBLY. MISS. RATTA-TATTA-TATTA-TATTA!”
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Lord Ludikrous posted:Reminds me of these brilliant videos. Never seen these before, amazing. "I'll teach you for giving me a night of quality entertainment!"
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One of those times where two of my interests collide  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ISjUtRUyy4 And oddly enough, the first ever minis I painted waaaaaaay back in the day, were from this set, released in 1987 (so long before RTD ever got the idea to have them fighting on screen):  I used enamel paints (silver for Cybermen, gold for Daleks), had absolutely no idea what I was doing, and got into a hobby that has stuck with me pretty much to the present day.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:One of those times where two of my interests collide Long before RTD was able to broadcast them fighting on screen. I have to assume he'd been wanting that for decades.
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Dabir posted:Long before RTD was able to broadcast them fighting on screen. I have to assume he'd been wanting that for decades. Good point! No idea if RTD got the idea from that set of minis, but it wouldn't surprise me if he saw the box sitting somewhere one day in the late 1980s and got inspired.
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Latest batch of books turned up. The top left isn’t in great condition but it’s 42 years old and was much cheaper than the others so not going to complain. Also due to having an immature sense of humour I always giggle when these work on cover art.  I’ve made a start on The Dalek Invasion of Earth and it’s considerably more faithful to its television serial than The Daleks was, I expect because by this point books were being regularly released and it is much later in the overall lore. In fact I think it’s perhaps too faithful to the TV serial; it hasn’t so far really taken any of the advantages that books offer. The Daleks, despite some odd changes to the start of the story and being hamstrung by being told from Ian’s perspective, took the opportunity to depict things not possible on the shows budget at the time; the desperate escape from the Dalek city, fighting mutated monsters at the lake, and a massive control room with a glass Dalek running the show. I’m just about to start the chapter where the rebels attack the Dalek spaceship, and the changes I’ve seen so far are mainly things like minor changes to dialogue. There’s actually a noticeable lack of detail in general. The Doctor and Ian comment on how the Daleks look slightly different to how they looked on Skaro; exactly what these differences are isn’t elaborated on and in fact the Daleks don’t get described at all. Now I know just about everyone knows what Daleks look like but come on. The famous IT IS FORBIDDEN TO DUMP BODIES IN THE RIVER poster is omitted entirely, which is baffling given how iconic it is. The scene where the Dalek rises out of the river Thames is succinctly summarised; no attempt is made to express the surprise and horror of a Dalek emerging from the water, it’s basically “they ran to the river side and a Dalek rose out of the water. Chapter end.” I’ve not finished it yet so I can’t judge it too harshly (and to be fair it’s not bad, just not that imaginative), but I do hope the other books I’ve acquired do make some attempt to harness the advantages the book offers. The size of The Cybermen, considering it’s based off a 4 parter looks especially promising in this regard. I do love the cover art style on all these books.
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If you’re interested in books which improve on the original stories, see if you can get hold of Remembrance of the Daleks and The Curse of Fenric - both are excellent expanded novelizations!
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Most Target books don't stray too far from the televised episodes. Another great one that does though is Ghost Light. Written by the episode author as he intended, it actually gets the story to make sense, and really expands on it and makes it much more atmospheric and cool.
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Doctor Who and the Cybernyan
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Lord Ludikrous posted:books Are you in the US? If so I can send you some stuff Zaroff posted:If you’re interested in books which improve on the original stories, see if you can get hold of Remembrance of the Daleks and The Curse of Fenric - both are excellent expanded novelizations! I think I have both of these, I've definitely got Remembrance. Edit: actually, just had a look in the attic and I can't find either of them... I definitely had Remembrance at one point Unkempt fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Oct 19, 2022 |
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Marc Platt's version of Battlefield as well.
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Coward posted:Doctor Who and the Cybernyan Okay first, goddamn you And second, bravo
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Rhyno posted:Okay first, goddamn you Just realised it could've been Doctor Mew.
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By not officially resigning until next week, Truss narrowly escapes being the only Prime Minister since the show started to not have an episode air during her tenure.
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The 10th Doctor narrows his eyes as he looks at Truss. 10: Doesn't she look a bit.... Entire Population of the Planet Earth: ....a bit poo poo, yeah we know.
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OH! That’s what it looks like with the lights on! https://twitter.com/beer_can_batman/status/1582361710513385472
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"Ooh, the hexagon things! I love the hexagon things!" "What are the hexagon things?" "I have no idea."
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The_Doctor posted:OH! That’s what it looks like with the lights on! It looks like it's made of candy, or those semi-transparent soft plastic decorations you put on presents
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poo poo, it somehow looks worse. edit: haha, that's probably why they shoot in low light.
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The detailing around the edge of the platform has big CBBC energy
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"let's give one of the most colourful Doctors the blandest TARDIS"
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Liz Truss: I'm Liz Truss, former Prime Minister. Daleks: ......WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO YOU ARE! The_Doctor posted:OH! That’s what it looks like with the lights on! It's not good by any means, but I actually prefer this to the dark, uninviting way it's shown in the show itself. The finger pillars suck under any lighting conditions at all though.
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Jerusalem posted:The 10th Doctor narrows his eyes as he looks at Truss. "Doesn't she look a bit wilted?"
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The_Doctor posted:OH! That’s what it looks like with the lights on! It reminds me of the Timelash a bit, somehow
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Jerusalem posted:The 10th Doctor narrows his eyes as he looks at Truss. She didn't even have time to get tired!
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